December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: doubleclick monitoring web browsing habits
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 14 Jun 96 at 18:06, Mark M. wrote: [..] > but it is not enough to satisfy my paranoia. I would be truely satisfied if > Netscape would prompt for an e-mail address whenever it sends mail or post to > usenet. When I used to read the list over hks.net (still down, eh?) I would change my name (and sometimes address, for quasi-anonymity) with no problems... you just have to do that *before* you try to reply. (Free)Agent newsreader will let you do that as part of the reply as well. It'll still show the path and machine that sent news, but it allows you to change From:, Reply-To: and Sender: fields. Rob. --- No-frills sig. Befriend my mail filter by sending a message with the subject "send help" Key-ID: 5D3F2E99 1996/04/22 wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com (root@magneto) AB1F4831 1993/05/10 Deranged Mutant <wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com> Send a message with the subject "send pgp-key" for a copy of my key.

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Re: [noise] (was Re: PBS show)
by AwakenToMe＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Now what is actually (in depth pleaseeee) protected and real mode? Has there been any talk of intel possibly fixing this conventional mem problem in future chips????? Thanks.. Adam

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Trits
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

As a complement to Jim Choate's forward on the "trits" communication research, we suggest perusing an interview of the philosopher Paul Virilio. Here're are excerpts from the interview available at: http://pwp.usa.pipeline.com/~jya/silence.txt PAUL VIRILIO: I have to take a detour through physics here, and this is one of the differences between and Baudrillard and myself. Unlike him, I have a formal scientific education (that's why physics and military sciences kept me busy for a very long time). In the past, reality was a matter of mass; then it became mass + force. Today, reality is the outcome of: mass + force + information. Matter has now become truly three-dimensional. This is a clear break. What we have witnessed in Italy, with Berlusconi seizing power, is the first successful media-coup in history. Italy is again Europe's avant-garde, and is showing us where the new political alternative resides - in a realm where "left" or "right" are no longer relevant. The new political alternative is between the old political class on one side, and the new media-class on the other. With Italy, the media-class has now seized power in Europe. It will also happen in the United States, in France, in Spain, and elsewhere. CARLOS OLIVEIRA: Do you see some kind of media-fascism looming on the horizon? PAUL VIRILIO: No, because what I see is far worse! Due to its overwhelming power, the totalitarianism of the information-medium is going to be even more powerful than the traditional political totalitarianism of the old national-socialist or communist hues. The dangers are looming larger. I repeat: only if one is guarded against its dangers will it be possible to enjoy the positive aspects of the developments in the realm of new technologies. CARLOS OLIVEIRA: In your eyes, is there any way out of this rather bleak situation? PAUL VIRILIO: An accompanying evil here is the end of writing, as it unfolds through image technology, cinema/film, and television-screen. These new developments threaten the ability to conjure up mental images with oblivion. The typical modern human is characterized by a life under the dictatorship of the screen, to which the written word falls victim. We don't read any more, we hardly write each other - since we can call each other on the phone. Next, we will no longer speak! I'd really like to say: this will indeed be the silence of the lambs!

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Re: Fuseable Links - no guarantees??
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:44 PM 6/14/96 -0400, Warren wrote: >I have never paid much attention to the protection of firmware or the >technical issues revolving around such schemes...was wondering: > >I recently saw an add for a UK based group that says they can take a PIC >OTP micro and read the prom (for a fee, of course) - How the heck is this >done?? I have my suspicion that they (somehow) magically peel off the >ceramic coating (without destroying the chewy center), get a circuit mask >and 'micro probe' the I/O of the IC...they then download the secret recipe >to the afore mentioned 'chewy center'. > >Is this close to accurate?? How is it 'done' ??? While I have never come even close to needing to attempt this kind of thing, long ago it occurred to me that if the "no read" bit was stored in a programmable bit, and if the location of that bit was known or could be identified, you could expose that particular bit through a tiny mask hole and cause the part to be readable again. Locating that bit (assuming there's just one) would be relatively simple: Take a test part, program it, read-lock it, and then expose it to a VERY slowly sliding mask with UV behind. Do this for both axes, to find the bit's location on the chip. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Fuseable Links - no guarantees??
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:46 PM 6/15/96 -0400, Warren wrote: >Jim; > > I was under the impression that a fuseable link was literally a >piece of conductive material that you deliberatley 'blow-away' - In most >cases, couldn't you simply 'tap into' the data side of the fuse, and >download the info?? If it really is a "fusible link," that usually means a fuse, analogous to the much larger kinds used for circuit protection. There are also "anti-fuses" which are high-resistance silicon links which on the application of a relatively high voltage, become low-resistance. However, besides this, there is the typical EPROM-type cell, which can be programmed but not erased electrically. (I'm ignoring cells like EEPROM which are designed and constructed to be electrically erased.) As long as the chip contains most of its information in EPROM, that means that the chip was fabbed with a EPROM-compatible process, so they'd be more likely to include read-protection in EPROM as well. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Fuseable Links - no guarantees??
by wxfield＠shore.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim; I was under the impression that a fuseable link was literally a piece of conductive material that you deliberatley 'blow-away' - In most cases, couldn't you simply 'tap into' the data side of the fuse, and download the info?? >At 11:44 PM 6/14/96 -0400, Warren wrote: >>I have never paid much attention to the protection of firmware or the >>technical issues revolving around such schemes...was wondering: >> >>I recently saw an add for a UK based group that says they can take a PIC >>OTP micro and read the prom (for a fee, of course) - How the heck is this >>done?? I have my suspicion that they (somehow) magically peel off the >>ceramic coating (without destroying the chewy center), get a circuit mask >>and 'micro probe' the I/O of the IC...they then download the secret recipe >>to the afore mentioned 'chewy center'. >> >>Is this close to accurate?? How is it 'done' ??? > > >While I have never come even close to needing to attempt this kind of thing, >long ago it occurred to me that if the "no read" bit was stored in a >programmable bit, and if the location of that bit was known or could be >identified, you could expose that particular bit through a tiny mask hole >and cause the part to be readable again. Locating that bit (assuming >there's just one) would be relatively simple: Take a test part, program it, >read-lock it, and then expose it to a VERY slowly sliding mask with UV >behind. Do this for both axes, to find the bit's location on the chip. > >Jim Bell >jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re:
by Blake Wehlage 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:33 AM 6/15/96 -0400, Michael Camp wrote: > >I just subscribed and what the hey is pgp. Pretty good privacy? > > >-Think global, act local, recycle! >Michael Camp >a037716t(a)bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us > > > > Good thinking swiffty Blake Wehlage <jwilk(a)iglou.com> URL: http://www.iglou.com/members/jwilk.html "World's Youngest Cypherpunk" Age 13

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pretty good reputation
by Vipul Ved Prakash 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

a pretty good detour. by what i understand pgp's "web of trust" scheme has flaws. according to pgp (alice trusts jane, jane trusts snoopy, bob trusts alice) implies bob trusts snoopy. this means that alice trusts jane to the extent, that if jane trusts a third person, then a fourth person who trusts alice automatically trusts that third person. deducing such results from a simple shades of trust system cannot lead to a reliable web of trust. thats common sense. what is required is a reputation system wherein trust is _qualified_ rather than _quantified_. its senseless to say i trust him five units. it will be more appropriate if pgp has a separate tag for "type of trust" or something like that. this kind of thing can be difficult to handle, since it a fuzzy parameter. add to the problem a global-system like internet where all communication is not person to person. i was wondering if there are any working mathematical models for reputation systems, and how successful they are. vipul ved prakash

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[Noise] Re: Clinton Backs Internet 'Decency Act'
by Joseph M. Reagle Jr. 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:35 AM 6/14/96 -0700, you wrote: >This is also at odds with what Clinton said. The full text of the statement >is available on whitehouse.gov, among other places. I don't see how necessarily. (1) He supports the bill, and (2) he thinks the bill is within the realm of constitutionality, his statement is rather weak, but I think if you take the two points above, their summation is obvious and _is_ contrary to the bravado of Gore's MIT commencement speech. This is not to say he could very well back off to save face, which is what he is starting to do, and I hope he continues to do... Statement by President Clinton in reaction to Court Decision THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary ___________________________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release June 12, 1996 STATEMENT BY THE PRESIDENT The Justice Department is reviewing today's three judge panel court decision on the Communications Decency Act. The opinion just came down today, and the statute says we have twenty days to make an appeal. I remain convinced, as I was when I signed the bill, that our Constitution allows us to help parents by enforcing this Act to prevent children from being exposed to objectionable material transmitted though computer networks. I will continue to do everything I can in my Administration to give families every available tool to protect their children from these materials. For example, we vigorously support the development and widespread availability of products that allow both parents and schools to block objectionable materials from reaching computers that children use. And we also support the industry's accelerating efforts to rate Internet sites so that they are compatible with these blocking techniques. -30-30-30- _______________________ Regards, Democracy is where you can say what you think even if you don't think. -? Joseph Reagle http://rpcp.mit.edu/~reagle/home.html reagle(a)mit.edu E0 D5 B2 05 B6 12 DA 65 BE 4D E3 C1 6A 66 25 4E

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Re: Remailer Operator Liability?
by David Rosoff 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 10.18 AM 6/15/96 -0400, Declan B. McCullagh wrote: >Excerpts from internet.cypherpunks: 15-Jun-96 Re: Remailer Operator >Liabi.. by Zed(a)zeta.org.au >> distributed to a minor who was using a nym. I think pressure on anonymous >> remailers is going to increase as various groups complain that the paw >> innocent widdle kiddies are "vulnerable to corruption"(or some bullshit like >> that) because their age can be hidden. Read the decision. The CDA _may_ be > >This is true. Yesterday evening I interviewed the director of >enforcement for a TLA here in DC. He expressed his concern about >anonymous remailers and anonymity online. (More on this later.) > >The word here in DC is "accountability." > >-Declan Am I the only one who thinks that any kid who is competent enough and smart enough to use a nym will not only 1) not be warped or corrupted by the horrible porno demons but also 2) won't even care about porno? =============================================================================== David Rosoff (nihongo o chiisaku dekimasu) -------------> drosoff(a)arc.unm.edu For PGP key 0xD37692F9, finger drosoff(a)acoma.arc.unm.edu or get from keyservers pub 1024/D37692F9 1995/07/01 David Rosoff <drosoff(a)arc.unm.edu> Key fingerprint = 25 7D AA 01 85 41 43 89 50 5A 33 76 F1 F1 99 67 I accept anonymous mail. If I didn't sign it, you don't know I wrote it. === "Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will / To strive, to seek, to find-- and not to yield." <---- "Ulysses", by Alfred, Lord Tennyson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMcMI4xguzHDTdpL5AQHSUQQAo0YJvapyiC5r2eoY5BDaEEf164zxE+ub JUw807Ovtsg0SSoyESHOAyO4S8usq4dV8JVJRlmGitAo+p9BJPWe8UYX8u4LU9se LZoCOkgwomRLdLL4D4/3ALaT/qanTpuJ/NelxGN7871+jSA6qiuL8nSLdTiU3zL8 YHaWo7z1nNI= =m9F9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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