December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Fwd: [Fwd: Welcome!]
by Chris Adams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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INFO: Discuss crypto with Sen. Burns online the night before hearings!
by Voters Telecommunications Watch 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

============================================================================= ____ _ _ _ / ___|_ __ _ _ _ __ | |_ ___ | \ | | _____ _____ | | | '__| | | | '_ \| __/ _ \ _____| \| |/ _ \ \ /\ / / __| | |___| | | |_| | |_) | || (_) |_____| |\ | __/\ V V /\__ \ \____|_| \__, | .__/ \__\___/ |_| \_|\___| \_/\_/ |___/ |___/|_| CRYPTO HEARINGS (S.1726) SET FOR 6/12/96 IN WASHINGTON D.C. MEET AND SPEAK TO SENATOR BURNS ON HOTWIRED THE NIGHT BEFORE! SEN. CONRAD BURNS (R-MT) SCHEDULED FOR HOTWIRED CHAT 6/11/96 10-11PM EST Date: June 7, 1996 URL:http://www.crypto.com/ crypto-news(a)panix.com If you redistribute this, please do so in its entirety, with the banner intact. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Table of Contents News Press Release on Hearings How to receive crypto-news Press contacts ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- NEWS In what is becoming the newest way for Congress to read the net.community's opinion on issues, Senator Conrad Burns will be on HotWired on June 11th @ 10pm EST to discuss the encryption issue with all attendees. The next day, Senator Burns will be coordinating a day of hearings on the encryption issues with industry luminaries. Never before has the public had this much access to legislators without geographical proximity. Cheaper than teleconferencing, and more direct and unfiltered than the traditional press, online chats allow the public to directly question and hear the answers of Congress. Have a question about encryption policy that you've never been able to find out from the government? Come to the HotWired chat and ask Senator Burns to be your advocate, to press the witnesses and the White House on these issues. The online chat is on June 11 at 10pm EST, the night before the hearings HotWired's WiredSide chat is at (http://www.hotwired.com/wiredside) Information on Senator Burns' legislation is available at http://www.crypto.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- PRESS RELEASE ON HEARINGS Senator Conrad Burns (R-Mont.) WEB SITE http://www.senate.gov/~burns/ For immediate release: Contact: Matt Raymond Thursday, June 6, 1996 (202) 224-8150 Randall Popelka (202) 224-6137 First Pro-CODE Hearing Slated Burns' Subcommittee to Hear High-Profile Executives, Witnesses WASHINGTON, D.C. _ Montana Senator Conrad Burns today announced the first of two Senate hearings on S. 1726, the Promotion of Commerce Online in the Digital Era Act of 1996, or "Pro-CODE." The hearing will take place in the Commerce Subcommittee on Science, Technology and Space, of which Burns is chairman. The hearing is scheduled Wednesday, June 12, at 9:30 a.m. in room 253 of the Russell Senate Office Building. Scheduled to testify are: Michael Zisman, president and CEO of Lotus; Jim Barksdale, president and CEO of Netscape Communications; Jim Bidzos, president and CEO of RSA Data Security; Tim Krauskopf, V.P. and co-founder of Spyglass Inc.; Kenneth Dam, chairman of the National Research Council; Douglas J. McGowan, director of the SmartCard Alliance for Hewlett-Packard; Computer Systems Policy Project representative (invited); Joe Holmes, chief technology officer for EDS; Joel S. Lisker, senior V.P. for security and risk management at MasterCard; Danne Buchanan, president of Zion's Data Services Company; Jack Valenti, executive director of the Motion Picture Association of America; Aharon Friedman, chairman, founder and chief technical officer of Digital Secured Networks Technology Inc.; Steve Case, president and CEO of America Online (invited); and Robert Bigomy, senior V.P. and director of strategic marketing, government and space technology group, for Motorola. Burns said the focus of the hearing is on commerce and business issues. He said a second hearing, which will focus on privacy, law enforcement and national security issues, is scheduled in his subcommittee on June 26. The bipartisan Pro-CODE bill would ease export restrictions on computer security, or "encryption," for software and hardware. It would also prohibit mandatory systems in which users or companies would have to place a code-breaking "key" in the hands of a third party. # # # ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- HOW TO RECEIVE CRYPTO-NEWS To subscribe to crypto-news, sign up from our WWW page (http://www.crypto.com) or send mail to majordomo(a)panix.com with "subscribe crypto-news" in the body of the message. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- PRESS CONTACT INFORMATION Press inquiries on Crypto-News should be directed to Shabbir J. Safdar (VTW) at +1.718.596.2851 or shabbir(a)vtw.org Jonah Seiger (CDT) at +1.202.637.9800 or jseiger(a)cdt.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- End crypto-news =============================================================================

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Thank you for the Archives 100 messages
by qut4.qut＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Apologies, but rich has deleted me from his mailboxes, and for a few days now, somebody has placed a global cancel bot on me. I'm gonna have plenty of fun figuring this out. Kwow any good sniffers? I agree the list should be public usenet: A mail gate-way to a usenet group that ALSO permits unmoderated posts. This would be a nice way to combine a strict moderated mail-list, with a standard netnews group.

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Re: whitehouse web incident, viva la web revolution
by Clay Olbon II 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jonathon, > Statistical proof is only accepted in academia. Depending > upon your POV, this may or may not be a good thing, when > one is facing civil, or criminal charges. > > Finding proof for either civil or criminal charges is a > slightly different matter. IANAL, but your statements are misleading. Statistics are often used in both criminal and civil cases. Look at the DNA evidence in the OJ trial (OK, maybe a bad example), or the evidence that breast implants don't cause various ailments (probably another bad example :-). Both of these examples are based on statistics. IMO, part of the problem with juries (and public discourse in general) today is that anecdotal evidence is often accepted, when that evidence is clearly not statistically significant. The examples I cited previously illustrate this - the four horsemen are a similar example for public policymaking. Clay --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Clay Olbon II | Clay.Olbon(a)dynetics.com Systems Engineer | ph: (810) 589-9930 fax 9934 Dynetics, Inc., Ste 302 | http://www.msen.com/~olbon/olbon.html 550 Stephenson Hwy | PGP262 public key: on web page Troy, MI 48083-1109 | pgp print: B97397AD50233C77523FD058BD1BB7C0 TANSTAAFL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Banking's Physical Security
by Sean T Carnes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

We all know that banks are very highly protected as far as their money goes but how safe are there computers? I live very close to a computer database collecting company that collects the data related to many banks in the area. It is all done through land lines and is not very well protected. They aren't very careful about who or what they let into the building also. If someone were to cut the lines the banks in the area would be out for days and they wouldn't have a means to do interbank transactions outside of the immediate area. Has anyone else seen this in there area or heard of it. Wouldn't it be a better idea to do the transactions by satellite.

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Re: whitehouse web incident, viva la web revolution
by Declan B. McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Excerpts from internet.cypherpunks: 5-Jun-96 Re: whitehouse web incident.. by Hallam-Baker(a)ai.mit.edu > I find Meeks' style somewhat tiresome. It is tabloid jornalism > rather than reasoned argument. His dislike for the Clinton is > well known - he recently accused the administration of being > fascist. I know of no evidence that the Clinton administration Phillip: I'll let Brock defend himself. I will, however, say that my conversations with him indicate that he probably dislikes Dole and Clinton equally -- or, if you prefer, likes one as much as the other. -Declan

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Jobs
by Sean T Carnes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am looking for a job in the computer business doing basically anything computer related, except something like typing all day, where i could get some experience around different computer enviroments. I have good knowledge of PC's and of some basic network situations. If anyone is in the NY metro area or on Long Island and is looking for some summer help could you please e-mail me back. Thanks

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Re: FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS
by jamesd＠echeque.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:54 AM 6/6/96 -0400, Duncan Frissell wrote: > (I've often > wondered why Hamas uses/used couriers for getting funds to Israel when > Israel has a great ATM network with international links.) Sounds like you are suffering caffeine withdrawal. Try wondering again after you have had some coffee. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Re: Cost of brute force decryption.
by Peter Trei 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: "Deranged Mutant" <WlkngOwl(a)unix.asb.com> > > On 4 Jun 96 at 10:58, Bruce M. wrote: > > [..] > > "If you can ensure secrecy either until no one cares about the > > information or so that cracking the code costs more than the information > > is worth, it's 'secure enough.' > > > > "For example a 40-bit key takes about $10,000 worth of supercomputer > > time and two weeks to crack. Although this key may be adequate to > > protect my checking account, it's probably not large enough for the > > accounts of a major corporation. > [..] > > The figures look familiar. No references around. I'm not sure it would > require a whole two weeks for 40-bits, though. Possibly less than a > day? (Or was that why you asked baout the figures?) A week? No. The second round of the cypherpunk's distributed key cracking (which bruted 40 bit RC4) completed in 38 hours. That was a year ago. With the growth in the number of interested people on the net, and the upgrades in cpu power since then, I expect that a similarly motivated effort could burn the same number of cycles in well under 24 hours. (The bottleneck a year ago was in coordination - not raw processing power). Prediction: By the millenium, we'll have made single DES look about as silly as 40 bit RC4 is today. Peter Trei

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Re: FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:29 AM 6/7/96 -0700, jamesd(a)echeque.com wrote: >At 06:54 AM 6/6/96 -0400, Duncan Frissell wrote: >> (I've often >> wondered why Hamas uses/used couriers for getting funds to Israel when >> Israel has a great ATM network with international links.) > >Sounds like you are suffering caffeine withdrawal. Try wondering again >after you have had some coffee. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- James. What am I missing? It is trivial to keep both ends of an international ATM transaction anonymous. And if Hamas suicide bombers can make it into Israel proper, I'm sure bagmen can hit ATMs there. There may even be ATMs in East Jerusalem or on the West Bank. DCF

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