December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Reasons in support of crypto-anarchy WAS Re: Why am I (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 21:43 EDT > From: "E. ALLEN SMITH" <EALLENSMITH(a)ocelot.rutgers.edu> > Subject: Re: Reasons in support of crypto-anarchy WAS Re: Why am I (fwd) > > >If the intent is to motivate others to kill or otherwise harm others simply > because you don't agree with them or their actions is reprehensible and > moraly or ethicaly undefensible. > ------------------- > So you don't believe in self-defense, or the defense of another? While > I'm not as sure as Jim whether such a system would just be used by the good > guys, if someone has taken action to seriously violate the rights of another > I can see the death penalty as being appropriate. > -Allen > What is described is not self-defence by any stretch of the imagination. It is a pre-meditated act which causes any plea of self-defence to fail. If it is wrong for an individual to kill another except in immediate self-defence then it is wrong for any group of people to kill another individual or group unless there is an immediate threat to the group. Capital punishment by governments is wrong under any conditions. If you seriously believe it is ethical for a government to kill another then please answer me a simple question. How many people have to decide that another should be killed for it to be ethical? In short, how many people does it take to decide it is a legitimate act to take your own life? Jim Choate

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Re: paper on remailers in the intelligence community
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 4:41 AM 2/7/96, sameer wrote: >http://www.strassmann.com/pubs/anon-remail.html > > A friend at Hotwired (yes, he's still my friend even though he >works for Hotwired) pointed me to some FUD which led Futplex to the >above paper. > It's an interesting viewpoint.. salient quotes: > >"By far the greatest threat to the commercial, economic and political >viability of the Global Information Infrastructure will come from >information terrorists. " > >"Anonymous re-mailers are here to stay. Like in the case of many >virulent diseases, there is very little a free society can do to .. The affiliation of the authors is interesting: ---- by Paul A. Strassmann, US Military Academy, West Point; and Senior Advisor, SAIC and William Marlow, Senior Vice President, Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC) ---- Now, what were people saying about SAIC and its role in intelligence matters saying again? (Not to mention the Inter-NIC stuff.) --Tim May, "wanted for information terrorism" Boycott espionage-enabled software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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DES for HP48 - found & thanks
by stainles＠bga.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Public thanks to The Cunning Artificers who sent a response (by the ECafe anonymous remailer) pointing to ftp://ftp.csua.berkeley.edu/pub/cypherpunks/ciphers/des.hp48sx.gz for the HP48 DES implimentation. Apologies to everyone else for the extra noise. ==Dwight -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6ui iQCVAgUBMRlUdIY4AzhdF11FAQETEgP6AhqRO6tMGAIpJNTdvuO/qqknpIpwI7fD PW/yH4LAXCpqWkjUXJYmx2IXCFU4todUkxV4ZaTf62OzYfCrLeyZ5VRmBqFUhI3V SjanPGq7v6gKX/ZNkpundvjGfBg9XqHLeafTaIarAcNI/73aNT/VgJwPu0lsB7Wq 7AdYiKFWI8A= =e1C0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Reasons in support of crypto-anarchy WAS Re: Why am I (fwd)
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"ravage(a)ssz.com" "Jim Choate" 6-FEB-1996 22:50:35.24 >What is described is not self-defence by any stretch of the imagination. It is a pre-meditated act which causes any plea of self-defence to fail. ------------------ If someone has comitted serious enough violations of rights in the past, then I would call killing that person justified. First, it prevents any future violations of rights by that person. Second, it serves to discourage people if they know they can get killed if they do so. (I realize that capital punishment by governments doesn't appear to do much good, but the people in question- government agents, etcetera- are generally a bit different than the gang members who so regularly ignore prison sentences and the death penalty.) Third, and getting away from the self-defense argument, it is justice. The job of a government, if it has one, is to defend individual liberties. It is given privileges in order to enforce that. The abuse of such privileges should be met by death. (Yes, I would be in favor of changing current laws to remove sovereign immunity and institute a death penalty for governmental rights violations. Unfortunately, among the people subject to such a law are the ones making the laws.) ------------------------ >How many people have to decide that another should be killed for it to be ethical? In short, how many people does it take to decide it is a legitimate act to take your own life? ---------------------- Why should "how many people" make a difference? If I violate someone's rights enough to justify such a course of action, then I should be dead even if everyone except the victim is cheering. Yes, I realize that Jim Bell's system does depend on a group of people. But so, in the end, do all such systems- whether they call themselves governments or anarcho-capitalist societies. If the Christian Coalition got too many people with guns in the latter, they'd rule. Any further discussion would appear to belong in private email; I suspect that Jim Bell would appreciate a cc. -Allen

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Re: free speach and the government
by James M. Cobb 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Eric, On 02 03 96 you say: In the US the media is by and large controlled by huge media con- glomerates with a vested interest in maintaining the status quo and delivering up their audience to their advertisers in tidy packages. The government is along for the ride, being part and parcel of the same system. They won't rest until net-speech is by and large con- trolled by huge media conglomerates all busy delivering up the net- public to advertisers in tidy packages... I'm not saying that there's a Black Heliocopters type conspiracy, or any other for that matter. There doesn't have to be, there are huge political forces moving things this way. So there might as well be a conspiracy, as the end effect on us is the same. Your analysis is excellent. Thank you. Often "anti-statist" conspiracy theorists have the bare facts right, but explain those facts from the same point of view as statists: the State is all-powerful; it is THE conspirator! "The" State tends to the monopoly of force; but THIS State is dependent on taxes, for it exists in THIS capitalist economy led by huge "conglom- erates" (the word may not be exact but it will do) that tend to control the supply of taxes (by splitting up, by dumping loyal workers, by crea- tive accounting, by moving away, by influencing the bureaucracy through a maze of advisory panels, by directly staffing the upper reaches of that bureaucracy, by timely contributions to journalism schools, by...ingenu- ity). In its preeminent meaning, politics refers only to the State. However, if we gracefully relent, ...there are huge political forces moving things.... Generally, this overall movement is not a conspiracy. Specifically, the movement involves an unbreakably large number of "per- manent" and temporary alliances, coalitions, blocs, nods and winks, in- siders, cliques, rings, gangs, and...you name it. Cordially, Jim

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Re: free speech and the government
by James M. Cobb 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dmitri, On 02 03 96 you say: I believe that any exception to unlimited free speech, be it libel, or copyright violation, or child pornography, or Nazi propaganda, or Chinese dissident materials, just isn't com- patible with the cpunk agenda. No censorship is acceptable. That's an absolute. Censorship is founded on prying; and pryers have THEIR absolute: On 2 January 1992, it was decided by the German Federal govern- ment to open these [East German police] files...at 15 offices throughout the former East Germany. It is worth pointing out the extensive nature of these files. It was discovered that husbands spied on wives, girlfriends spied on boyfriends, Cath- olic Church confessionals were bugged by the 'Stasi' both with and without the knowledge of the parish priest, Lutheran parish- ioners spied on their pastors, telephone calls of both East and West Germans were heavily monitored and the most innocent event, such as going shopping or visitng the library, was included in the files. --Wayne Madsen [co-author of the upcoming new Puzzle Palace]. Handbook of Personal Data Protection. Stockton Press. 1992. Page 4. Pryers agree! No censorship is acceptable. A*N*Y*T*H*I*N*G goes. But let's be scientific about it: Some 30 miles from Boston is a radio telescope called Beta, run by the Harvard-Smithsonian Centre for Astrophysics, that day and night searches the northern sky for artificial radio signals as it makes continuous swathes through the heavens. It must pick up all the naturally-caused radio sounds as well, which engineers call "noise" as opposed to "signal". This means that it collects an enormous quantity of information that can be processed only by a specially-built supercomputer. Every second it captures enough data to fill a CD-Rom, which every day adds up to 22 trillion bytes of data, the equivalent of 52 million novels. --Adrian Berry. "Watch This Space." File: nspace04.html. Home News. 02 05 96 The Electronic Telegraph. A USEFUL gadget, isn't it? Censorship of even 1 byte of the 22 tril- lion is unacceptable. E*V*E*R*Y*T*H*I*N*G goes. Between two absolutes, what decides? Cordially, Jim PS: I can't help wondering whether "all the naturally-caused radio sounds" are really all the artificially-caused microwave signals within range. Of all the intercept stations built during the 1950's boom, the ultimate in both ambition and failure was in the remote Allegheny hollow of Sugar Grove, West Virginia.... Since its beginnings in the mid-1950s, the secrecy surrounding Sugar Grove has been intense. The cover story throughout the entire life of the project was that the six-hundred-foot dish was purely for research and radio astronomy, permitting scien- tists "to tune in on radio signals as far as 38 billion light years away".... --James Bamford. The Puzzle Palace. Penguin Books. 1983. Pages 217f, 220. Supposedly, the only person allowed to look into each of the East German police files was the "data subject," the person who had been looked into.

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Re: PGP-Scape
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> >No. SSL doesn't encrypt everything, just certain transactions (or am I > > WRong. Ok.... that part's settled. --- "Mutant" Rob <wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com> Send a blank message with the subject "send pgp-key" (not in quotes) for a copy of my PGP key.

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Digital watermark
by A5113643667＠attpls.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear Cypherpunks, Has anyone heard any news lately about digital watermarks, that is, changes to the image that can be used to identy the source of the document? Peace ..Tom

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Re: paper on remailers in the intelligence community
by tbyfield＠panix.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>http://www.strassmann.com/pubs/anon-remail.html > It's an interesting viewpoint.. salient quotes: ^^^^^^^^^^^ Surely you jest. It's one of the weirdest hodgpodges of inane free association I've ever read. The authors are a couple of regular Jack D. Rippers. Highlights: >Since biblical times, crimes have been deterred by the prospects of punishment. >In many respects, the avoidance of technical discussions about some of the >pathological aspects of the Internet remind me of the state of medical >diagnosis prior to the recognition that bacteriology, prophylactics and >inoculation can be only applied following the acceptance of rigorous, >analytic and experimental disciplines. >One of the most prominent anonymous re-mailers is <anon.penet.fi> is in >Finland. It is frequently used by the Russian (ex-KGB) criminal element. When is a troll not a troll? When it's a_gnom_inous(a)c2.org.

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Defeating untrustworthy remailers?
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Here's another idea (don't laugh): to set up a system where mailing lists and newsgroups have public keys that you can encrypt directly to. Advantage for anonymous mail is that if a remailer is untrustowrthy, there's still some security in the final remailing of the document. Furthermore, non-encrypted mail is less at risk of tampering. And some newsgroups or lists could requires a signed message from an approved key before posting. - --Mutant Rob - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBMRg29CoZzwIn1bdtAQE5YwF/cL8OewFzwKdgErFteLAGj+6pgvczaix/ cMzkh4UfH6rjyIC3d6L+xcrmK1fz5v/I =GzsY -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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