December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Meta: The Arguing about the Terms of the Wager Continues
by Sandy Sandfort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ C'punks, Tim May wrote: >Frankly, I thought that Black Unicorn claimed to have seen >the error of his ways (in terms of debating with Bell) and >was going to stop? Since declaring victory, Unicorn has said far less about the wager than has Tim. When it comes to wasting bandwidth, Tim might consider removing the boulder in his own eye before going after the mote in someone else's. As far as I can see, the wager had its intended effect. I only hope that future undocumented pronouncements are dealt with as effectively. S a n d y ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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17 Dec '03

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Electronic Freedom March postponed to Fall 1996
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm glad to see that Keith Glass has taken the helm of the Electronic Freedom March. Moving the date back to late September is a good idea: * We can hold the March before Congress adjourns in early October. * The date is close to the November elections. * The Supreme Court will return on October 7 and will, I hope, decide to hear our lawsuit challenging the CDA soon after. Now we have time to organize... -Declan // declan(a)eff.org // I do not represent the EFF // declan(a)well.com // ---------- Forwarded message ---------- News Release 24 April 1996 6 PM Contact: Keith A. Glass 703-354-1737 Changes to the Electronic Freedom March The Electronic Freedom March on Washington, currently scheduled for June 30th, 1996, has been re-scheduled to the fall, tentatively the weekend of 28-29 September. With the current state of the case against the CDA, ACLU vs. Reno, and several organizational factors, it's been concluded that it would be far more effective to focus the political power of the citizens of the Net closer to the November elections. We are currently looking for people to assist us in organizing and sustaining the Electronic Freedom March on Washington. Specifically, we need assistance in fundraising and publicity, assistance in obtaining corporate and non-profit sponsorships, people familiar with stage and sound systems, crowd logistics, first aid, and security. Please refer all inquiries to Keith A. Glass, 703-354-1737, salgak(a)dcez.com -- * Keith A. Glass, Annandale, Virginia, USA, Filker/punster at large * * Washington Coordinator, Electronic Freedom March * * 30 June 1996, Washington DC URL: http://www.efm.org * * Note: the following line is an intentional act of Civil Disobedience: * * FUCK THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS DECENCY ACT--DEFEND THE FIRST AMENDMENT ! *

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"You have been deleted"
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Moroni worried: ... >Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:24:36 -0400 >From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON(a)locrian.scranton.com> >To: moroni(a)locrian.scranton.com >Subject: Returned mail: User unknown ... > ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- >tcmay(a)got.net (transient failure) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- >tcmay(a)got.net... Deferred: Connection refused by mail.got.net. >Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours Theory 1: While working through the examples for Day Eight of "Teach Yourself Java for Macintosh in 21 Days," I accidentally created a rogue applet which enabled a virus developed in Bulgaria to enter my system. From there, it infected several other computer systems, including a Sony PlayStation, a Foonley, and several Exidy Sorcerers. Service to Northern California is only now being restored. Theory 2: The Men in Black finally had enough, especially of my theft of their domain name (Blacknet). At 9:09 a.m., PDT, Clinton's black helicopter detoured on its route and landed on my hill, abducting me for medical experiments I am too embarrassed to describe (except that Chelsea was also involved). I am back now, albeit subtly changed (for the better). Theory 3: My ISP, got.net, had a router failure on its "ZNEt" link to the outside world. Take your pick. Or maybe we should vote? The social construction of reality, and all. Alas, sometimes the truth is too banal. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: [NOISE] Re: Nazis on the Net
by jamesd＠echeque.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:20 PM 4/23/96 -0700, Rich Burroughs wrote: >I'm sure it has been. That doesn't mean his report is untrue. Is the >standard of proof the same for both of these issues? We need proof to >establish that Weaver is a racist, but not to establish that the FBI >informant is lying? I have read that we already have proof that the FBI informant lied on numerous matters. I am not familiar with this proof, but it is consistent with the other facts surrounding this incident. Let us put this in its proper context: The FBI murdered Weaver's dog, his wife, and his son, and did their damndest to murder Weaver. They shot his wife while she was holding a fully loaded assault baby in her arms. They lied about this extensively on oath. The judge and the jury rejected their story during the prosecution of Randy Weaver. Later, when inconvenient facts came out, they pleaded the fifth amendment. Give a dog a bad name and hang him. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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(fwd) Statement on Merchants - Mark Twain Banks
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I knew it! There *is* an echo in here... ;-). Cheers, Bob Hettinga --- begin forwarded text X-Sender: merchant(a)172.16.1.10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 14:16:17 -0500 To: ecash(a)digicash.com From: Ecash Merchants <merchants(a)marktwain.com> Subject: Statement on Merchants - Mark Twain Banks Sender: owner-ecash(a)digicash.com Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Ecash - Its Your Money! Mark Twain Bank both supports and promotes free speech. Our adoption of the Ecash secure payment system written by DigiCash is one of the most important statements we think we can make about our belief in privacy. We believe that all sites should have the ability to publish or promote as they choose, and to do business with whom they choose. Mark Twain is a public company regulated by multiple governmental entities. In the ordinary course of business, the company chooses with whom it does business every day. The company has no obligation to ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ conduct business with anyone it deems to be inappropriate. The ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ;-). company will decline to accept any web site that sells graphics or items that would, in the sole and conservative judgement of the Bank, be offensive to the primary constituents of the Bank and other online vendors. Defining what is acceptable is an ongoing process of the Bank's Oversight Review Committee. Anyone with questions about specific acceptability should contact the committee by email. At this time the regulatory framework for Ecash and other online payment mechanisms is not established. We expect that we will be required to present the case for this new payment mechanism before legislative and regulatory bodies. This means that the ultimate success of Ecash will depend, in part, on our ability to provide regulatory bodies with a rational argument why current restrictive regulations should be broadened. If opposing parties are able to divert the discussion away from these essential elements into an argument about controversial products that may be available, then the goal of universal acceptance may not be met. As banks from around the world adopt Ecash, customers will be able to use their Mark Twain issued Ecash to make purchases globally without restriction. Mark Twain believes that all Ecash issuing banks should be inter-operable, and that such purchase transactions are private matters of the individuals utilizing Ecash. One could certainly imagine that merchants not acceptable to Mark Twain could be acceptable elsewhere. Thank you for your patience, and your comments. Mark Twain Bank merchants(a)marktwain.com www.marktwain.com "Ecash" is a trademark of DigiCash bv "Mark Twain Banks" is a trademark of Mark Twain Bancshares, Inc. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMX59ttsWVQQCavb7AQGnwQP+PedLsJjUsdiZ+XW8qoyTmWjBtFGVBnqE sOkVm9ZFPK/Sgny13iYJdjyjpNe/XgFaQO8hSfV1aZyBln4U3pFhH9aIqJzAyFmU Fo9iyLXf3CowWRYieI0OXzG5xYk+nQPKLJLeCdwebxit1bS7m/5iYuASyF3DQs3x fs7X94LQHeg= =0vvc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "If they could 'just pass a few more laws', we would all be criminals." --Vinnie Moscaritolo The e$ Home Page: http://thumper.vmeng.com/pub/rah/

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Re: Rabbi Hier Testimony
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To see today's WaPo about "The Turner Diaries" publishing controversy that Declan cites: TUM_ult For William Pierce, "Diaries" author, by NYT, June, 1995: TUR_ner

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Re: [NOISE] [Wager: Seeming Resolution]
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:57 AM 4/24/96 -0400, Declan B. McCullagh wrote: >Excerpts from internet.cypherpunks: 23-Apr-96 [Wager: Seeming >Resolution] by Black Unicorn(a)schloss.li >> The only issue is how you wish to modify that claim for the purposes of >> the wager so as to bring it within a semblence of accuracy. >> >> Absent further interest on your part, I consider the matter closed and >> your claim retracted. > >I confess I had a good laugh at Jim Bell's expense. His attempt at >weaseling was sadly uninspired, and Black Unicorn was quite right to >move in for the kill. > What "kill"? Unicorn claimed a few days ago that he THOUGHT that his challenge would never be accepted, ostensibly because of haggling by me. I interpret this as unwillingness to bargain in good faith (sandbagging), which is reasonable given Unicorn's track record. Given this thinly-veiled warning of dishonesty, it is only realistic that I would not want to accept his challenge. Notice that he hasn't presented what he would claim to be the scope of the conditions, which suggests that he's going to try to spring them on me later. I, for one, am not going to accept the legal equivalent of a witch-doctor's example, and I don't think anyone else here would find that to be acceptable either. Further, all this is merely an attempt to distract from the issue that I raised, one that Unicorn hasn't dared to talk about yet: I claimed that of the examples quoted in that SC decision, which were cited as exceptions to 5th amendment protections in the US, all of them represent examples which were only considered technologically useful in the last 100 years, the oldest being fingerprinting. Given this, it is easy to conclude that there is no realistic basis for an interpretation that they are genuinely exceptions to 5th amendment protections, and were allowed simply because they were useful. Isn't it interesting how Unicorn always seems to dodge the analysis and replace it with precedent? Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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