December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: No matter where you go, there they are.
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 8:41 AM 4/10/96 -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote: Anonymous writes: > > Location-based System Delivers User > Authentication Breakthrough > > By Dorothy E. Denning and Peter F. MacDoran > Copyright(c), 1996 - Computer Security Institute - All Rights Reserved > Top - Help > When I first started reading the paper I said to myself, "Ah, they are going to have a box that provides digitally signed GPS locations." I still think they might try that as plan "B". Combined with a password or biometrics to prevent unauthorized use of the box, they might have a useful, if limited, system. A few other practical problems with the system they DID describe that haven't been mentioned: (1) GPS doesn't work well near the walls of canyons. The positions reported can be off by a considerable distance. This problem probably also applies in the steel and glass canyons of cities. (2) Consumer grade GPS receivers have problems acquiring satalites in forested areas. The same problem probably will also occur in skyscrapers. Using your portable in some client's office will involve shoving an antenna out the non-openable window. With these problems, I just can't see GPS authentication being popular for the masses. For some military and industrial uses it may solve a real problem. Regards - Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz | The CDA means | Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 | lost jobs and | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | dead teenagers | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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Re: Scientologists may subpoena anonymous remailer records?
by Declan B. McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message begins here ---------- Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:38:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)eff.org> To: fight-censorship+(a)andrew.cmu.edu cc: rnewman(a)cybercom.net, grady(a)northcoast.com, kaj.malmberg(a)mallu.pp.fi, sthomson(a)netcom.com Subject: Re: Anonymous Remailer threat: Scientologists may subpoena anonymous remailer records? Ron, thanks for the background about the CoS's renewed attempts to get a search warrant for anon.penet.fi. I hope you don't get dragged into this any more than you already are. Grady Ward writes below, in a message dated this morning: > I would say it is virtually certain that U.S. anon remailers will > be subpoenaed as well as any foreign ones in which they can handle > the authorities. Yikes! Jim's alert was timely. -Declan [This message is archived at http://fight-censorship.dementia.org/top/] // declan(a)eff.org // I do not represent the EFF // declan(a)well.com // Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:18:35 -0500 From: Ron Newman <rnewman(a)cybercom.net> Subject: Re: Clams subpoena'ing anonymous remailer records? Here's what Grady said to me in several messages. Note that they seem to be after anon.penet.fi again too. (He has given me blanket permission to distribute his e-mail to me to anyone who may find it of use.) ------- Date: Thu, 04 Apr 1996 08:52:38 -0800 To: rnewman(a)cybercom.net (Ron Newman) From: Grady Ward <grady(a)northcoast.com> I've just received e-mail from: kaj.malmberg(a)mallu.pp.fi (Kaj Malmberg) The Poilice CID in Helsinki who is being pushed by the criminal cult yet again to get a search warrant for Julf's anonymous remailer, claiming I have been violating my injunction to post cult crap. I told him that as usual the criminal cult is lying and that I gave him and Julf explicit permission to investigate any or all of my posts I have ever made through the remailer. The criminal cult is trying to use the fact of my injunction to further their own conspiracy theories. South Africa, Finland, where does it end? Grady ------------- Date: Fri, 05 Apr 1996 07:41:25 -0800 To: rnewman(a)cybercom.net (Ron Newman) From: Grady Ward <grady(a)northcoast.com> Subject: Re: Kaj Malmberg, Finland At 10:11 AM 4/5/96 -0500, you wrote: >Why did you give them this permission? I think it sets a VERY bad >precedent. Chris Schafmeister was upset when I mentioned this >on the IRC channel yesterday afternoon -- he thinks you're being >too nice, polite, and cooperative for your own good. I like to err on the side of openness. Each to their own I suppose. Basically I trust Kaj to sense who is the criminal perpetrator in this case. I also sent him the set of trial stipulations in the Snow White case that ought to give him very interesting background on the criminal cult. >In my opinion, Julf and the Finnish cop should Just Say No >to the CoS. He is still free to do as he wishes. ------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 14:16:32 -0700 To: Ron Newman <rnewman(a)cybercom.net> From: Grady Ward <grady(a)northcoast.com> Subject: Re: a few more questions [Regarding the depositions. --Declan] No one was with me. Total hours day one: 7.5 Total hours day two: 3.25 hours, as per order of Judge Infante. Also I believe all american anonymous remailers will be subpoenaed for their records as will all my ISPs, and contents of safety deposit box held as evidence. At 04:56 PM 4/9/96 -0400, you wrote: >Was anyone with you (on YOUR side) at either day's deposition? > >How many hours total did you go each day? > -------- Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 19:37:57 -0700 To: Ron Newman <rnewman(a)cybercom.net> From: Grady Ward <grady(a)northcoast.com> Subject: Re: what is the latest regarding penet? I don't know what's up today, but Julf wrote yesterday to tell me that my id grady(a)northcoast.com had NOT been used to go through his remailer. No word on what the police are doing to subpoena his system, if they are. Grady -------------- Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 22:57:26 -0700 To: rnewman(a)cybercom.net (Ron Newman) From: Grady Ward <grady(a)northcoast.com> Subject: Re: what is the latest regarding penet? That is all he told me: that he could verify to authorities that grady(a)northcoast.com had not used his remailer. He didn;t mention anyone else or how he was helping the CID with their inquiries. Yes, you can put this datum on the web. At 01:52 AM 4/10/96 -0500, you wrote: >Was something else used to go through his remailer? > >Has he said anything in public about this? > >Should I post your message about it on my web site? Grady Ward | | http://www.northcoast.com/~grady +1 707 826 7715 | | (voice/24hr FAX) | 34877c8566839cb7 | grady(a)northcoast.com | aeab8ec5e5ee97fe | -- Ron Newman rnewman(a)cybercom.net Web: http://www.cybercom.net/~rnewman/home.html Here are some other messages that Grady sent me in the last few days. I'll put some of this on my web site in the near future. ------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 13:34:20 -0700 To: rnewman(a)cybercom.net (Ron Newman) From: Grady Ward <grady(a)northcoast.com> Subject: Re: deposition At 11:05 AM 4/9/96 -0500, you wrote: >When are the remaining 1.5 hours of deposition scheduled? >Are you holding firm to the 9 hour limit? I held firm to my nine hour limit; they held firm to their 2+ day limit. Hogan called me a "liar" on the record, a term I reciprocated on the record. This time there were a lot of questions about you two, Ron and Shelley. I predict that you two will be served a subpoena soon to either be deposed yourself or to have your e-mail and archives produced in evidence. We got onto the phone with Judge Infante and he told us to finish by 12:15. Which we did. The only other issue is that the cult wanted to immediately seize my safety deposit box contents. I asked that any seizures be made pursuant to a Special Master or other neutral party taking control and analyzing the significance of the contents of the backup disks therein. We got back on the phone with Infante and while he did not sanction the seizure by the scientologists, he did "freeze" the contents so as to preserve possible evidence. Grady We finished as per the Judges order at 12:15. The criminal cultists were somewhat unhappy at their interrogation being cut short. One strange man whose picture I will post soon was apparently the go-between between Warren McShane and ??? (speculating David Miscavige/OSA). The receptionist said she had not seen as many faxes in one day as had come to her office during my deposition. He was constantly ferrying stuff from the fax to McShane and Kobrin or constantly talking on a cellphone. But he and McShane looked for the world as simply carrying out their master's orders. ------------- Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 13:36:27 -0700 To: rnewman(a)cybercom.net (Ron Newman) From: Grady Ward <grady(a)northcoast.com> Subject: Re: who were the CoS lawyers who deposed you? Hogan and Eric Lieberman. Both were assisted by Kobrin and McShane. Also in the room was a cult computer expert, and a couple of helpers for Lieberman and McShane. ---------- Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 13:41:46 -0700 To: rnewman(a)cybercom.net (Ron Newman) From: Grady Ward <grady(a)northcoast.com> Subject: Re: Henson page added, Grady page updated Today's deposition realaudio will be available as depo_7 through depo_10 in about an hour at my site. You were the topic of some detailed questions about e-mail and phone conversations. ------------ To: Ron Newman <rnewman(a)cybercom.net> From: Grady Ward <grady(a)northcoast.com> Subject: Re: who did they ask about in the depo, besides Shelley and me? At 06:38 PM 4/9/96 -0400, you wrote: >Someone listened to one of the files and noticed that they asked >about Maureen Garde. Who else did they ask about? They were most interested in *you*, then Jeff Jacobsen, then Keith Henson, then each of the other list people in turn. If I were a betting man, I would say you are going to be subpoenaed to be deposed real soon now. -------------- Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 07:17:01 -0700 To: rnewman(a)cybercom.net (Ron Newman) From: Grady Ward <grady(a)northcoast.com> Subject: Re: what is the latest regarding penet? Ron, Yes do please distribute my messages as you deem necessary. Some people ought to be aware of what is coming down. My feeling is that they will be doing anything they can to attempt to produce "hard evidence" that I am part of the Grand Conspiracy. I would say it is virtually certain that U.S. anon remailers will be subpoenaed as well as any foreign ones in which they can handle the authorities. I did tell you that they sprung a surpise motion on me and Judge Infante during day #2 of the deposition by asking him if their computer expert could make copies of the contents thereof to look for contraband? I objected on the grounds that it was a thinly disguised seizure request (which had already been denied by Judge Whyte) and that the box contained much private material such as letters to my wife, etc. The judge did agree to another motion however made by Hogan to "freeze" the contents of the box to "preserve evidence". Obviously any motion that they make to examine the contents will be met by a demand that only a mutually agree 3rd party using an agreed upon protocol (i.e. grepping for an agreed list of patterns) will be permitted. No mass copying, no random cult fishing. Grady Ward | | http://www.northcoast.com/~grady +1 707 826 7715 | | (voice/24hr FAX) | 34877c8566839cb7 | grady(a)northcoast.com | aeab8ec5e5ee97fe |

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NPR is talking about smart card purses...
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Responding to msg by rah(a)shipwright.com (Robert Hettinga) on Wed, 10 Apr 5:53 PM >Chase, Citi, MC and others are offering a stored value >card on the west side of Manhattan. They're saying >that smart cards are faster than cash. Stick the card >in, say yes to the amount. The terminals are wired >directly to a bank account, so we're looking at a book >entry system, it looks like... > >The announcer is breathless at the possibilities.... > >I wonder if this is CAFE, Mondex, or what? anyone >know? ---------- Yep, NYT has a story on it today, the testrun is in my own pigsty. It's by Citibank, Chase Manhattan, Mastercard and Visa: electronic cash loaded on a plastic card that can be used to make small purchases. The article also reviews the state of the art. Wanna see it from me, or try http://www.nytimes.com?

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Re: No matter where you go, there they are.
by JonWienke＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 96-04-10 17:49:32 EDT, you write: >Or course, I could be completely missing some neat feature of >DGPS. I really don't know the details of how it works and this >could be completely wrong. Any thoughts? Because of the fluctuations in the signals, random and otherwise, you would be detected if you used recordings that were more than a few seconds old. However, if you delayed all but one of the satellite signals by a few milliseconds (or fractions thereof) to get the desired phase relationship, you could effectively fake your position, and the delay would be masked by the delays inherent in the Net by a pretty good margin. The longer the average packet transfer delay between you and the other party, the farther you could fake your position from your real one without being detected. Jonathan Wienke

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Bay Area Meeting on Saturday?
by iang＠cs.berkeley.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- So, will there be a Bay Area meeting on Saturday? Where? etc... - Ian -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMWxHeUZRiTErSPb1AQHzlAP+N3q0syVT6pmrEDDUGfY7spKqJQkFDtcU HFbzihOAHsYLzgERQoi5yLe4487ApKTpqR8ohly28R0ZLA98tV0Ev/8KHaHYJxTn /3BAL/Xj2jtVS2gvKBzyshUnh7QqyZeq1jmV4Y+lRigFggiJgENrWSnJLKfr5zwM csc/0838gqw= =LcIY -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Tense visions of future imperfect
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 7:33 AM 4/10/96 -0700, Hal wrote: >From: frantz(a)netcom.com (Bill Frantz) >> >[Description of dcash counterfeiting scam, presumably done by stealing >> > the bank's public key] >> I don't see how this third scam would work in a system such as DigiCash >> which uses online clearing. Unissued serial numbers would be refused when >> presented for clearing. > >DigiCash banks do not issue serial numbers. Serial numbers are randomly >chosen by the user when he withdraws his cash. ... Well, teach me to post without checking the protocol. Thanks Hal and Perry. Apologies to all - Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz | The CDA means | Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 | lost jobs and | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | dead teenagers | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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[UTTER NOISE] I am the very model of a modern teenage cyberpunk
by stevenw＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From the "humor" list. Thought you might enjoy. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 07:35:36 -0500 From: Randall Woodman <randallw(a)ADSS.ESY.COM> Subject: Humor: Teenage Cyberpunk I am the Very Model of a Modern Teenage Cyberpunk -author unknown I am the very model of a modern teenage Cyberpunk I rent my own apartment and it's full of electronic junk I own a VAX, a 486, I've even got a PDP I've finished Myst and Doom but I am stumped by Wing Commander III I'm very well aquainted too with matters pornographical I have a list of image sites, both overseas and national So if you want to see a picture of that Anna Nichole Smith I'll fire up my terminal and fetch for you a naughty GIF I'm totally an anarchist, the government I'd like to wreck, Though if they were to get blown up, who'd give to me my welfare cheque? In short if you need answers that concern your electronic junk, I am the very model of a modern teenage Cyberpunk I know the ancient myths about RTM, Pengo and Mitnick I 'hack' into computers and I then perform a credit check I scare all my non-hacker friends with tales of cracker theivery and even though I'm spouting crap they'll listen and believe in me I've learned to spot a troll and I've seen flames about the way I spell, I've traced badly forged cancels and seen napalm poured on AOL I've laughed at all the newbies and their flailing cries of "You all Suck!" I've been flamed by Carasso, with an anvil I have then been struck I've hung around in alt.tasteless and seen war waged on rec.pets.cats I've spent my time in talk.bizarre and used those stupid Relay Chats In short, if you need answers that concern your electronic junk, I am the very model of a modern teenage Cyberpunk Well postings like "MAKE.MONEY.FAST", I am now somewhat wary at, I have been "Global Killfiled" by the Joel Furr Commissariat, When rosebud posts a lengthy rant 'bout Microsoft she swears is true, I know that she is just another short lived kook without a clue When I have learnt what progress has been made upon the Internet, When I know something more than just a smattering of netiquette, In short when I can have a world-wide soapbox on which I can stand I've got no time for other things, like beer and trips to Disneyland My life outside the Internet is very very sad you see I cannot get my spots to fade, my social life's a tragedy, But still if you need answers that concern your electronic junk, I am the very model of a modern teenage Cyberpunk. (With apologies to G&S) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -=} Randall {=- Editor without a clause. ------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Weller | Weller's three steps to Greatness: | 1. See what others cannot | 2. Think what others cannot stevenw(a)best.com | 3. Express what others cannot

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Re: Anonymous Remailer threat: Scientologists may subpoena
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 4:23 AM 4/11/96, sameer wrote: > Frankly, I'm getting antsy. Is C2 going to get subpoena'd or >not? I would be very disappointed if we don't. > (Subpeonas envy!) Good one! Just stay calm and try to maintain your sangfreud. --Tim THE X-ON CONGRESS: INDECENT COMMENT ON AN INDECENT SUBJECT, by Steve Russell, American Reporter Correspondent....You motherfuckers in Congress have dropped over the edge of the earth this time... "the sorriest bunch of cocksuckers ever to sell out the First Amendment" or suggesting that "the only reason to run for Congress these days is to suck the lobbyists' dicks and fuck the people who sent you there," ....any more than I care for the language you shitheads have forced me to use in this essay...Let's talk about this fucking indecent language bullshit.

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Re: Protocols at the Point of a Gun
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 1:48 PM 4/10/96, Duncan Frissell wrote: >Well this is as good a time and place as any to ask the question that >none of the opposition seems to have asked (perhaps because they don't >know enough to ask): How do you force geographically dispersed nodes >on a distributed network to adopt a set of officially mandated protocols? > >But first a reading assignment: "How Anarchy Works--Inside the Internet >Engineering Task Force" from Wired. > >http://www.hotwired.com/wired/3.10/departments/electrosphere/ietf.html I'd also recommend Michael Froomkin's article "The Internet as a Source of Regulatory Arbitrage," available at http://www.law.miami.edu/~froomkin/arbitr.htm It gets into the nature of IETF-type stuff, especially vis-a-vis the difficulty jurisdictions have in enforcing parochial rules. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: No matter where you go, there they are.
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:36 PM 4/10/96 -0700, rick hoselton wrote: >At 10:04 AM 4/10/96 -0400, Peter Wayner wrote: >> >>Hmm. Here's an interesting question. Let's say that there are 3 >>satellites in view broadcasting signals f1(t), f2(t) and f3(t). >>...Okay, so why can't I just tape the signals I get from each of >>the three satellites. > >>Or course, I could be completely missing some neat feature of >>DGPS. ... Any thoughts? > >I have read that GPS uses encryption to place time-dependent, >location-dependent inaccuracies into the signals. Innacuracies >small enough so they are not a problem for civilian navigation, >(mostly) but large enough to prevent GPS from being a useful method >of military targeting for anyone who does not hold the keys. It's called "S/A" (Selective Availability) which is the NWO term for adding errors that "authorized" users can remove. (Not to be confused with A/S, or anti-spoofing) It was originally intended to be turned on in wartime to deny the enemy accurate fixes, but during the Gulf War military GPS receivers were so scarce that the soldiers had to use commercial products, so the S/A actually was turned OFF then! Since then, pressure has been building to turn off S/A, since its usefulness is nearly zero. Even so, the amplitude of S/A errors are only a little larger than natural errors caused by satellite timing errors, atmospheric propagation variations, etc. The result is that DGPS is useful, which is (more or less) a fixed antenna and GPS system which knows where it is, and subtracts where it "seems" to be by GPS every second, and broadcasts the resulting error data on some terrestrial system to receivers locally. The result is errors down to the 1-meter level and even lower. That system compensates for both natural errors and S/A, so the whole purpose of having S/A is negated. Eventually S/A will probably be turned off permanently, but even then we'll want to continue to use DGPS systems. > >Perhaps Ms. Denning is suggesting that the US feral government could >act as a "trusted server" (and she has repeatedly suggested such trust) >and tell us whether a GPS that "thinks" it's at some location, right now, >is REALLY at some known location. Denning's trust for the government is apparently boundless. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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