December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: EFF/Bernstein Press Release
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:46 4/19/96, Alan Olsen wrote: >I have been seening a surprising amount of rant from the forces of >Government about keeping information out of "the hands of terrorists". I am >wondering how this is going to be brought about. The books are there. They >can be ordered from a number of mail order firms. They can also be found in >used book stores across the country. The information is alos on the net, on >cd-roms and other mediums of storage. How are they going to stuff the >tentacles back into the can? Trivial. Publish a book -> Ten years. Sell a book -> Ten years. Sell CDROM -> Ten years. Publish on the net (at this time US only, but identical campaigns are underway in just about any country with a decent net connection) -> Ten years. Won't stop the hard core terrorist, but will keep the general population from taking action once they finally realize what is going on. Disclaimer: My opinions are my own, not those of my employer, DigiCash, Inc. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred.

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Re: Bernstein ruling meets the virus law
by Computer Virus Help Desk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:08 PM 4/19/96 -0700, Tim May wrote: > >It should be interesting to see what happens when the Bernstein ruling >(assuming it is further upheld as the court case and appeals proceed) meets >the proposed law making the writing of virus code a crime. > >If crypto software is essentially speech, albeit in a non-traditional >human language, then virus software is no different. To the best of our knowledge simply writing Virus Code including it's "distribution" is not a crime in the United States. However, the deliberate, malicious upload or infection of another's computer or system is a crime in many states. The writing and or distribution of Computer Viruses is a crime in some European countries. We don't see the "Bernstein" ruling as having an effect in the U.S. one way or the other. Virus Code seems to be treated just like "speech" right now. Use "it" to yell "fire" in a crowded theater and see what happens. Deliberately and maliciously infect another's computer or system with a computer virus and see what happens. What proposed law making writing virus code a crime were you referring to ?

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Re: TERRORISM PREVENTION ACT--CONFERENCE REPORT was: EFF/Bernstein Press Release
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:59 PM 4/19/96 -0700, Bill Frantz wrote: >Real terrorists receive instruction at terrorism schools run by >organizations like the Iranians, the PLO, and even the US government (CIA, >Special Forces etc.) The rate of technology transfer is much greater with >hands-on teaching than it is with literature in e.g. libraries or the net. That's because most people are not autodidactic. You have to teach them in person and pound their heads in. Some like Ted K. do OK at self teaching, however. In addition, "teachers" can use the net for research and pick up lots of interesting info. They always could pick it up, though. DCF

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Re: [EVENT] cheap date w/Bob Dole
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>"Public Policy Issues Forum on Information Security" >(aka "Celebration of 20 years of Public Key Cryptography" 1976-1996) > >Co-Hosts: > Cylink Corporation > The Churchill Club [stuff deleted] > - Senator(s) Larry Pressler (and Bob Dole?*) >on new legislation (The Encryption Communications Privacy Act of 1996) to >loosen restrictions on strong crypto in the U.S. What, exactly, are the "restrictions on strong crypto in the U.S.? > - Senator Conrad Burns (R/Montana) >on his proposed bill (Promotion of Commerce On-Line in the Digital Era) >which could include preventing government from becoming an escrow registry >bureau. I'm _still_ waiting to see the text of this bill. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Wiretapping v warrants
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:01 4/20/96, jim bell wrote: >I seem to recall a news item from Washington state within the last couple of >years in which a conviction was thrown out because evidence was obtained >with thermal-IR imagers. You know, look for the hot house and it's being >used to grow pot. You know, it is cases like this that I consider evolution in action. What was the fool doing growing pot in a house, anyway? Any smart pot grower knows that you grow pot in grow rooms underground. With a large septic tank above it. Through the septic tank, you bubble both the exhaust of the diesel generator used to power the high pressure sodium lights, as well as the exhaust of the grow room cooling fan. That neutralizes the exhaust smell and provides an obvious explanation to the IR scanners overhead, since septic tanks are naturally hot due to the bacterial activity taking place within. Amateurs. Disclaimer: My opinions are my own, not those of my employer, DigiCash, Inc. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred.

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Re: OS/2 encryption utilities
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"unicorn(a)schloss.li" "Black Unicorn" 20-APR-1996 19:57:53.83 >>From: mirele(a)xmission.com >> Due to the fact that I have been threatened by the Church of Scientology >> with legal action if I do not cease and desist posting encheferated >> parodies of their secret scripture (per a letter I received from Cult >> attorneys via Federal Express today) I am in search of OS/2 disk >> encryption programs. >Were I a Co$ attorney, I would use this to bring discovery violations >if I took you to court. How would this work, since they _haven't_ served her with a subpoena? >I'm not saying they would pass muster, but they sure would be annoying. This is the Co$; they'll be annoying (or worse) no matter what. Admittedly, letting them get more annoying unnecessarily isn't a good idea. Now, I wouldn't disagree that she should have posted through a nym. -Allen

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Re: Oklahoma City - One Year Later - The Coverup Continues !
by jamesd＠echeque.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Wed, 17 Apr 1996 ssalgaller(a)CCGATE.HAC.COM wrote: > Suggested Reading: > > Oklahoma City - The Suppressed Truth We have already been through this several times on the cypherpunks list. The physical evidence indicates a very large deflagrating explosive, such as a truck full of ANFO or gunpowder, not a small detonating (military) explosive. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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E-mail harassment by c2
by tallpaul＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear folks at C2, If people don't ask you to be placed on a mailing list they jolly well don't have to follow *your* instructions to get taken off. You can keep me and other people on "clueless" until we do what you want. But you can neither force other people to do it nor avoid getting a reputation for e-mail harassment for your "cute" games. --tallpaul >From Majordomo-Owner(a)c2.org Sat Apr 20 20:43 EDT 1996 Received: from infinity.c2.org (infinity.c2.org [140.174.185.11]) by mail.nyc.pipeline.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA12128 for <tallpaul(a)pipeline.com>; Sat, 20 Apr 1996 20:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by infinity.c2.org (8.7.4/8.6.9) id RAA11637; Sat, 20 Apr 1996 17:37:24 -0700 (PDT) Community ConneXion: Privacy & Community: <URL:http://www.c2.net> Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 17:37:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604210037.RAA11637(a)infinity.c2.org> To: tallpaul(a)pipeline.com From: Majordomo(a)c2.org Subject: Majordomo results: Re: Welcome to clueless Reply-To: Majordomo(a)c2.org Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1476 -- >>>> Since I didn't ask you to put me on the list I see no reason why I should **** Command 'since' not recognized. >>>> follow your instructions to be taken off. **** Command 'follow' not recognized. >>>> >>>> --tallpaul END OF COMMANDS **** Help for Majordomo(a)c2.org: This is Brent Chapman's "Majordomo" mailing list manager, version 1.92. In the description below items contained in []'s are optional. When providing the item, do not include the []'s around it. It understands the following commands: subscribe <list> [<address>] Subscribe yourself (or <address> if specified) to the named <list>. unsubscribe <list> [<address>] Unsubscribe yourself (or <address> if specified) from the named <list>. get <list> <filename> Get a file related to <list>. index <list> Return an index of files you can "get" for <list>. which [<address>] Find out which lists you (or <address> if specified) are on. who <list> Find out who is on the named <list>. info <list> Retrieve the general introductory information for the named <list>. lists Show the lists served by this Majordomo server. help Retrieve this message. end Stop processing commands (useful if your mailer adds a signature). Commands should be sent in the body of an email message to "Majordomo(a)c2.org". Commands in the "Subject:" line NOT processed. If you have any questions or problems, please contact "Majordomo-Owner(a)c2.org".

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Re: OS/2 encryption utilities
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 14:26 4/20/96, mirele(a)xmission.com wrote: >Due to the fact that I have been threatened by the Church of Scientology >with legal action if I do not cease and desist posting encheferated >parodies of their secret scripture (per a letter I received from Cult >attorneys via Federal Express today) I am in search of OS/2 disk >encryption programs. Parodies have been found by the courts over and over again to not infringe on copyrights. Tell the criminal cult to shove it. They are bluffing. [IANAL.] Don't know about OS/2 disk encryption programs, though. Disclaimer: My opinions are my own, not those of my employer, DigiCash, Inc. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred.

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Re: Bernstein ruling meets the virus law
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 15:50 4/20/96, Computer Virus Help Desk wrote: >To the best of our knowledge simply writing Virus Code including it's >"distribution" is not a crime in the United States. However, the >deliberate, malicious upload or infection of another's computer or system is >a crime in many states. What about making Virus binaries available for download? Someone I know has been thinking about putting the famous "Outlaws" CD on the web, to provide a one-stop place for unrestricted virus information, including source code and live viruses. Of course the user has to accept an agreement that they will use the information for research purposes only. Disclaimer: My opinions are my own, not those of my employer, DigiCash, Inc. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred.

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