December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

FW: Veriphone and Netscape Team to Provide Internet Payment Solutions
by Pete Loshin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Here's the Netscape press release on their Verifone collaboration; note that they explain nothing about 128 bits or 1024 bits--but Netscape now appears to claim to be the sole developers of SEPP. It looks like Verifone will be building their approval/verification mechanism into a Netscape product, and selling it themselves. I've removed contact info and the source at Netscape (in their PR dept), just to avoid unnecessarily nettling anyone. Presumably Netscape shouldn't be able to complain about it getting passed around since it will likely be the basis of reports in various trade/news rags by next week anyway. Enjoy. -Pete Loshin pete(a)loshin.com ---------- COPITHORNE & BELLOWS (for VeriFone) [contact info deleted] VERIFONE, INC. [contact info deleted] NETSCAPE [contact info deleted] VeriFone and Netscape Team To Provide Internet Payment Solutions Worldwide Leaders To Accelerate Commerce on the Internet REDWOOD CITY, Calif. - January 22, 1996 - VeriFone, Inc. (NYSE: VFI), and Netscape Communications Corporation (NASDAQ: NSCP) today announced an agreement to create comprehensive Internet payment solutions, enabling merchants, banks, credit card companies and consumers to expand the use of the Internet for electronic commerce. The agreement between VeriFone, the world leader in retail electronic payment systems, and Netscape, the premier provider of open software for linking people and information over enterprise networks and the Internet, is designed to accelerate acceptance of the Internet as a mainstream vehicle for commerce. Under terms of the agreement, the two companies will join forces to address the transaction processing needs of both financial institutions and merchants. For financial institutions, Netscape's gateway software and VeriFone's payment technology will be combined to create a seamless interface between the Internet and existing financial networks. VeriFone will also provide customization, installation and support services for these customers. To serve merchants, VeriFone will resell Netscape's server and commerce products bundled with VeriFone payment functionality to deliver complete software solutions for merchants who want to broaden their reach by establishing a commercial presence on the Internet. VeriFone will provide merchants with these solutions through its existing customers and channels. Netscape and VeriFone create a combination that is uniquely qualified to fulfill the promise of global electronic commerce. VeriFone's point-of-sale systems for online payment processing and credit card verification are among standards recognized by thousands of banks, credit card and debit card processors, and millions of merchants and consumers throughout the world. VeriFone's solutions today address the technology standards, payment methods and government regulations of over 90 countries around the world, enabling the two companies to accelerate their goal of deploying Internet payment systems worldwide. "Netscape's agreement with VeriFone will bring a comprehensive Internet payment solution to merchants, banks, credit card companies and consumers which will continue to fuel electronic commerce worldwide," said James Barksdale, chief executive officer at Netscape. "By combining VeriFone's electronic payment technology with Netscape's complete line of server and commerce software products, financial institutions and merchants can implement a complete payment solution." Creating Comprehensive Payment Solutions The new solutions will be designed to be compatible with current and future credit card payment protocols, including Secure Electronic Payment Protocol (SEPP), developed by Netscape. The two companies are working with leading card associations and processors to include additional protocols, supporting future payments instruments such as micropayments and debit transactions. "To truly enable Internet commerce, banks, credit card companies, merchants and consumers need a trusted interoperable system as accessible and secure as current payment systems," said Hatim A. Tyabji, chairman, president and chief executive officer of VeriFone. "Consumers need to know they can safely pay for something electronically, merchants need to know they can safely accept it, and banks and other financial organizations need to be able to process it. Our goal is to give merchants the same 'plug and play' payment access on the Internet that they have come to expect in their retail stores." VeriFone expects the integrated Netscape/VeriFone Internet gateway systems for financial institutions and the merchant systems to become available in the second to third quarters of 1996 from VeriFone, with increasing payment protocols and enhancements becoming available throughout the year. Company Backgrounds Netscape Communications Corporation (http://www.netscape.com) is a premier provider of open software for linking people and information over enterprise networks and the Internet. The company offers a full line of Netscape Navigator clients, servers, development tools, and Netscape Internet Applications to create a complete platform for next-generation, live online applications. Traded on NASDAQ under the symbol "NSCP," Netscape Communications Corporation is based in Mountain View, California. VeriFone, Inc. (http://www.verifone.com) is a leading global provider of Transaction Automation and Internet commerce solutions used to deliver electronic payment services to financial institutions, retail merchants and consumers, as well as government agencies, healthcare providers and benefits recipients. The company's more than 30 facilities -- including regional offices, development centers, and manufacturing and distribution centers -- are located throughout North and South America, Europe, Asia, Africa and Australia. To date, VeriFone has shipped more than 4.8 million Transaction Automation systems, which have been installed in over 90 countries. The company's 1994 net revenues totaled $309.1 million. In 1995, VeriFone acquired Enterprise Integration Technologies (http://www.eit.com) -- a leading provider of software and consulting services for electronic commerce on the Internet. (30) VeriFone is a registered trademark of VeriFone, Inc. All other brand names and trademarks are the property of their respective owners.

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RE: IPSEC == end of firewalls (was Re: (fwd) e$: PBS NewsHour, Path Dependency, IPSEC, Cyberdog, and the Melting of Mr.)
by Pete Loshin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

More to the point, I don't think it's possible to trust the security of the network software USERS in any case. -Pete Loshin pete(a)loshin.com Perry Metzger wrote: >Nelson Minar writes: >> I'm all for the end of ridiculous non-TCP/IP protocols, but does >> anyone believe this point about encrypted IP traffic eliminating the >> need for firewalls? > >There is division in the IETF community on this point. > >Phil Karn (who I have the greatest respect for) thinks IPSEC means we >can get rid of the firewalls. I, for one, don't -- they are there >largely because people don't trust that their networking software is >free of security holes, and cryptography doesn't fix security holes >for the most part. > >Perry

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Re: New Nym Server at nym.alias.net
by John Perry 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted as well. Hello Everyone, [sorry about that last post, I hit send before I was ready. Here it is with more information.] I'm proud to announce the new nym server at nym.alias.net. The address for the nymserver is: nymrod(a)nym.alias.net (Catchy name huh?) Anyway nymrod is running Matt Ghio's latest nymserver code. It's been tested and I think (cross your fingers) all the bugs have been worked out. It works the same at the nym server at c2.org and gondonym. If you need a quick tutorial, send email to: help(a)nym.alias.net Here's the PGP public key for nymrod(a)nym.alias.net: -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzEEgxQAAAEEAKSv0YzZpc/4Kgn+L9fzzTlCp1LLdSEnu5YnU3AB068XwsF9 rLEn6C7AT8UP0JZAOl/bbhVir5/oCDg93l1iVIdSm3LWis/FXo1r3pVdAFd6PZrl V/gibZpeAA6sthXRR1OdatuesW11zvs/jee8yUl8rcHfsEbbpE969vAzW/8FAAUR tDVOeW0gU2VydmVyIGF0IFZpc2hudS5BbGlhcy5OZXQgPG55bXJvZEBueW0uYWxp YXMubmV0Pg== =W87x -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Enjoy!! John Perry - KG5RG - perry(a)vishnu.alias.net - PGP-encrypted e-mail welcome! WWW - http://www.alias.net PGP 2.62 key for perry(a)vishnu.alias.net is on the keyservers.

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RE: Netscape + Verifone
by Steve Makrecky 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What is the frequency on the back of your pager? Some people would like to monitor this type of information. ---------- From: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com on behalf of Perry E. Metzger Sent: Monday, January 22, 1996 11:13 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Netscape + Verifone My pager delivers me selected miniaturized Reuters news stories. I just got one that reads: REDWOOD CITY, CA - Netscape Communications Corp. and Verifone Inc. will devise a system to make electronic payments on the internet more secure. Anyone know anything about this? I'm away from my normal sources of such things (like Bloomberg terminals)... .pm

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SS Obergruppenfuhrer Zimmermann (NOT!)
by mpd＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous User <nobody(a)c2.org> writes: > "Private communications between neo-Nazis on the network are > effected under a program called "Pretty Good Privacy", > devised by an American neo-Nazi sympathiser." > Robin Gedye (in Bonn) p.23 of "The Sunday Telegraph" > January 21, 1996 Before anyone takes this nonsense too seriously, one should realize that the exhibition of such microscopic views of technology by journalists and politicians is fairly common. Who can forget Caspar Weinburger's stirring speech in front of an illegally exported low-end VAX, explaining that the machine was a sophisticated electronic device for the tracking of missiles and troop movements, now in the hands of America's enemies. Then there was the newspaper article which explained in perfect seriousness that "GIF" was a secret computer code used by child molesters to encode images of their victims. Characterizing PGP as a neo-Nazi tool for private communications written by a sympathizer, while absurd in a larger sense, is hardly sillier than the prior examples. And all such scenarios contain a microscopic grain of truth as seen by someone somewhere with a severe case of tunnel vision. The reporter no doubt reports correctly that some neo-Nazis use PGP to communicate privately. Doubtless PKZ supports the right of all people, including those with diverse political views, to conduct legal private conversations which cannot be overheard by their governments, as do most of the people on this list. I suppose in some obtuse sense this is sympathy. It is highly unlikely that anyone who uses Cypherpunk technology is as ignorant as this reporter. So let's just mail the poor guy a clue and move on. Things like this happen often, and it's not really worth a prolongued debate. -- Mike Duvos $ PGP 2.6 Public Key available $ mpd(a)netcom.com $ via Finger. $

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Re: You want to read MY e-mail?
by Alan Pugh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

=snip= >A bill by Sen. Paul Weissmann, R-Louisville, to make e-mail as privileged as >telephone conversations was killed in a Senate committee. > >A somewhat stronger bill still rests in the House. =snip= >Jim Carpenter, press secretary for Romer, said his office was "looking at all >the issues, all the options." > >Duke said he has always complied with requests for public records, but said the >request for e- mail messages goes too far. > >"I'm disturbed by it," Duke said. > >(John Sanko writes for the Rocky Mountain News in Denver.) > > OK, if _I_ can't read your e-mail Mr. Legislator, why should you >be able to read _mine_? a good question. perhaps _now_ they'll get serious about recognising email as eqivalent to postal mail. this would be an excellent way of pushing this elsewhere. when _their_ ox is gored, they'll scream like stuck pigs. one interesting aspect of this would be whether regular mail is considered a public record under the law as far as legislooters mail goes. if so, then she should get it. amp

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Re: The Collapse of Ideas in a Pop Culture
by Scott Staedeli 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>(If you don't know who Jules Bergmann was, you're a GenXer and > can't be held responsible for your ignorance :-}.) I _am_ a GEnXer, and I worshipped Jules Bergmann as a child. Some of my first memories is pressing my nose up to the tv, watching Saturn V's lifting off. If I ever win the lottery, I'm going to take the Saturn that's lying on it's side at Cape Kennedy, refurbish it, and launch that baby just to watch it go. ;-))) - --scottst(a)ionet.net---------------------Scott Staedeli-- >~<^xXx | "Information is the currency of xX # | democracy." (XXX) # | (XXXXXXX) | DON'T TREAD ON ME| --Thomas Jefferson ========================================================

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Welcome to cypherpunks
by Majordomo＠toad.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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yo subscribe!!
by Garry Bentlin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

how do I? and can you ? thanks heeeps! reg, garryb

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NY State to restrinct netporn?!
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This in today's LI Newsday, p. A6: Crime Time in Albany Bills Reflect now popular get-tough stance by Liam Pleven, Albany Bureau Albany - A bill that would restrict sexually explicit material on the Internet - which the Assembly took little notice of last year - is suddenly headed tothe governor's desk after winning legislative approval yesterday. ... --- "Mutant" Rob <wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com> Send a blank message with the subject "send pgp-key" (not in quotes) for a copy of my PGP key.

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