December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: "Deterrence"
by Robert A. Rosenberg 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 19:17 12/29/95, jim bell wrote: >In my essay, "Assassination Politics," I pointed out that it would be >relatively easy to deter such official-type actions if enough of us simply >said, "NO!" and denominated it in terms of dollars and cents. After all, >with four million Compuserve users, if they each were willing to donate a >penny to see this latter-day Fuhrer dead, that would be $40,000. (Pardon me >if I don't translate this into marks and other currencies.) [snip] >WHEN, exactly, would it be appropriate to act? This reminds me of a Science Fiction story by H. Beam Piper called "A Planet for Texans" where as part of the laws of the planet (and the oath of office) was a statement that the politician was representing the interests of ALL of their constituents. Every constituent had the legal right (and duty) to register any protests of the politician's actions _in-person_ with said politician. Such protest could take any form up-to-and-including killing the SOB on the spot. In the story, this right was illustrated by a small farmer being charged will killing a Senator by hacking him to death with a machete (all legal protests are required to be registered in person and use of long range techniques such as car-bombs or snipping with rifles is not regarded as a valid protest) and we are shown his trial. The charge is not killing the Senator (which is by law the farmer's right since he felt that the Senator was violating his oath of office by misrepresenting him) but whether, in exercising this right, he used excessive force out of proportion to the actions that was being protested.

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Re: (NOISE) Re: PLA_gue Germ Terrorism
by Robert A. Rosenberg 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 21:54 12/30/95, jonnyx wrote: > >Think that's fun? How 'bout this: given that the initial "mapping" >phase of the human genome project is nearly complete, and the huge >amount of genetic information available on the net, PLUS ever- >more-powerful-yet-less-costly computers anyone can purchase, just >how long do y'all think it'll be before some nut whips up a bug >that targets, say, people with negroid genetic characteristics? >Or epicanthic folds? Or blonde hair? This reminds me of a 1940's Novel by Science Fiction Author Robert A. Heinlein called "Sixth Column." In it the US has been conquered by an invasion from Asia and the resistance (such as it is) is a small Top Secret hidden US Army research center with some equipment that can act on people based on their genetic makeup. Thus when it is time to go after the invaders, it is done with guns that kill only Asians but have no effect on anyone-else.

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Re: Guerilla Internet Service Providers
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 14:17 1/1/96, Mike McNally wrote: >Seems to me at as soon as things like a general-purpose browser (and >associated TCP/IP stack & PPP or SLIP) becomes as easy to load up as >an AOL demo disk, and local ISP's are listed in the yellow pages, the >advantage of being able to pay a provider for nothing more than the >routing of IP packets so that the net as a whole can be explored (and, >perhaps, more services purchased) will FAR outweigh any of the goodies >the current big providers offer. But how many of them will be willing to forward certain newsgroups if doing so carries a mandatory 10 year prison term? Hint: count the number of narcotics dealers that advertize in your local yellow pages. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred.

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Re: SEY_use [NOISE]
by attila 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Mon, 1 Jan 1996, David Lesher wrote: > > > > > > the concept is interesting... diplomatic immunity is not automatic in > > that it implies diplomatic recognition. does a rogue state enjoy the > > privilege of obviously bogus diplomatic passports? the diplomatic > > passport is a "gentleman's agreement" to facilitate trading intelligence > > officers --sarcastic maybe, truthful? been there, done that. > > A Dip Passport does nothing of the kind. > come on, David. stated and "real" use are often quite different. I meant what I said, literally: "...been there, done that." it's nice to believe that governments are above board --they never have been, and never will be --and Bubba is a prime example. I would buy a used car from Tricky Dick long before I would from Bubba! power is not only corruption, it is _deceit_! BTW, I do not disagree with your "protocol" in the slightest. PNG, and the trading of PNGs has been around ever since the French seemed to their language dominate foreign affairs --however, persona non gratis is rather explicit. and, I still wonder how the host country will treat "bogus" DPs from rogue states if they have more DPs than real citizens. uncle has been getting less suble these days.... > You are awarded stutus by your placement by the host country, on their > Diplomatic List. If you are there, fine; otherwise... Now, you'll never > get on that list without a Dip. Passport & recipricol agreement but it's > not enough... > > Your name can be removed by the host at any time (PNG'ed) but some kind > of warning is necessary so you can leave the host country prior to > expiration of the status. (Not much, however! I recall one case where it > was _literally_ "Be on the 4pm plane, or else.") If you are out of the > country already, you won't be back. (One person was, and his cat became > the ""PNG Pussy"" as she was shipped home the next day.) > > The Dip List being out-of-date caused considerable embarrassment to the > US during our invasion of Panama. Marines raided the Nicaraguan > Ambassador's Residence because the out-of-date copy at the US Mission > showed the _old_ address. > > -- > A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz(a)nrk.com > & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX > Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 > is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 >

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Re: Guerilla Internet Service Providers
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 15:14 1/1/96, Mike McNally wrote: >Lucky Green writes: > > But how many of them [ IP providers ] will be willing to forward > > certain newsgroups if doing so carries a mandatory 10 year prison > > term? Hint: count the number of narcotics dealers that advertize > > in your local yellow pages. > >But an IP provider doesn't have to know that it's "forwarding" *any* >newsgroups; all it has to know is that IP packets are moving between >my PC and the outside world. It doesn't have any way of knowing what >those packets contain and doesn't want to. Some site in physical space has to host the nntpd, the ftpd, and the httpd. That site will be subject to search, seizure, and arrest and conviction of owner. If you don't have a host, there won't be any packets to forward. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred.

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Re: Canadian Cypherpunks [NOISE]
by markh＠wimsey.bc.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Is there some interest in a meeting of Canadian Cypherpunks? If > you are a Canadian (or an American who is fortunate enough to live near > our sainted shores ;-)) send me a private E-mail message. > Because Canada is such a big country, I propose that we start > with a meeting in Toronto or area. If there is enough interest, I will > arrange for a meeting place. I don't think it is any more practical to have "Canadian Cypherpunks" meetings than "U.S. Cypherpunks" meetings. Call them what they are, i.e. regional meetings, (e.g. areas around Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, Quebec, Calgary-Edmonton, etc.), but I suspect that most people are unlikely to travel in excess of 3000km for meetings which last a few hours. For example, I expect that Vancouverites are much more likely to travel to Seattle for a meeting than to Toronto. My point is, don't advertise what is really a Southern Ontario regional meeting as the meeting of "Canadian Cypherpunks". This would be like calling the S.F. Bay Area meetings the "U.S. Cypherpunks meetings". -- Mark Henderson -- markh(a)wimsey.bc.ca, henderso(a)netcom.com, mch(a)squirrel.com PGP 1024/C58015E3 fingerprint=21 F6 AF 2B 6A 8A 0B E1 A1 2A 2A 06 4A D5 92 46 cryptography archive maintainer -- ftp://ftp.wimsey.com/pub/crypto ftp://ftp.wimsey.com/pub/crypto/sun-stuff/change-sun-hostid-1.6.1.tar.gz

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CSPAN Currency Creation Hearings
by Wink Junior 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dave Feustel <feustel(a)netcom.com> on talk.politics.crypto mentioned that on Saturday morning CSPAN was broadcasting congressional hearings on "currency creation, during which smartcards, Ecash, encryption, privacy and government regulation of all of the above were discussed." There's supposed to be at least one rebroadcast. A brief review of the highlights would be very interesting. Wink -- winkjr(a)teleport.com

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Re: Guerilla Internet Service Providers
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 17:14 1/1/96, sameer wrote: >> Some site in physical space has to host the nntpd, the ftpd, and the httpd. >> That site will be subject to search, seizure, and arrest and conviction of >> owner. > > Said site, however, can be located in a different jurisdiction >than the laws. Seems to me that the laws are becomming unified on a global scale. The people in power all over the world have the same interests. To stay in power. The 'unregulated' Internet is in direct confilict with this interest. Since these powers make the laws, they will use the laws to reduce the threat the present day Internet presents. Will C2 carry certain newsgroups/info after doing so has become a felony? Who wants to be an 'illegal data' kingpin and face execution? (Kingpins are 'data trafficers' that carry more than 1.5 Megs of 'controlled information'.) -- Lucky -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred.

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Re: Who sent me this message?
by andr0id＠midwest.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>:-) As I can see. How did you generate this key? Are you using a >special version of PGP? > Well I didn't send the message but I also use an undocumented larger key with PGP. Read it in the book a friend got. (andr0id(a)midwest.net callsign: N9XLM) ( Computer Consulting & Management ) (P.O. Box 421 Cambria, IL 62915-0421) -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzCsIi4AAAEH/1hb5+tO/n99Nbppf0ImLJ6AaVZ3NlZP0ZHwRQor00uA129i d4zWixNXxc8t2auaqN+asV99LpIip3/nQzBnjydiumeBdGLF2PR9+6X8X/RrqKa1 dVIukxM5Agg2eM6ih+0J38hgKJ3qzKXSz6sjYmpaxvbXZoHHOLUk/ZtHUKvvEyPw hnJEYnut8NUnIeK56lqeqRw86yoeRKymbfCdjdpgeY2aRwK2FJts8sbb7Fs10s4y jgxWIxIipBznbGUTh1hb2XrLGPENwk3E/qqXQJEsrySbtwdl6VgTVQjhDDEJMitL DYeiQ3W5EgxfcdbM1j2FwYu3P/dM6Y0I8xLMYT0ABRG0NmFuZHIwaWRAb2ljdTgx Mi5jb20gKG9pY3U4MTIuY29tIHN5c3RlbSBhZG1pbmlzdHJhdG9yKYkBFQMFEDCs LO90C7R/GkJcSQEB01cH/0KC3sd+u4OxMku5378SJktoN6QIQYLJ7uVbuV4S51yK NAotCGf4Wl6wwjynzZvXKU0H87oDuMiq7FybgMNL2n+4bQIZi0iz0lIuzwoMDu63 NrHUW9Kz42pOnhrEhrdkHhHL9O5GgD1yc40fJ3qw5h7LQEjDxgypyw0IFILFc34u LeRLliNibxKp8JwAxXNHWSgxu28TQvmnkHi0AHP6tJ/uZYe+4dqJtrMMsYFjzZaz DPmxD+dzbTwlQKtJaP1ZkDI0Sr072wrZDv+G86GyGBMX2lpSafpRitnxuUttjU9o wsQ9Qo5xiH1nZRCs/bDzJe/gng+GHzevixDIITurtNA= =SgPT -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Re: Guerilla Internet Service Providers
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 23:30 1/1/96, Andreas Bogk wrote: >So I guess we'll need some computers in outer space, on offshore boats >or in well-bribed stable dictatorships. o Outer space: not very realistic o Offshore boats: see the fate of drug trafficers in international waters after the Coast Guard is through with them. o Stable dictatorships: Not stable enough to withstand an humanitarian mission by the US Army. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred.

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