December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Cell Kill 2
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Responding to msg by unicorn(a)schloss.li (Black Unicorn) on Sat, 27 Apr 10:46 PM >Watch your attributation. I didn't write this. True. The NYT op-ed author's credit: Robert A. Pape teaches government at Dartmouth College and is the author of "Bombing to Win: Air Power and Coercion in War." ---------- ET cites: http://www.yahoo.com/headlines/960427/news/stories/chechnya_10.ht ml Tension rose even higher after the Chechens announced that Dudayev, a former Soviet air force general, had been killed in a rocket attack as he spoke to a Russian parliamentarian on a satellite phone. ---------- Which leaves open who is spoofing who. Dimitri, are you laser-celling killfile disinfo?

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[;)] v2.0
by Dave Del Torto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

<http://www.well.com/user/ddt/info/jet-reply.html> (v2.0)

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Re: code vs cypher
by attila 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

** Reply to note from hochiminh(a)alpha.c2.org 04/26/96 8:31pm -0700 = Perry E. Metzger" <perry(a)piermont.com> writes: = = pm> tm> Timothy C. May writes: = pm> tm> Well, I was not invited to join the elite and secret = pm> tm> coderpunks list, = well, apparently that was not a problem. = pm> It is neither elite nor secret. It is fairly high signal to = pm> noise. = pm> I think only about one in every fifty or so cypherpunks = pm> messages has any content at all worth mentioning. = = Agreed! I wasn't "invited". I simply requested access and = was quickly welcomed to the list. = yes, and that was the intent. I do not think the intent of those of us who formed Coderpunks "conspired to form an elitest group." The basic problem was simple --even code topics were politicized in cypherpunks which resulted in scores and days of "re: " messages until someone finally prefaced it with [NOISE], or changed the subject. = pm> tm> but I still have some thoughts on coding and, = pm> tm> especially, on the opportunities offered by Java. = pm> tm> Sorry if this interferes with discussions of Rabbi = pm> tm> Heir and Morris Dees. = = pm> You have no right to grumble about the situation here. = pm> It is exactly what you wanted. Here you were, a person = pm> of some personal gravitas and moral authority, and you = pm> put your stamp on the "post whatever you like; don't let = pm> the grumbling censors stop you". Well, as you sow, so = pm> shall you reap. Its your fault, more than anyone else's. = = TC May was not the first person to substantialy digress from = chartered topics but he certainly "ran with the ball" when he = got his chance to expose his ignorance and intolerance of = other races and religions (the cypher-relevance or "charter = topicality of which always escaped me). I was discouraged = by the encouragement given to the murder advocating moron, = Jim Bell to post his insance littany. = as to jim bell, does this imply you believe in censorship? I think you are mistaken with your implication that tcmay is a racist. Bigotry, etc. is usually created in the mind of a reader who jumps to conclusions. I am somewhat older than tim, and I find the politically correct revisionism even more humourous (and very intellectually cheap): vertically challenged, horizontally challenged, mobility challenged, mentally challenged, or whatever the current fads are. and, to top it off, I am disgusted with the high and mighty moralism of the revisionists. I fully agree with EEO, but I thoroughly disagree with quotas and preferences. I have more than an even tendency to call a spade a spade, and I may live where guns tend to outnumber our many children, but the only way a stranger can be bounced from my table is to interfer with grace --and there are some, as they are attending for the extra plate which is always set, who would protest that my prayer offends them. does anybody still have manners? tim finds humour in many things --and, he has the courage to challenge the politically correct revisonism which is being shoved down our throats by a bigger and bigger, but certainly not better, creeping vine of vipers we call our government, which is nothing more than a ship of fools. = pm> If Cypherpunks has become a cesspit, well, its YOUR cesspit, = pm> Tim. Its the list you always strove to create, but it appears = pm> that you now don't like the smell of your own wallow. Well, = pm> sorry. Deal with it. = = Well put, Perry! well, the premise may be correct on what cypherpunks drifts into with the endless political back and forth --the open forum; however, the creation of the cesspit is not one party's fault --we _all_ have contributed to the problem --which is compounded by direct, on-line connections. so, how about a little moderation in all things? -- Overseeing first-rate programmers is a managerial challenge roughly comparable to herding cats. cc: Cypherpunks <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>

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Windows remailer source code
by Bob Bridgewater 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, Please could you tell me if you know of any remailer source code that will run under Windows NT3.51 to enable me to set-up a remailer myself. Somebody told me that one has been announced recently and you may know where to find this. Any suggestions would be welcome. Bob Bridgewater bob(a)bridgew.demon.co.uk

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Re: [WhoWhere?]
by Rich Graves 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

You wrote: > We would like to bring to your attention the WhoWhere? search engine at > URL: http://www.whowhere.com If you feel it is appropriate for the > Stanford community, we would appreciate a link from your "campus > directory"... > > WhoWhere? is an effort by a team from Stanford GSB and engineering school > and we would appreciate your support of our efforts. > > Please feel free to give us any feedback to enhance our service > to build the largest white pages community. Please unplug your server from the Internet immediately, and do not plug it back in until all database entries based on other than publicly available information have been scrubbed. Please refer any Stanford affiliates involved with your project to the thread concerning your activities in the su.computers newsgroup. Thank you. Have a nice day. -rich

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Re: CryptoAnarchy: What's wrong with this picture?
by mkj＠october.segno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sandy Sandfort wrote: > Income tax is the Godzilla of taxes. It is THE TAX when it comes > to the US. (Perhaps VAT has a similar status elsewhere, but both, > as pointed out, are subject to crypto-anarchistic subversion.) > > > ...taxes existed, and governments sustained themselves perfectly > > well, long before these systems arose. > > But at nowhere near the voracious levels of modern states. This is a point I hadn't considered. If the govt doesn't know where most of the money is, they can't "harvest" it nearly as efficiently. Although they will almost certainly try to extract as much as possible from the poor, you can't get blood from a stone. Hence the size of current governments will undoubtedly have to shrink. Most other arguments put forth so far in this thread, about how people "won't stand for" certain government behaviors and so forth, I don't find convincing. Modern military technologies, especially in the U.S., make the prospects of a sucessful popular uprising dubious. When you cut off someone's air supply, even the nicest, gentlest person will go into an unrestrained, murderous frenzy. I expect something similar will happen to even the most "civilized" governments within the next few years, as popular crypto begins to cut off their money supply. As I see it, only those relatively few citizens who can afford to flee will dare to resist. Which brings us to the "flight of capital" issue. Will nations be able to compete freely for the loyalty of the rich? Or will the most powerful nations form effective coalitions, and perhaps simply bomb "rogue" nations into the stone age? The more I contemplate my "simple" question of yesterday, the more I find myself getting into deep waters which I feel ill-equipped to navigate. I rapidly run up against such imponderable questions as, "What is government?" and "What is wealth, really?" Only one thing is certain: We live in interesting times! At any rate, I thank everyone for their thoughtful responses. --- mkj

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Re: [NOISE] Re: Guardian angels, the decency brigade, and
by Declan B. McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message begins here ---------- From: sethf(a)MIT.EDU Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 23:37:48 -0400 Message-Id: <9604270337.AA22787(a)frumious-bandersnatch.MIT.EDU> To: angels(a)wavenet.com Subject: Re: Guardian angels, the decency brigade, and cyberseraphim Cc: fight-censorship+(a)andrew.cmu.edu, mnemonic(a)well.com, cp(a)panix.com I have been researching the issue of ratings for some time, and thinking of getting a SafeSurf rating for a few pages as an experiment, so this "patrolling" is pretty interesting: "Gabriel" writes: > The answer is yes. So how can Safesurf be sure that sites registered with > them are indeed genuinely kidsafe? Simple - someone has to go and check > out all the sites who register with Safesurf. Now, would you be kind enough to tell me what happens next? Suppose you check out a site and find it is in your opinion not "kidsafe". What do you do in that case? This is not clear from your message. If the essence of the the SafeSurf system is "voluntary" ratings, are you not substituting your own standard? After all, in reference to Declan McCullagh's point about the fight-censorship archives, you say: "Why ask? Clearly a site with a message like this would not be suitable for children to read. That would be an adult site rating." Clearly then, you have some standard you are applying, which seems in this case be roughly "any archive which contains any message with any sexual content, no matter what the context or proportion, does not qualify as "kidsafe" in the CyberAngels view." So, in reality do we not have two standards here, the site's "voluntary" one, and the one the CyberAngels apply to the site? Only if the two coincide will all be well. Thus, is it not reasonable to ask that the CyberAngels at least make clear their criteria? I collect items such as this (ratings systems), I would be very interested in what the CyberAngels have come up with. ================ Seth Finkelstein sethf(a)mit.edu P.S. I don't know if you're a recent recruit or not, but Curtis Sliwa has a checkered history at best. Given the fabrications in the Angel's past, what can we expect in their future? References: AUTHOR: Goodstein, Laurie TITLE: Guardian Angels' Chief Clouds His Reputation SOURCE: Washington Post SEC,PG:COL: A, 3:1 DATE: Nov 29, 1992 ABSTRACT: Curtis Sliwa, founder of the Guardian Angels, has admitted that some of his 1980s exploits were fabricated to get publicity. AUTHOR: Gonzalez, David TITLE: Police Union to Sue Sliwa over Hoaxes SOURCE: New York Times SEC,PG:COL: B, 6:6 DATE: Nov 26, 1992 ABSTRACT: Ron Reale, the president of the New York City transit police union, said Nov 25, 1992 that his group would file a lawsuit against Curtis Sliwa, the founder of the Guardian Angels, on the grounds that he had injured the union's reputation by faking crime-fighting exploits in order to garner publicity for the Guardian Angels. AUTHOR: Gonzalez, David TITLE: Sliwa Admits Faking Crimes for Publicity SOURCE: New York Times SEC,PG:COL: B, 1:4 DATE: Nov 25, 1992 ABSTRACT: The Guardian Angels' founder and leader, Curtis Sliwa, admitted in a New York Post article on Nov 24, 1992 that he faked six of the group's early crime-fighting exploits to gain publicity. Some former and present associates contend that even more of the group's activities were publicity stunts. TITLE: Curtis Sliwa's Confession SOURCE: New York Times SEC,PG:COL: A, 32:1 DATE: Nov 27, 1992 ABSTRACT: An editorial wonders why so many New Yorkers got taken in by Curtis Sliwa, the Guardian Angels' leader who recently confessed that he and his Angels fabricated several exploits in order to gain public support.

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Re: [WhoWhere?]
by Gunjan Sinha 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am sorry if you misunderstood my previous email. We are ex-Stanford grad, not current students! The WhoWhere? database is collected through a combination of technolofy, partnerships, and self-registrations by end-users. Our content is from publicly available sources. We run crawlers for Newsgroups and WWW to collect our content. Several Thousand individuals come to WhoWhere? to add theor listing every day. Hope I have been able to clarify your confusion. Gunjan WhoWhere? Inc. > From llurch(a)networking.stanford.edu Sun Apr 28 04:54:21 1996 > Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 04:43:36 -0700 (PDT) > From: Rich Graves <llurch(a)networking.stanford.edu> > To: Gunjan Sinha <gunjan(a)parsecweb.com> > cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: Re: [WhoWhere?] > > You wrote: > > > We would like to bring to your attention the WhoWhere? search engine at > > URL: http://www.whowhere.com If you feel it is appropriate for the > > Stanford community, we would appreciate a link from your "campus > > directory"... > > > > WhoWhere? is an effort by a team from Stanford GSB and engineering school > > and we would appreciate your support of our efforts. > > > > Please feel free to give us any feedback to enhance our service > > to build the largest white pages community. > > Please unplug your server from the Internet immediately, and do not plug > it back in until all database entries based on other than publicly > available information have been scrubbed. Please refer any Stanford > affiliates involved with your project to the thread concerning your > activities in the su.computers newsgroup. > > Thank you. Have a nice day. > > -rich > >

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Keyserver at jpunix.com on WWW
by John A. Perry 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hello Everyone, I just got through implementing and testing Brian LaMacchia's code for WWW access to the PGP keyserver at jpunix.com. This means that the Web page for jpunix.com can now perform interactive, realtime searches and adds against the keyserver database. If you would like to try it, the URL is: http://www.jpunix.com/pks-toplev.html John Perry - KG5RG - perry(a)alpha.jpunix.com - PGP-encrypted e-mail welcome! WWW - http://www.jpunix.com PGP 2.62 key for perry(a)jpunix.com is on the keyservers. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Processed by mkpgp2.0, a Pine/PGP interface. iQCVAwUBMYN2llOTpEThrthvAQEyqwP5AT14+2NbvdXdEnr8nxaSUVcLUmA2M0+z PDdOXidleU4P5BesHe0cIO0FdrpLC7EHi7mhg3XgwEeooCv2wGsOf59oGGikaqSl 4WLEvoQQOftVQNeE5vv7mbiYo4M5CZBm/QSu1QK3SD37ohT/pRy+RFu0ldRuxrAl aPSro/koBN8= =pFGr -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: WWW Proxies?
by Mark M. 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On 27 Apr 1996, Ryan Russell/SYBASE wrote: > We use CERN proxies, as well as general purpose proxies, > which effectivly narrows it down to someone within my company. > > But, that only masks the IP address. My impression was that > most browsers hand out enough info about you at the application > layer that it does little good to mask the IP address. At least for > privacy purposes...address translation is a great firewall > model, IMHO. There are anonymous web proxies that remove the headers sent with the HTTP request. This way, it is impossible to track down the user without doing some sort of active monitoring of connections to the proxy. - -- Mark =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= markm(a)voicenet.com | finger -l for PGP key 0xf9b22ba5 http://www.voicenet.com/~markm/ | bd24d08e3cbb53472054fa56002258d5 "The concept of normalcy is just a conspiracy of the majority" -me -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBMYLrg7Zc+sv5siulAQH2OQP9EeKgA0L8ApKBd6D0EsgrsisgldIim7nY GFAPDZqde7wXI09Am5mSTcUOlGYojXiV6lxxB/UZ/Dq/7Q2ZaahhF+gPefnRKLtb VmHMK2mkkJB76OhUvMDC69FYg5IoZTe2yBhnYpaglu1oqK1DVSNMJTKKt27KPsWj lGCoDjdIKg8= =zk1P -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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