December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Shimomura on TV?
by Anonymous User 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: Michael C. Peponis <mianigand(a)unique.outlook.net> > To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > > Why let it bother you? You must understand that the majority of the ^^^^^^^^ > population of the United States is working class trash, the news ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hope you're including yourself in that. > media is just peddeling to the masses, just like the morons that hold ^^^^^^^^^ Can't spell - *must* be working class trash... > elected office. > > Regards, > Michael Peponis ^^^^^^^ Tell me: is the 'po' silent?

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web reference to PRZ FAX from US Atty
by Ed Carp [khijol SysAdmin] 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Got this off the web - it's a link to the letter that Phil got from the US attorney: http://www.eff.org/pub/Alerts/usatty_pgp_011196.announce U.S. Atty. DROPS PGP INVESTIGATION! - -- Ed Carp, N7EKG Ed.Carp(a)linux.org, ecarp(a)netcom.com 214/993-3935 voicemail/digital pager 800/558-3408 SkyPager Finger ecarp(a)netcom.com for PGP 2.5 public key an88744(a)anon.penet.fi "Past the wounds of childhood, past the fallen dreams and the broken families, through the hurt and the loss and the agony only the night ever hears, is a waiting soul. Patient, permanent, abundant, it opens its infinite heart and asks only one thing of you ... 'Remember who it is you really are.'" -- "Losing Your Mind", Karen Alexander and Rick Boyes -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMPXZYyS9AwzY9LDxAQG4BgP+PmA6GoUSMCpnvUfo+1v1MpFX0pdg66jN Foo5yuT+G2fIG1m+K4aVrZusPHhC+tHjx2kaMqn0ZSE9nC8U32blpt01+CE+xgp3 x4q5L6llkyEK4oWSrnjbZImcjm3VIrAiaj8S3+qGfAz3FEZ5ChJZ2Q4J91lsqv5z 3FY/xiKqu60= =Nrr2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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RE: Net Control is Thought Control
by blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Vladimir Z. Nuri the problem that "covert thought control" becomes more possible with an information age that does not handle identity in any "permanent" or "enduring" way. agent provocateurs etc. may be more difficult to identify and easier to create and maintain. in fact a single "government thought control agent" might be able to create and maintain dozens of convincing identities, all of them working to subtly manipulate the population's thinking without detection. (...) ........................................................................................................... I read the book, too, Nuri, and I think you overlooked an important point. It doesn't matter about the identity of the provocateur. It is the identity of the "target" which is crucial. It is when the prisoner in a psychologically restricted setting begins to identify with their agent-provocateur cell mates, to sympathize with and accept their ideology, that change in that prisoner's mind becomes possible and the thought control is achieved. This change in the prisoner's image of themselves is not so easily accomplished in a setting where they are free to leave, free to seek and hear other points of view - more importantly, the actual truth. "The primary effect of unfreezing is that it makes the prisoner seek information which will guide him in finding an adaptational solution to his problems. Such information can be gotten to some extent from the propaganda input to him via the mass media, lectures, loudspeakers, etc., but more likely is obtained from cell mates or interrogators who begin to be models of how to adapt successfully. The prisoner who has been unfrozen begins to treat the inter- personal cues he obtains from them as credible and valid, and begins to take their point of view seriously, where previously he may have paid no attention to it or even discounted it. " A mistake people make even when they are not physically imprisoned, is that they seek to benefit by association: they will accept an appearance of confidence as equivalent to knowledge, accepting the word of those who "seem to know", instead of searching for definite facts. They come to depend upon their identification with groups of such like-minded people, and thus get themselves in trouble when the whole herd is suddenly corralled and taken for a ride (by their leaders). Rather than worry so much about anyone's actual identity as a determining factor in what one will accept from them, I think it is much more critical to consider the content of the information they offer; to develop one's judgement (to "know how to know")so to be able to evaluate that information and make realistic decisions for one'self about what to support or what actions to take. .. Blanc

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archives
by don＠cs.byu.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

will whoevers maintaining the cpunk archives please check them, they don't have anything since new years. And while you're at it, please put in a mailto: link so that you can be informed directly that they're down, or do I have to cc to postmaster and root? Thanks Don

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Re: Popular Science on US Spysats - Part 1
by stevenw＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Friend, > > > 02 96 Popular Science runs a cover story, America's First Eyes > in Space. It's by Stuart Brown. It's about "a secret space > reconnaisance program known as Corona." Yawn. Didn't I ask you to stop posting garbage to the list? Please do not grace us with parts 2, 3 or whatever. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Weller | "The Internet, of course, is more | than just a place to find pictures | of people having sex with dogs." stevenw(a)best.com | -- Time Magazine, 3 July 1995

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Good Riddance to Wiesenthal and His Nazis
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 6:26 PM 1/10/96, Adam Shostack wrote: > The Wiesenthal center is very influential in Jewish circles. >Attacking them directly would probably be a bad idea, and create bad >associations for anonymity amongst Jews. (I'll come back to this.) I for one won't hesitate to criticize these Jew Nazis. Who cares if it "creates bad associations for anonymity amongst Jews"? If a Jew is put off by condemnation of the Wiesenthalistas and their pogrom against free speech, I say good riddance. Didn't those Jews learn anything? It wasn't "free speech" in pre-war Germany that led to the extermination of Jews, it was the rise to power (by a combination of circumstances involving a putsch, the Reichstag fire, a feeble ruler, hunger for strong leadership, dire economic conditions, and other factors) by Hitler and the placing of too much power in the hands of a central government. >methodology. There is also a difference between stopping skinheads >and stopping blacks, in that the skinheads decided to wear clothing >and tattoos that identify them as skinheads, and thus may more fairly >be asked to bear the consequences. So, wearing the wrong clothes because the clothes identify one as a member of a political group is grounds for being stopped by the police? "Asked to bear the consequences"? Since when? --Tim May (In case anyone is in doubt, I have no beef (or pork) with Jews. I think their religion is just another quaint Middle Eastern idol-worshiping cult, on a par with Islam and Christianity and Zoroastrianism. But I have been following the attempts by such Nazi Jews as the Simon Wiesenthal chapter Jews in L.A. to censor the Net--their first calls went out at least two years ago--and this latest sending of 200+ "advisory letters" to ISPs, if confirmed, will be their undoing. The Thule Network is already using Cypherpunks-type remailers, and this will only gain them more members.) We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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BIG NEWS: PRZ investigation dropped!
by John Gilmore 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Stanton McCandlish <mech(a)eff.org> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 11:53:46 -0800 (PST) Justice Dept. dropped investigation of Phil Zimmermann, declines to prosecute. They put out a press rel. about it, already got a journo call regarding this. More when I find it. -- <HTML><A HREF="http://www.eff.org/~mech/"> Stanton McCandlish </A><HR><A HREF="mailto:mech@eff.org"> mech(a)eff.org </A><P><A HREF="http://www.eff.org/"> Electronic Frontier Foundation </A><P> Online Activist </HTML>

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New Ecash Consumer Fee Schedule
by Frank O. Trotter, III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

----------------------------------------------------------- MARK TWAIN BANK (Member FDIC) ANNOUNCES NEW CONSUMER FEE STRUCTURE FOR ECASH See all the information at: www.marktwain.com or email us at: Ecash-info(a)marktwain.com Mark Twain Bank is rolling back consumer Ecash fees in reaction to the tremendous positive response to Ecash. "Because of the level of interest we have elected to reward users for their acceptance of Ecash," said Frank Trotter, Mark Twain Ecash project director. "Ecash represents the future of money and we want to make it available to all Internet users." Ecash enables you to control your money and your privacy while doing business on the Internet. The Ecash software is available free of charge when you sign up for an account. Once your application has been approved you can download the software directly from the Internet and start using Ecash right away! WORLD CURRENCY ACCESS ACCOUNTS ARE INSURED BY THE FDIC. AMOUNTS HELD IN THE ECASH MINT OF ON YOUR HARD DRIVE ARE NOT INSURED BY THE FIDC. NEW FEES FOR CONSUMERS ----------------------- There is no charge for movement of money within the Ecash system! Once the money is in Ecash you can do as many transactions as you like and it won't cost you anything more! There is only a charge to move money back and forth between your WorldCurrency Access account and the Ecash system (much like an ATM fee). Depending on the Schedule you select, and the balances you keep, there may be no monthly fee for your WorldCurrency Access account or for money movements between your WorldCurrency Access account and the Ecash Mint! That means a no monthly fee account is within your reach! -------------------------------------------------------- Remember that you can also earn interest by maintaining a balance over $2,500 in an interest bearing WorldCurrency Access account. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ SCHEDULE OF CHARGES You choose the option that suits you best: Schedule 1 Schedule 2 Schedule 3 ========================================================== Ecash Account Opening Fee $11.00 $25.00 $25.00 Monthly Fee: 1.00 2.00 5.00 Number of included monthly transfers in to Mint: 1 2 5 (any dollar amount!) Cost of transactions within Ecash system: Zero Zero Zero Average balance in WorldCurrency Access to waive Monthly Fee: $500 $750 $1,500 Cost per additional transfer to Mint: 3.00 2.00 1.00 Move money out of Mint: 5.00% 4.50% 4.00% (percent of balance transferred) Additional transfers to Mint and fees to move money out of Mint apply at all balance levels. ================================================= Explanation of fees: There are several types of fees that are designed to be easy to understand, and low where you want them to be low. 1) Ecash Account Opening fee - this covers the processing involved in setting up an account. 2) Monthly Maintenance Fee - low if you are an infrequent user - higher if you want to reduce your overall cost. The monthly fee covers the scheduled number of transfers to the Ecash system from your WorldCurrency Access Account, and each schedule type receive a different charge for transfers from the Ecash system Back to the WorldCurrency Access account. 3) Additional transfer fee - cost per additional transfer per month to the Ecash system from your WorldCurrency Access account- if you just do one large one per month then you may never need this. 4) Move money out of Mint - when you want to move your money from the Ecash system to your WorldCurrency Access account. To make this cost effective to you there is no minimum charge per transfer charge, only a charge based on a percentage of the balance transferred! 5) Average Balance in WorldCurrency Access to waive Monthly Fee: If you maintain this amount as an average daily balance for the entire interest payment period, the monthly fee will be waived. Additional transfer fees and "Move money out of Mint" fees will continue to apply and can result in a charge. Contact: Mark Twain Bank Frank O. Trotter, III Vice President Capital Markets Group Director International Markets Division ftrotter(a)marktwain.com Phone: +314-997-9213 Fax: +314-569-4906 ===========================================================

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Zimmermann case is dropped.
by Philip Zimmermann 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- My lead defense lawyer, Phil Dubois, received a fax this morning from the Assistant US Attorney in Northern District of California, William Keane. The letter informed us that I "will not be prosecuted in connection with the posting to USENET in June 1991 of the encryption program Pretty Good Privacy. The investigation is closed." This brings to a close a criminal investigation that has spanned the last three years. I'd like to thank all the people who helped us in this case, especially all the donors to my legal defense fund. Apparently, the money was well-spent. And I'd like to thank my very capable defense team: Phil Dubois, Ken Bass, Eben Moglen, Curt Karnow, Tom Nolan, and Bob Corn-Revere. Most of the time they spent on the case was pro-bono. I'd also like to thank Joe Burton, counsel for the co-defendant. There are many others I can thank, but I don't have the presence of mind to list them all here at this moment. The medium of email cannot express how I feel about this turn of events. -Philip Zimmermann 11 Jan 96 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMPDy4WV5hLjHqWbdAQEqYwQAm+o313Cm2ebAsMiPIwmd1WwnkPXEaYe9 pGR5ja8BKSZQi4TAEQOQwQJaghI8QqZFdcctVYLm569I1/8ah0qyJ+4fOfUiAMda Sa2nvJR7pnr6EXrUFe1QoSauCASP/QRYcKgB5vaaOOuxyXnQfdK39AqaKy8lPYbw MfUiYaMREu4= =9CJW -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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