December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

RE: Net Control is Thought Control
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 8:41 PM 1/10/96, David Mandl wrote: >P.S.: Regarding limits on "freedom of speech" in the U.S., take a look >at the long list Tim May posted a few months back. (I was scoffing at >Perry's claim that we had nearly complete freedom of speech in the >U.S., and then Tim responded with much more detail.) This may have been more than a "few" months back...maybe even more than several. I'm not sure when I wrote this, and I have too many megs of past messages to find it. The gist (without examples right now) is that the U.S. has a truly stunning amount of regulation of speech. Between regulation of professions, restrictions on product claims, the whole mess of tort law, and the various anti-discrimination and fairness laws, the only speech which is truly free is that of penniless idiots spouting off in public parks. The U.S. has few restrictions on speech in the form of prior restraint (that is, words do not have to be cleared by censors or approval boards, mostly), but a welter of post-speech sanctions. --Tim May We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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archives
by don＠cs.byu.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

will whoevers maintaining the cpunk archives please check them, they don't have anything since new years. And while you're at it, please put in a mailto: link so that you can be informed directly that they're down, or do I have to cc to postmaster and root? Thanks Don

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Good Riddance to Wiesenthal and His Nazis
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 6:26 PM 1/10/96, Adam Shostack wrote: > The Wiesenthal center is very influential in Jewish circles. >Attacking them directly would probably be a bad idea, and create bad >associations for anonymity amongst Jews. (I'll come back to this.) I for one won't hesitate to criticize these Jew Nazis. Who cares if it "creates bad associations for anonymity amongst Jews"? If a Jew is put off by condemnation of the Wiesenthalistas and their pogrom against free speech, I say good riddance. Didn't those Jews learn anything? It wasn't "free speech" in pre-war Germany that led to the extermination of Jews, it was the rise to power (by a combination of circumstances involving a putsch, the Reichstag fire, a feeble ruler, hunger for strong leadership, dire economic conditions, and other factors) by Hitler and the placing of too much power in the hands of a central government. >methodology. There is also a difference between stopping skinheads >and stopping blacks, in that the skinheads decided to wear clothing >and tattoos that identify them as skinheads, and thus may more fairly >be asked to bear the consequences. So, wearing the wrong clothes because the clothes identify one as a member of a political group is grounds for being stopped by the police? "Asked to bear the consequences"? Since when? --Tim May (In case anyone is in doubt, I have no beef (or pork) with Jews. I think their religion is just another quaint Middle Eastern idol-worshiping cult, on a par with Islam and Christianity and Zoroastrianism. But I have been following the attempts by such Nazi Jews as the Simon Wiesenthal chapter Jews in L.A. to censor the Net--their first calls went out at least two years ago--and this latest sending of 200+ "advisory letters" to ISPs, if confirmed, will be their undoing. The Thule Network is already using Cypherpunks-type remailers, and this will only gain them more members.) We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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New Ecash Consumer Fee Schedule
by Frank O. Trotter, III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

----------------------------------------------------------- MARK TWAIN BANK (Member FDIC) ANNOUNCES NEW CONSUMER FEE STRUCTURE FOR ECASH See all the information at: www.marktwain.com or email us at: Ecash-info(a)marktwain.com Mark Twain Bank is rolling back consumer Ecash fees in reaction to the tremendous positive response to Ecash. "Because of the level of interest we have elected to reward users for their acceptance of Ecash," said Frank Trotter, Mark Twain Ecash project director. "Ecash represents the future of money and we want to make it available to all Internet users." Ecash enables you to control your money and your privacy while doing business on the Internet. The Ecash software is available free of charge when you sign up for an account. Once your application has been approved you can download the software directly from the Internet and start using Ecash right away! WORLD CURRENCY ACCESS ACCOUNTS ARE INSURED BY THE FDIC. AMOUNTS HELD IN THE ECASH MINT OF ON YOUR HARD DRIVE ARE NOT INSURED BY THE FIDC. NEW FEES FOR CONSUMERS ----------------------- There is no charge for movement of money within the Ecash system! Once the money is in Ecash you can do as many transactions as you like and it won't cost you anything more! There is only a charge to move money back and forth between your WorldCurrency Access account and the Ecash system (much like an ATM fee). Depending on the Schedule you select, and the balances you keep, there may be no monthly fee for your WorldCurrency Access account or for money movements between your WorldCurrency Access account and the Ecash Mint! That means a no monthly fee account is within your reach! -------------------------------------------------------- Remember that you can also earn interest by maintaining a balance over $2,500 in an interest bearing WorldCurrency Access account. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ SCHEDULE OF CHARGES You choose the option that suits you best: Schedule 1 Schedule 2 Schedule 3 ========================================================== Ecash Account Opening Fee $11.00 $25.00 $25.00 Monthly Fee: 1.00 2.00 5.00 Number of included monthly transfers in to Mint: 1 2 5 (any dollar amount!) Cost of transactions within Ecash system: Zero Zero Zero Average balance in WorldCurrency Access to waive Monthly Fee: $500 $750 $1,500 Cost per additional transfer to Mint: 3.00 2.00 1.00 Move money out of Mint: 5.00% 4.50% 4.00% (percent of balance transferred) Additional transfers to Mint and fees to move money out of Mint apply at all balance levels. ================================================= Explanation of fees: There are several types of fees that are designed to be easy to understand, and low where you want them to be low. 1) Ecash Account Opening fee - this covers the processing involved in setting up an account. 2) Monthly Maintenance Fee - low if you are an infrequent user - higher if you want to reduce your overall cost. The monthly fee covers the scheduled number of transfers to the Ecash system from your WorldCurrency Access Account, and each schedule type receive a different charge for transfers from the Ecash system Back to the WorldCurrency Access account. 3) Additional transfer fee - cost per additional transfer per month to the Ecash system from your WorldCurrency Access account- if you just do one large one per month then you may never need this. 4) Move money out of Mint - when you want to move your money from the Ecash system to your WorldCurrency Access account. To make this cost effective to you there is no minimum charge per transfer charge, only a charge based on a percentage of the balance transferred! 5) Average Balance in WorldCurrency Access to waive Monthly Fee: If you maintain this amount as an average daily balance for the entire interest payment period, the monthly fee will be waived. Additional transfer fees and "Move money out of Mint" fees will continue to apply and can result in a charge. Contact: Mark Twain Bank Frank O. Trotter, III Vice President Capital Markets Group Director International Markets Division ftrotter(a)marktwain.com Phone: +314-997-9213 Fax: +314-569-4906 ===========================================================

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Re: Zimmermann case is dropped.
by Censored Girls Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CLAP!!! CLAP!!! CLAP!!! CLAP!!! At 03:35 AM 1/8/96 -0700, you wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >My lead defense lawyer, Phil Dubois, received a fax this morning from >the Assistant US Attorney in Northern District of California, William >Keane. The letter informed us that I "will not be prosecuted in connection >with the posting to USENET in June 1991 of the encryption program >Pretty Good Privacy. The investigation is closed." > -Philip Zimmermann > 11 Jan 96 > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: 2.6.2 > >iQCVAwUBMPDy4WV5hLjHqWbdAQEqYwQAm+o313Cm2ebAsMiPIwmd1WwnkPXEaYe9 >pGR5ja8BKSZQi4TAEQOQwQJaghI8QqZFdcctVYLm569I1/8ah0qyJ+4fOfUiAMda >Sa2nvJR7pnr6EXrUFe1QoSauCASP/QRYcKgB5vaaOOuxyXnQfdK39AqaKy8lPYbw >MfUiYaMREu4= >=9CJW >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- Member Internet Society - Certified BETSI Programmer - Webmistress *********************************************************************** Carol Anne Braddock (cab8) carolann(a)censored.org 206.42.112.96 My Homepage The Cyberdoc *********************************************************************** ------------------ PGP.ZIP Part [017/713] ------------------- M8H,),S$8G>&.WP(8IRA`-M['+`Q%&_C"">5-F%LX@<_Q$;*P'',Q$Z/AA[8M MF=O0H+*%(-S%&>S%+FS&<LS%3(Q&#W1"<]2%`H^;,]^1C$'HBN8PX$4SYAU^ MPGD<Q0ZLA0D+,`MCT!LA**4M[-JPAK9F?40!AJ,CW"'%DR#:'9?Q)3[%<DQ` ------------------------------------------------------------- for next chunk to export --> http://dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/export/

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RE: Zimmermann case is dropped.
by Cedric Tefft 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: owner-cypherpunks > To: cypherpunks > Cc: prz > Subject: Zimmermann case is dropped. > Date: Monday, January 08, 1996 3:35AM > > Return-Path: <owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com> > X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: uumaalox set sender to prz@maalox > using -f > Message-Id: <199601081035.KAA02532@maalox> > Subject: Zimmermann case is dropped. > To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com (Cypherpunks) > Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 03:35:46 -0700 (MST) > Cc: prz(a)acm.org (Philip Zimmermann) > From: Philip Zimmermann <prz(a)acm.org> > Reply-To: Philip Zimmermann <prz(a)acm.org> > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] > Content-Type: text > Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Precedence: bulk > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > My lead defense lawyer, Phil Dubois, received a fax this morning from > the Assistant US Attorney in Northern District of California, William > Keane. The letter informed us that I "will not be prosecuted in connection > with the posting to USENET in June 1991 of the encryption program > Pretty Good Privacy. The investigation is closed." > > This brings to a close a criminal investigation that has spanned the > last three years. I'd like to thank all the people who helped us in > this case, especially all the donors to my legal defense fund. Apparently, > the money was well-spent. And I'd like to thank my very capable defense > team: Phil Dubois, Ken Bass, Eben Moglen, Curt Karnow, Tom Nolan, and Bob > Corn-Revere. Most of the time they spent on the case was pro-bono. I'd > also like to thank Joe Burton, counsel for the co-defendant. > > There are many others I can thank, but I don't have the presence of mind > to list them all here at this moment. The medium of email cannot express > how I feel about this turn of events. > > > -Philip Zimmermann > 11 Jan 96 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: 2.6.2 > > iQCVAwUBMPDy4WV5hLjHqWbdAQEqYwQAm+o313Cm2ebAsMiPIwmd1WwnkPXEaYe9 > pGR5ja8BKSZQi4TAEQOQwQJaghI8QqZFdcctVYLm569I1/8ah0qyJ+4fOfUiAMda > Sa2nvJR7pnr6EXrUFe1QoSauCASP/QRYcKgB5vaaOOuxyXnQfdK39AqaKy8lPYbw > MfUiYaMREu4= > =9CJW > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > Chalk one up for the good guys. Thanks for hanging in there Phil. - Cedric

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Toad Hall
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Chapter 2 TOAD HALL In keeping with Internet nomenclature, Toad Hall acquired the Internet domain name toad.com, whose gateway to the rest of the world was a Sun SPARCstation computer in the building's basement. This digital domain was run by John and an eclectic band of programmers and hardware gurus, who together had a diverse political outlook, and while privacy was a priority, computer security at Toad was often pretty loose. ... For the past five years, Toad Hall had been Julia [Menapace]'s home -- for John Gilmore was the "other man," with whom her relationship had been souring even before she and I had met. During the Christmas holidays John was away visiting his relatives in Florida, and so Julia and I had Toad Hall to ourselves when we arrived around 4 P.M. on the afternoon of her flight from Nepal. John, now forty, was someone I'd known from hacker circles, and even as a friend, for a number of years. ... Initially he hadn't minded that Julia and I spent time backpacking together while he worked long hours on his new start-up, because hiking didn't interest him. But once Julia and I had become more intimately involved, things grew chilly between him and me. Julia and I sent out for dinner from an Italian place called Bambino's. When it came, we undressed and sank into the indoor hot tub, eating while we soaked. The upstairs bathroom in Toad Hall is an unusual room. It is faced with a white and pink marble floor and wainscoting surrounding a dark green jacuzzi tub and other fixtures. A large asparagus fern sits on the window ledge, centered above the cascading waterfall of the tub's larger faucet. The fronds of the fern tumble down toward the water. Julia had, put on a cassette tape of Karma Moffet playing Himalayan intruments, and then lit candles; the only other light came from four overhead spotlights that dimly illuminated each corner of the tub. "This is just amazing," Julia murmured through the steamy air. She said she had fantasized continually about a long soak in hot water while trekking in the frigid Himalayas, where water is carried by hand from its source and becomes hot only when heated over flames, and where there is never enough to sit in. And at high altitude in the Solu Khumbu region of Nepal, the only heat had come from the sun, the small cooking fire, and the occasional woodstove fueled by wood scraps or dung. While we ate Julia told me stories of her adventures. In the kitchen of a lodge where she stayed she met and befriended a Sherpa guide named Tshering and a mountain guide from Seattle named Rachel DeSilva, who had led a group of 12 women to climb a 6,000-meter trekking peak in the region named Mara. Afterward they had invited her to climb another mountain named Lobuche, which lay to the north toward Everest. She had made it to just below the summit. I sat entranced. "I wish I had been there too," was all I could find to say. Julia had spent her birthday at the Tengboche monastery to celebrate the Mani Rimdu festival. She showed me a red string necklace that she had received when a Tibetan Lama had blessed her on her thirty-fifth birthday. "Near noon that same day, I heard the sound of long horns, cymbals, and drums," she recalled. "Then an avalanche poured in slow motion down the south face of Ama Dablam." Later in the trip she had stopped at one point to watch a sunset over Everest through the gathering mist, and she said it was so stark and beautiful that she cried. "I thought of you," she told me, "and wished you were there to share it with me." As we soaked, I told her about what had happened to me while she was gone. When Julia left I had been waiting for a $500,000 per year research grant from the National Security Agency, the nation's electronic intelligence- gathering organization. The NSA has two missions: one, its foreign spying mission and the other its responsibility for the security of all the governments computers and communications. In the fall an information security division in the agency had told me they would fund a project permitting me to assemble a team of experts to do research in new areas of computer security. I was ready to go and I had commitments from people to start work, but the agency had dragged its feet for months. Finally I had gotten tired of being jerked around, and two of my researchers had been forced to take other jobs. "I thought everything would be ironed out and I'd come back to find you happily at work with your team," she said. "No it wasn't," I answered. "They're amazingly inept, just like any government bureaucracy." We talked for a while about the NSA and how so many people in the civil liberties community fear them as Big Brother as well as anyone associated with them, arguing that they become corrupted by association. But that had never seemed accurate to me. Everything I'd seen indicated they were a largely incompetent organization tied up in endless regulations that could do little good or evil. And people are quite capable of making up their own minds. "I don't want to deal with them," I said. "I'm sorry it didn't work out, Tsutomu," she said quietly. We soaked for a while, both of us lost in thought. Finally I changed the subject. "I want to tell you something I've been thinking about," I said. "I've thought about a lot of things while you were away. I'd really like to try having a committed relationship with you, if you're willing to." Julia smiled. She didn't say anything, but she reached over and held me closely. It seemed like we would now be able to share a lot of time together. I told her I'd taken a leave of absence from the universlty and now I was looking forward to skiing and getting away. I was finally pursuing my long-held plan to spend a winter in the mountains, spending the mornings and late afternoons skiing and the mid-days and evenings thinking and working on my research projects. "Why don't you come with me and live in the mountains?" I suggested. "You can come ski and it will be good to be outside." We woke at about 1 P.M. the next day and Julia -- who grew up on the East Coast and is still learning to deal with mild California winters -- told me that she had seen the first morning light before she fell asleep and thought to herself, *It's Christmas and there is no sign of it here.* She was still jet-lagged and also feeling what she feared was flu coming on. We decided to spend the day inside, catching up on talk and sleep. It was chilly out, so Julia turned up Toad Hall's central heat, still eager to soak up the warmth of civilization after two months in the Himalaya. A bit later, while she rested, I was walking around the house, and several times went past the Sun SPARCstation in the hallway. It was a reminder that I probably had new electronic mail, but I didn't feel like checking it. At just about that moment, however, ominous bits of data were flowing through the Ethernet cable that wound through Toad's rooms and hallways. From somewhere, perhaps thousands of kilometers away, an electronic intruder had taken control of toad.com by remotely commandeering the SPARCstation in the basement. And while the two of us spent the day together two floors above, the electronic hijacker was using toad.com as a staging base to launch an attack on the computers in my own beach house some 800 kilometers south. ----- From: "Takedown: The pursuit and Capture of Kevin Mitnick, America's Most Wanted Outlaw -- By the Man Who Did It," by Tsutomu Shimura, with John Markoff, Hyperion Press, a subsidiary of The Disney Company, 1996, 326 pp. $24.95. ISBN 0-7868-6210-6 [pp. 17-21] ---------- The author appears on NBC's Dateline tomorrow, January 12.

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Net Metaphor
by Bruce Baugh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Given that most people have neither the time nor interest to understand how the net really works, we need concise images that convey the truth. In particular, we need to get across to the net.unhip masses the idea that the net is not a "thing", not any single organization. I've recently begun using this metaphor: the Internet is a society, composed of all the systems that "speak" its computer protocols. In this it's like, say, the society of all English-speakers. The English-language society includes governments and businesses and churches and fraternal orders and magazines and all sorts of things, but it isn't any of them. And obviously there is nobody in charge of the English-language society as a whole - the language itself evolves over time (and changes across space), and no institution controls the whole show. When I've brought that up, I've all but seen lightbulbs go on over people's heads. Bruce Baugh bruceab(a)teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~bruceab

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Some questions about ecash[tm]
by David Murray 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Some questions that I send into the ether in the knowledge, or hope, that the great and the good are listening, and will enlighten me... (Since this exercise strikes even me as incredibly presumptious, feel free to ignore this. [It takes less energy than flaming. If you must flame, do it in private email - I'll post a summary to the list :-)]) 1. Has there been any significant/in-depth coverage of the Mark Twain Banks product in the financial/ banking press? Digicash's press file stops just before the launch, and Digicash/Mark Twain Banks press releases are not exactly what I'm looking for. 2. In the Digicash ecash tutorial (also referenced from MT's website) the example is given of Alice sending ecash to Cindy (Candy, Clarissa?). Cindy's bank checks with Alice's bank before crediting Cindy's wallet with the $5.00 sent. In MT's FAQ, they refer, somewhat wistfully, to a future where the ecash systems of different banks may be able to interoperate. How difficult would such interoperation be? Is this something that is inherent/built into the Digicash supplied bank system? Or would it require significant changes to the way things are done? Similarly, since the software supplied by Digicash to MT customers seems somewhat MT specific, how easy would it be for future ecash issuers to piggy back on MT's customer base? How about merchants? 3. The MT ecash[tm] project is repeatedly referred to as an experiment, a system in beta phase. Any word on when the experiment will be over, or what it is trying to prove/discover? The thrust of these questions, of course, is How easy will it be for the next eBank? And the one after that? Is Digicash ready for the move to multiple issuers? Does it have the resources to assist another institution to launch ecash this year? This month? One a month for the year? Whatever. Too many questions that cannot possibly be answered, even if there were answers to give... Dm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMPTVR1lo3j8JHzalAQG/JAP/dBNTMHdo4MP7TaIAZrKwMxt3U4fH/qsb TipYBcS8lgEgUsD9Pu/enIzxeEs52K6ARnq1BE6V/G1jxFVbfnLmfV6t6TWqRxSM 68FH3eX0+ZBGFGzDMmvOGWaibZETfHikv55q7ZuqYrnfZ+wrIPKlF+UGiNY3lJlw rpNkY3oBwqY= =0g2R -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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https & encrypted connections
by Don M. Kitchen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- First of all, let me apologize for not being very knowledgable about CA's and https and SSLeay, apache, and generating renegade (ie, your own) certificates. If someone wants to go over this [again] certainly it'd be welcome. I was today playing around with a Mozilla 2.0beta5 that someone gave me [more bells and whistles than my 1.12, but not much more bang for the buck] and was showing a friend all the nifty information that netscape tells about you when you visit sites, then went to c2 to show off the apache web server and when I tried to use https:// to show off how you can have your own encrypting web server for free and everything, a window popped up and said the certificate was expired. I couldn't really tell if it meant that the certificate that Sameer generated really needed to be updated, or if Netscape beta 5 had just been rigged to reject non-netscape certificates, but the end result was no encryption. (Jeff, if you're reading this, of course we know that Netscape, with it's open loving policies wouldn't do anything underhanded, but the thought does come to mind, and by the way, when are we going to see an option to turn off or control what information is passed out to the other end. Specifically, I'd like http://anonymizer.cs.cmu.edu:8080/prog/snoop.pl to come up nearly blank.) Soooo, anyway, I was wondering if anyone knows anything about the use of privately generated certificates. Yes, Jeff, we know that Netscape is jumping to fully support user-specified certificates, but personally I saw, relating to certificates, a lot of *nifty* options and displays, but really didn't see much in the way of anything that looked like "add". ...Looking forward to the day where end-to-end encryption is king, and the TLA, my competition, or anyone else can take their packet sniffer and kiss my butt. Don PS: my predictions on the PRZ-secretly-sold-out-rumor-index: 6. my predictions on the IQ of those making those claims: 6. (cumulative) woohooo Phil! - -- <don(a)cs.byu.edu> fRee cRyPTo! jOin the hUnt or BE tHe PrEY PGP key - http://students.cs.byu.edu/~don or PubKey servers (0x994b8f39) June 7&14, 1995: 1st amendment repealed. Junk mail to root(a)127.0.0.1 * This user insured by the Smith, Wesson, & Zimmermann insurance company * -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQB1AwUBMPXDV8La+QKZS485AQHkXwMAnGWVeLB6ntpkK1ksZ7a8+iklA/sPfIT2 XqqJRRX0Ddg2UuAAxmk6WOC/nxnRPRlM/4AkkaEohZRv14ccnlvv3qVGFxpLlxKG iYgbn1x9/xgHjwAB31HqozQix79wPfB/ =v9ni -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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