December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

SSZ Move Downtime - Tuesday - Reminder
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, Just a quick reminder that SSZ will be going down Tuesday morning and could be down for several hours. Please make appropriate plans for this outage. We will try to make it as quick as possible contingent upon SWBT getting both the POTS and ISDN installers on site within a reasonable time frame. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Any talk of limiting _existing_ crypto?
by jf_avon＠citenet.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > This mail is brought to you by the e$pam mailing list > From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > Subject: Any talk of limiting _existing_ crypto? > Integration with mailers and browsers may not even be such a good idea, as > the evolution of such products will cause obsolescence. What about add-on package to current e-mail packages that does not contain crypto but makes the interface between crypto programs and e-mail client (pgpjn for pegasus, Private Idaho, etc) ? Are they regulated too? -- Jean-Francois Avon, Pierrefonds(Montreal) QC Canada DePompadour, Societe d'Importation Ltee Finest of Limoges porcelain and crystal JFA Technologies, R&D consultants physicists and engineers, LabView programing. PGP encryption keys at: http://w3.citenet.net/users/jf_avon http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html ID# C58ADD0D : 529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891 ID# 5B51964D : 152ACCBCD4A481B0 254011193237822C

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Nightmare Scenario: Public Key Distribution Controlled
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Distribute a key, go to prison." How does the New World Order limit the use of strong crypto without "key recovery" when so many copies of older, pre-ban crypto are already out there? Simple, by declaring that public keys themselves are crypto material, as the Brits did in their Trusted Third Parties draft proposal, and hence declaring that distribution of keys after the effective date of the legislation constitutes a violation. Give someone your key, either by placing it on keyservers or even by mailing it to them, and one has just "distributed" crypto. This will make the public key infrastructure essentially useless, as the public key servers go down, as corporations yank any directories they may have, and (possibly) as individuals stop putting PGP or S/MIME fingerprints or pointers in their messages. How possible is this? Recall that the British proposal formally classified key material, the keys themselves, as cryptographic products. The language of the current unSAFE and Procto-CODE draconian bills, still changing of course as committees rewrite them to be more Big Brotherish, is vague on what constitutes crypto. If language is inserted making keys part of the bills, or if "interpretations" by Defense, Commerce, etc. make this determination, then there goes the infrastructure, even for already-distributed keys. Sure, underground use will continue. And those with PGP, and keys, may well have a reasonable defense in court, arguing that the program *and* the keys they used were already in their possession prior to the effective date of the legislation. But the effect would be chilling to almost any normal use of these programs. This is my latest nightmare scenario. --Tim May There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 09:30:20 -0700 >To: jf_avon(a)citenet.net, cypherpunks(a)algebra.com >From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> >Subject: Re: Real issue of crypto controls: security or taxation loss? >Cc: e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com .... >Read the real list. > >As a comment, sometimes when I try to "reply to all" to these messages >from folks reading digests, I get "you are not a member of this list" or >"this is a private list" messages. > >Fine, but it's why I won't waste time on folks who may not even see what I >write unless I address it to them personally. > >JF, get a decent mailer and get on the real list if you want to participate. Indeed, as I expected, e-spam sent me this message: " Your message could not be processed because you are not a subscriber to the list. If you believe you received this message in error, you can contact the list administrator at: <Postmaster(a)vmeng.com>" There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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17 Dec '03

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Re: The problem of playing politics with our constitutional rights (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 12:48:21 +0000 (GMT) > From: Doug Geiger <runexe(a)ntplx.net> > Subject: Re: The problem of playing politics with our constitutional rights > > Government is like the biggest company > > in the nation, with no profit pressure to restrain bureaucracy. > > I wonder what would happen if we created competition for the gov't. Say, > make each state compete with each other, attempting to 'sell' services > (roads, welfare, real estate, etc.) for the cheapest rates (taxes). That > might force the gov't to radically change. One might say that exists now, > as people can choose the state they're in. But what if the state were not > restricted to only 'selling' within state lines, and the federal gov't had > competition as well? A true capitialist-democrasy. > > Just some random thoughts. Not so random, since this is exactly what the founding fathers wanted until a bunch of bozo's went and created the 14th Amendment... ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: HEY!!! WAS: The Next Hack
by dmandl＠panix.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:31 AM 9/23/95, Mike McNally wrote: >David Mandl writes: > > Looks like we've got a perfect candidate for the first Official > > Cypherpunks Press Release, folks. > >Then sign me off. If something that inane were to go out with the >word "cypherpunk" affixed to it, I'd cringe. It could only be worse >if it ended with the catchphrase "hack the planet". Sigh. In case there was any misunderstanding, it was a JOKE. I was making a comment about "Censored Girl's" loony-bin post as well as recent proposals that we should be issuing official press releases. Surely my subtle sense of humor isn't THAT subtle. Here: :-) --Dave. -- Dave Mandl dmandl(a)panix.com http://wfmu.org/~davem

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? Me?
by carolann＠censored.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What? Me? Write a Cypherpunks Press Release? Love Always, Alfreda E. Newman -- Member Internet Society - Certified BETSI Programmer - Webmistress *********************************************************************** Carol Anne Braddock (cab8) carolann(a)censored.org 206.42.112.96 My Homepage The Cyberdoc *********************************************************************** ------------------ PGP.ZIP Part [017/713] ------------------- M8H,),S$8G>&.WP(8IRA`-M['+`Q%&_C"">5-F%LX@<_Q$;*P'',Q$Z/AA[8M MF=O0H+*%(-S%&>S%+FS&<LS%3(Q&#W1"<]2%`H^;,]^1C$'HBN8PX$4SYAU^ MPGD<Q0ZLA0D+,`MCT!LA**4M[-JPAK9F?40!AJ,CW"'%DR#:'9?Q)3[%<DQ` ------------------------------------------------------------- for next chunk to export --> http://dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/export/

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Step One: We admitted
by carolann＠censored.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

We admitted we were powerless over the prospect of a Cypherpunk Press Release. That our coding had become unmanageable....... Love Always, Carol Anne Coketrader -- Member Internet Society - Certified BETSI Programmer - Webmistress *********************************************************************** Carol Anne Braddock (cab8) carolann(a)censored.org 206.42.112.96 My Homepage The Cyberdoc *********************************************************************** ------------------ PGP.ZIP Part [017/713] ------------------- M8H,),S$8G>&.WP(8IRA`-M['+`Q%&_C"">5-F%LX@<_Q$;*P'',Q$Z/AA[8M MF=O0H+*%(-S%&>S%+FS&<LS%3(Q&#W1"<]2%`H^;,]^1C$'HBN8PX$4SYAU^ MPGD<Q0ZLA0D+,`MCT!LA**4M[-JPAK9F?40!AJ,CW"'%DR#:'9?Q)3[%<DQ` ------------------------------------------------------------- for next chunk to export --> http://dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/export/

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Re:
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:15 PM 9/23/95 DST, you wrote: >Again, we're Spammed by a moron. >Time to fire up the old remailers! >[At least they do this on weekends, when we have >time for creative revenge!] Hehehehehe... Either that or someone left their terminal logged in. The only better way to assure a quick and painful death would have been to post them to a Black Panther's mailing list. Oh well... Evolution in action! | Minister of Forced Caffinization in the DNRC | alano(a)teleport.com | |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmerman unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | | -- PGP 2.6.2 key available on request -- | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.teleport.com/~alano | <fnord> |

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