December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Government shows its hand...good news!
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: > > At 8:12 PM -0700 9/9/97, Declan McCullagh wrote: > >Let me clarify my earlier comments. The language sez Defense & Commerce > >together can veto crypto exports, and: > > > >"Decisions made by the Secretary of Commerce with the concurrence of the > >Secretary of Defense with respect to exports of encryption products under > >this section shall not be subject to judicial review." > > Then this is _not_ the sense in which you seemed to be implying that the > Supreme Court would be precluded from declaring the law unconstitutional. Read it and think about it... This kind of bureaucratic dildo is a subtle way of affording the Lying Nazi Fucks (TM) in power a way to _interpret_ the law unconstitutionally without having it subject to "judicial review." Ipso facto, you are mucho fuckedo by an unconstitutional interpretation of a constitutional law. Add to the above, the fact that unelected semi-secret committees of administration appointees will be exchanging bum-buddy favors with the people doing the interpreting, and you will find a set of 'established' procedures--from the White House down to the lowly clerk that stamps "Denied" on your application to speak your native tongue during overseas phone calls--which will _support_ the fascist's case if you ever _do_ manage to get them into court. (Much like the post of our Cpunk avon lady who sent the CFA post down showing how the Alberta lawyer got suckered into comparing his stance against gun registration to an 'established' unconstitutional law against handgun registration.) The deciding factor in a case such as this, from my experience, is when the government whines about the terrible burden they would be placed under if they were forced to go out and by an "Accepted" rubber-stamp, at which point the judge decides that this would take away from the available funds for nuclear warheads, and then National Security would be compromised. Ruling: Citizens, assume the position. PositionMonger

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Re: House National Security committee guts SAFE, worse than no b
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Michael, you once again fail to note the important political issues here. Sometimes civil liberties, freedom, and constitutional rights must be ignored in favor of pragmatism. It is important at all costs to remain a player in the game. Instead of opposing bad crypto legislation, we should instead work inside the process, to gain a seat at the table. That is why it is highly significant that both Commerce and FBI want to rid us of our freedom but would do it in subtly different ways. -Declan On Tue, 9 Sep 1997, Michael Sims wrote: > Jonah Seiger wrote: > > > None the less, this is much bigger than a quibble over details, > > IMHO. There are important policy implications of this language. And > > politically, it is extremely significant that Reinsch would be > > critical at all, considering that the Committee voted to > > substantially undercut the bill (one of Reinsch's top priorities). > > Perhaps you missed this nuance. > > Well, I know that *I* feel much better now that I know about this > nuance. Knowing that the rulers of this country have significant > differences about who should control the universal key management > and encryption infrastructure once it's in place (who gets the Power) > really eases my concerns. Thank you. > > > -- Michael Sims >

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Re: FBI calls for mandatory key escrow; Denning on export ctrls (fwd)
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 We have batted this around and around ... I am curious though what the more legal-oriented among us feel the current wording portends for us ... say it gets passed ... just what will be the legal status of the use of non-GAKked crypto? There is little question that steganography will be raised to a high art form under these proposals. That not withstanding, I would just like to get a feel for exactly where it leaves the current PGP et al. community? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNBYbJsdZgC62U/gIEQKB+ACgplZ/gmiKJEQgM5syzV2u1ls1LpsAn3Th 7veoktJjakAcKVzXTi8m0L+9 =ws+o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Brian B. Riley --> http://www.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys - Send Email Subject "Get PGP Key" "Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men." -- Ayn Rand - The Fountainhead (1943)

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Re: House National Security committee guts SAFE, worse than no b
by Lizard 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:47 PM 9/9/97 -0700, Declan McCullagh wrote: >Lizard, I'm not sure if I should take your post as a compliment to my >writing abilities or an insult to my politics, but you should be aware >that my post about giving up freedom to play political games was entirely >facetious. Perhaps I should be more explicit in the future, but sometimes >it ruins the spoof. > You know, I once pointed out the same spoof when you tried it a few months back, and this time, I fell for it hook, line, and sinker. Hold on, time for the excuse-o-matic roll roll roll a)It's late. b)My cat was on the keyboard. c)Er...I was kidding too. Heh heh...uh...yeah. d)The sad thing is, there's people who *would* say that, and mean it.

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Re: Nuclear Hedge Funds / Social Engineering in History / Wiretap DiFi
by Sean Roach 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:01 PM 9/8/97 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote: ... >On the other hand, 0.5 kt of ANFO in the basement wasn't quite enough >to take the towers out. ... The version that I read was that the truck was merely parked next to a pillar hoping that that would do it. The guys weren't physics majors. With enough people here who speak in pure math, there might be a few who could calculate the best spot for such a device based on blueprints of the building. My opinion, one place the charges primarily along one side. The north one. That way, when the columns give, the building falls on more of Manhattin. BOOM! Timberrr.. This is speculation, of course. Purely for academic consideration and all that.

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Re: Bright, Loud and Quick OR...?
by Sean Roach 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:20 AM 9/9/97 -0500, Frank wrote: > "Building a nuclear capability would cost $1 billion or more, require 1,300 engineers, and take years. Developing biological weapons could cost less than $100,000, require five biologists, and take just a few weeks, using equipment that is readily available almost anywhere in the world." Science News 5/18/96 ... >Disregarding the creative chemistry experiments available under your sink and around the house, but considering the way the government and media can characterize any assortment of household items or literature a question arises - If you have meat in your refrigerator do you in fact have the basis for a biological weapon of mass destruction? The fact that many foods can be readily converted (by improper handling or outright negligence) to poisons can beg the question of whether having food in your posession does not constitute a health hazard to your children. AND we all know that the well being of one child is what it is all about. Don't we? ... Don't disregard them too quickly. I can't remember the name of the fungus, or the toxin extracted from it, (and my science and technology encyclopedias are 2 hours away), but there is a common fungus found in soil. This is the stuff that can survive high temp treatment. IF memory serves, it's botulism, that is no guarantee. Anyway, this toxin was listed in the text that I have access to as being one of the strongest known to man. And it is literally under your feet. Of course I don't know how to distill it, but I could probably make some guesses.

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17 Dec '03

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Net Papa: Global Internet Taxes Inevitable
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The other shoe just stepped on a banana peel... Cheers, Bob Hettinga --- begin forwarded text Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 19:57:48 +0200 (MET DST) To: dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu, cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net Subject: Net Papa: Global Internet Taxes Inevitable From: nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) Organization: Replay and Company UnLimited X-001: Replay may or may not approve of the content of this posting X-002: Report misuse of this automated service to <abuse(a)replay.com> X-URL: http://www.replay.com/remailer/ Sender: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) (09/09/97; 12:00 p.m. EDT) By Douglas Hayward, TechWire GENEVA -- Internet taxes are inevitable, according to the man dubbed the "Father of the Net." The only way to avoid global chaos is to create an international agreement on how to do it, added Vint Cerf at a meeting of the Internet Society here. Cerf co-developed the TCP/IP[LINK] protocol on which all Web and Net transaction depend. ...Taxation of the Internet, also called "bit taxes," must be well planned, Cerf said. "And it must also be thought through on a global scale -- not parochially," he said. In the United States. alone, there are 30,000 taxing authorities that might be interested in taxing transactions on the Internet, said Cerf, adding that right now, there is no way to determine which of those authorities should have jurisdiction over a particular transaction. ..."If something is becoming an infrastructure that is important for people's daily lives, then governments will have the right to be concerned about the public's safety and well-being," Cerf said. "When you build roads, you make rules about how people are to behave on these roads, in order to protect people." TW http://192.215.107.71/wire/news/1997/09/0909tax.html For help on using this list (especially unsubscribing), send a message to "dcsb-request(a)ai.mit.edu" with one line of text: "help". --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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Re: House National Security committee guts SAFE, worse than no bill
by Syniker＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>>Perhaps it's time to dare the Feds to prosecute you. Any volunteers?<< Me. Whatever anyone else does, I'm going to first... ignore any government mandates or law on crypto [use it anyway] then, challenge them... and finally, defy them. Period. That's where I'm at. And, I'm going to tell them that's what I'm going to do. On any website I can. Larry.

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by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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