Net Papa: Global Internet Taxes Inevitable
The other shoe just stepped on a banana peel... Cheers, Bob Hettinga --- begin forwarded text Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 19:57:48 +0200 (MET DST) To: dcsb@ai.mit.edu, cypherpunks@cyberpass.net Subject: Net Papa: Global Internet Taxes Inevitable From: nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) Organization: Replay and Company UnLimited X-001: Replay may or may not approve of the content of this posting X-002: Report misuse of this automated service to <abuse@replay.com> X-URL: http://www.replay.com/remailer/ Sender: bounce-dcsb@ai.mit.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) (09/09/97; 12:00 p.m. EDT) By Douglas Hayward, TechWire GENEVA -- Internet taxes are inevitable, according to the man dubbed the "Father of the Net." The only way to avoid global chaos is to create an international agreement on how to do it, added Vint Cerf at a meeting of the Internet Society here. Cerf co-developed the TCP/IP[LINK] protocol on which all Web and Net transaction depend. ...Taxation of the Internet, also called "bit taxes," must be well planned, Cerf said. "And it must also be thought through on a global scale -- not parochially," he said. In the United States. alone, there are 30,000 taxing authorities that might be interested in taxing transactions on the Internet, said Cerf, adding that right now, there is no way to determine which of those authorities should have jurisdiction over a particular transaction. ..."If something is becoming an infrastructure that is important for people's daily lives, then governments will have the right to be concerned about the public's safety and well-being," Cerf said. "When you build roads, you make rules about how people are to behave on these roads, in order to protect people." TW http://192.215.107.71/wire/news/1997/09/0909tax.html For help on using this list (especially unsubscribing), send a message to "dcsb-request@ai.mit.edu" with one line of text: "help". --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah@shipwright.com), Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/
(09/09/97; 12:00 p.m. EDT) By Douglas Hayward, TechWire
GENEVA -- Internet taxes are inevitable, according to the man dubbed the "Father of the Net." The only way to avoid global chaos is to create an international agreement on how to do it, added Vint Cerf at a meeting of the Internet Society here. Cerf co-developed the TCP/IP[LINK] protocol on which all Web and Net transaction depend.
Jeez. I'm glad I sold all my Cerf shares at www.roguemarket.com
...Taxation of the Internet, also called "bit taxes," must be well planned, Cerf said. "And it must also be thought through on a global scale -- not parochially," he said. In the United States. alone, there are 30,000 taxing authorities that might be interested in taxing transactions on the Internet, said Cerf, adding that right now, there is no way to determine which of those authorities should have jurisdiction over a particular transaction.
Its amazing that Cerf doesn't even understand the implications of the network that he designed. Or maybe he does understand and just doesn't like the fact that big bro is getting cut out of his future utopia.
..."If something is becoming an infrastructure that is important for people's daily lives, then governments will have the right to be concerned about the public's safety and well-being," Cerf said.
Yes and they've done such a good job protecting the public's safety and well-being. I don't remember the constitution spelling out anything about "governments rights". Just the feds and states limited powers. If paranoia was on the agenda, someone would be shouting New World Order at this point. ;-)
Jim Burnes Engineer, Western Security, SSDS Inc jim.burnes@ssds.com ---- When the world is running down Make the best of what's still around - Sting
GENEVA -- Internet taxes are inevitable, according to the man dubbed the "Father of the Net."
Funny thing to claim, given that the European Commission of all has already rejected Internet taxes half a year ago. "To allow electronic commerce to develop, it is vital for tax systems to provide legal certainty (so that tax obligations are clear, transparent and predictable), and tax neutrality (so there is no extra burden on these new activities as compared to more traditional commerce). Electronic trade in goods and services clearly falls within the scope of VAT, in the same way as more traditional forms of trade do. There is therefore no need to intoduce new, alternative taxes, such as a bit tax within the EU." -- http://europa.eu.int/en/comm/dgiii/press/970416ae.htm
..."If something is becoming an infrastructure that is important for people's daily lives, then governments will have the right to be concerned about the public's safety and well-being," Cerf said. "When you build roads, you make rules about how people are to behave on these roads, in order to protect people." TW
Sure. Why are there no airbags in those datagrams, yet?
On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Ulf =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=F6ller?= wrote:
GENEVA -- Internet taxes are inevitable, according to the man dubbed the "Father of the Net."
Funny thing to claim, given that the European Commission of all has already rejected Internet taxes half a year ago.
Bit taxes are inevitable. The European Commission has rejected new taxes for now since doing so at the time generated a higher PR benefit than could have been purchased from the tax revenue. That will change. The EU, just as the USG, will change the tune before long. Understand that I am not saying that they will change their mind. They mind to establish a bit tax is already made up. Just as they had made up their mind years ago to ban any and all use of non-GAK crypto by private citizens. [It is against the very nature of government to leave a revenue source untapped forever].
Sure. Why are there no airbags in those datagrams, yet?
There will be airbags in datagrams. Or the equivalent of airbags. Thanks to IP v6, authenticated datagrams can trivially be mandated. Naturally, authentication of datagrams will be mandated once the government is increasingly faced with the "negative" side effects of the Internet. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred
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