December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

"Use implies consent to monitoring"
by Rishab Aiyer Ghosh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In the InterNIC notice on fees for domain names that marks the end of an era, (http://rs.internic.net/announcements/fee-policy.html) I noticed this gem of a postscript: Please be advised that use constitutes consent to monitoring (Elec Comm Priv Act, 18 USC 2701-2711). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Indian Techonomist - newsletter on India's information industry http://dxm.org/techonomist/ rishab(a)dxm.org Editor and publisher: Rishab Aiyer Ghosh rishab(a)arbornet.org Vox +91 11 6853410; 3760335; H 34 C Saket, New Delhi 110017, INDIA

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RE: Mixmaster status
by loki＠obscura.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:58 AM 9/15/95, Russell Nelson wrote: <SNIP> > While I have not discussed it, I can not imagine that there would not also > be a free version of the server code (with source). Without remailers what > is the point of the client software? > >I'm confused here. Isn't every copy of mixmaster potentially a client >and/or server? That seems to me to be one of the beautiful aspects of >mixmaster -- run a remailer and you greatly increase your own privacy. > > I would like to see that continue, although I think that the Windows and Mac versions are likely to be client only. Since I am putting my reputation behind those statements, I don't want to box myself in. -Lance ---------------------------------------------------------- Lance Cottrell loki(a)obscura.com PGP 2.6 key available by finger or server. Mixmaster, the next generation remailer, is now available! http://obscura.com/~loki/Welcome.html or FTP to obscura.com "Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra. Suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night the ice weasels come." --Nietzsche ----------------------------------------------------------

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San Diego Cypherpunks Physical Meeting
by Chris Claborne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

San Diego Area CPUNKS symposium Thursday, Sep. 21, 1995 Invitation to all Cypherpunks to join the San Diego crowd at "The Mission Cafe & Coffee Shop" were I hope to get an update of Lance Cottrell's new anonymous e-mail server, "mixmaster", exchange keys. Don't forget to bring your public key fingerprint. If you can figure out how to get it on the back of a business card, that would be cool. Hopefully Lance Cottrell will give us an update on Mixmaster 2.0.2 Place: The Mission Cafe & Coffee Shop 3795 Mission Bl in Mission Beach. 488-9060 Time:1800 Their Directions: 8 west to Mission Beach Ingram Exit Take west mission bay drive Go right on Mission Blvd. On the corner of San Jose and mission blvd. It is located between roller coaster and garnett. It's kind of 40s looking building... funky looking (their description, not mine) They serve stuff to eat, coffee stuff, and beer. See you there! New guy, bring your fingerprint. Drop me a note if you plan to attend. NOTE: My e-mail address, "chris.claborne(a)sandiegoca.attgis.com" permanently replaces my .ncr.com address. Both address work for now but NCR address will eventually be killed. 2 -- C -- ... __o .. -\<, Chris.Claborne(a)SanDiegoCA.ATTGIS.Com ...(*)/(*). CI$: 76340.2422 http://bordeaux.sandiegoca.attgis.com/ PGP Pub Key fingerprint = A8 FA 55 92 23 20 72 69 52 AB 64 CC C7 D9 4F CA Avail on Pub Key server. PGP-encrypted e-mail welcome!

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===>> FREE 1 yr. Magazine Sub sent worldwide- 315+ Popular USA Titles
by janet.dove＠ledip.py 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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The owner thinks of his service as a "club" and his clients as "members" (even though there is no extra fee to become a member - your first purchase automatically makes you a member) and he is real picky about who he accepts as a new member. When he sets you up as a new member, he himself calls you personally on the phone to explain how he works his deal, or sometimes he has one of his assistants call. He is kind of quirky sometimes - he insists on setting up new members by phone so he can say hi to everyone (I sure wouldn't want to have his phone bills!), but you can place future orders (after your first order) via E-mail. He has some really friendly young ladies working for him, who seem to know just as much as he does about this magazine stuff. If you live overseas, he will even call you there, as long as you are interested, but I think he still makes all his overseas calls on the weekends, I guess cause the long distance rates are cheaper then. 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Re: CYPHERPUNK considered harmful.
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:25 PM 9/15/95, Peter Trei wrote: >Tim, I don't want to take your toy away, or minimize the acheivements It's not "my toy" for anyone to take away. The burden of proof lies with those who want the name "Cypherpunks" changed, not those who are happy to let things go as they've been going. Look, you've written a couple of long pieces explaining why a more conservative name would be better, I've written some pieces on why it's not a very workable idea, and yet I doubt anyone on the list has changed their views. Or at least only a very tiny fraction. The point being that things gain inertia, just the way it is. History counts. Names stick. But if you and your follows wish to change things, go ahead and have a schism. That's what the Protestants did, once they realized the Catholic Church wouldn't be changing it's system anytime soon. --Tim May ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: [LONG} Funding Cypherpunks Projects
by Sean Roach 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:54 PM 9/7/97 -0400, Robert Hettinga wrote: >At 3:35 pm -0400 on 9/3/97, Tim May wrote: ... >Certainly a bass-ackward way to do it. Unfortunately, that's the way Disney >did it, or L.B. Mayer did it, or Gates, or Edison, or Parekh did it. They >had a picture in their head of the way the world worked, or should work, >they did things, as cheaply as possible, which should work in that picture, >and they were right. They still invested something, is my point, whether it >was their money or their time, or their inspiration. ... Gates? The closest he had to a grand vision is being able to predict the financial gain behind programming computers. That in my opinion was marketing savvy, not a grand vision, for lack of a readily available substitute. You know about traf-o-data. This was a far cry from what he now has. He rode the wave by changing with the times, hedging his bets, being in the right place at the right time, etc. That, however is about all I know as the book he wrote was a little too basic alone the lines of my interests for my tastes and I had to put it down for more enjoyable activities like staring at the wall. When I can next stomache reading more kindergarten level computer analogies, I'll finish reading his book. ... >> Asking Jim Clarke or Bill Gates to opine on his strategies for success is >> not quite as pointless, but is not real useful either. Ask also Manny >> Fernandez about Gavilan Computer. Or ask the financiers of Ovation, >> Processor Technology, Mad Computers, Symbolics, Thinking Machines, Trilogy, >> or a hundred other examples of companies that burned through a billion >> dollars of hard-earned investor money. ... Interesting note. I heard that the guy that started Thinking Machines is now an imagineer at one of the evil empires. Who would have thought that one of the guys responsible for parallel computing development would now be building theme park rides. BTW. I love this little game of artistic response. It actually reads like a conversation and makes it a whole lot easier to take the origional post out of context. Remind me to use line numbers when I respond to one of your posts with a long message. Or at least number the paragraphs. Not that it would matter.

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Re: GAK patents, anyone?
by Sean Roach 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:34 AM 9/9/97 +0200, Anonymous wrote: ... >----- >http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/com/sol/notices/terrog.txt >----- > >Petitioning to Make Special Patent Applications Relating to >Inventions For Countering Terrorism > >New patent applications are normally taken up for >examination in the order of their effective United States >filing date. However, the Commissioner may provide that a >patent application will be advanced out of turn for >examination if a petition to make the patent application >special under 37 CFR 1.102(c) or (d) is granted. > >On July 31, 1996, Vice President Gore stated that "[i]t is >imperative that those seeking to prevent terrorist >activities have all of the tools necessary to accomplish >their task." In view of the importance of developing >technologies for countering terrorism and the desirability >of prompt disclosure of advances made in these fields, the >Patent and Trademark Office is establishing a new category >for petitions to accord "special" status to patent >applications relating to counter-terrorism inventions. >International terrorism as defined in 18 U.S.C. 2331 is >"activities that >(A) involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life >that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United >States or of any State, or that would be a criminal >violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United >States or of any State; (B) appear to be intended (i) to >intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to >influence the policy of a government by intimidation or >coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by >assassination or kidnaping." ... Back up just a minute. Aren't inventions protected if the patent is pending? If not, why do such well known companies who undoubtly have savvy legal council produce products stamped "patent pending"? Is this just a way of forcing those who take this special treatment to bow to additional government restrictions? An action which they would have to do as if they didn't, a competitor might get the inventors idea patented before the inventor? Sounds more like a manner to place certain inventions that are crucial to "national security" under tighter regulations. How long before they expand the definition? Because, if they impose additional contractual conditions upon the advanced patent, this could mean that crypto could be regulated constitutionally in the future by regulating who the inventor could share it with.

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Government filed 9th Circuit Bernstein brief asking for full stay
by John Gilmore 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Today the Government filed a 22-page brief arguing to the 9th Circuit Court that it would be so injurious to the national security for Prof. Bernstein to be able to publish his Snuffle 5.0 software on the Internet, that a complete stay of Judge Patel's injunction is needed. They also propose that the entire appeal be done on an expedited basis. The brief is accompanied by two seven-page personal declarations, one from William P. Crowell, Deputy Director of NSA, and one from William A. Reinsch, Under Secretary for Export Administration. These will be up as page images on the Web shortly, under http://www.eff.org/pub/Privacy/ITAR_export/Bernstein_case/Legal/ John Gilmore

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Re: Removing Tyranny from Democracy (Part II), was Democracy is the true enemy...
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Democracy is as tyrannical as any other system if rights aren't respected. >In those cases where limited government might have to make a decision >concerning all, and there is time to debate the issue, democracy (either >representative or direct) is the most just method. I see what we have at the moment is a tyranny over the majority by the tiny minority of the population that happen to hold the reigns of power ... look at what Freeh et al. is trying to do ... shoving it right down our throats ... as we all used to say after Nam ... BOHICA! Brian B. Riley --> http://www.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys - Send Email Subject "Get PGP Key" "...if you drink much from a bottle marked 'poison,' it is almost certain to disagree with you, sooner or later" -- Lewis Carroll

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Re: Gao's Chaos Cryptosystem Algorithm
by Sean Roach 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:28 PM 9/8/97 PDT, Nobuki Nakatuji wrote: > >> >>I will just repeat Prof. Choate's question, how do you generate Ch. >> >> >Ch generate > >begin >Xn+1=aXn(1.0-Xn) >return Xn+1 >end > >Do you understand Japanese ? >If you understand Japanese, >I will send theis of Gao's Chaos Cryptosystem to you. > I don't understand Japanese, barely got through discrete structures, and hate calculus. But I'd like to see the source for the aXn() function.

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