December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by Smitty 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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List of reliable remailers
by Raph Levien 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I operate a remailer pinging service which collects detailed information about remailer features and reliability. To use it, just finger remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu There is also a Web version of the same information, plus lots of interesting links to remailer-related resources, at: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/remailer-list.html This information is used by premail, a remailer chaining and PGP encrypting client for outgoing mail. For more information, see: http://www.c2.org/~raph/premail.html For the PGP public keys of the remailers, finger pgpkeys(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu This is the current info: REMAILER LIST This is an automatically generated listing of remailers. The first part of the listing shows the remailers along with configuration options and special features for each of the remailers. The second part shows the 12-day history, and average latency and uptime for each remailer. You can also get this list by fingering remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu. $remailer{'cyber'} = '<alias(a)alias.cyberpass.net> alpha pgp'; $remailer{"mix"} = "<mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek ksub reord ?"; $remailer{"replay"} = "<remailer(a)replay.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut post ek"; $remailer{"jam"} = "<remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca> cpunk mix pgp hash middle latent cut ek"; $remailer{"winsock"} = "<winsock(a)rigel.cyberpass.net> cpunk pgp pgponly hash cut ksub reord ?"; $remailer{'nym'} = '<config(a)nym.alias.net> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"squirrel"} = "<mix(a)squirrel.owl.de> cpunk mix pgp pgponly hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{'weasel'} = '<config(a)weasel.owl.de> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"reno"} = "<middleman(a)cyberpass.net> cpunk mix pgp hash middle latent cut ek reord ?"; $remailer{"cracker"} = "<remailer(a)anon.efga.org> cpunk mix remix pgp hash esub latent cut ek reord"; $remailer{'redneck'} = '<config(a)anon.efga.org> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"bureau42"} = "<remailer(a)bureau42.ml.org> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"neva"} = "<remailer(a)neva.org> cpunk pgp pgponly hash cut ksub ?"; $remailer{"lcs"} = "<mix(a)anon.lcs.mit.edu> mix"; $remailer{"medusa"} = "<medusa(a)weasel.owl.de> mix middle" $remailer{"McCain"} = "<mccain(a)notatla.demon.co.uk> mix middle"; $remailer{"valdeez"} = "<valdeez(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"arrid"} = "<arrid(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"hera"} = "<goddesshera(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"htuttle"} = "<h_tuttle(a)rigel.cyberpass.net> cpunk pgp hash latent cut post ek"; catalyst(a)netcom.com is _not_ a remailer. lmccarth(a)ducie.cs.umass.edu is _not_ a remailer. usura(a)replay.com is _not_ a remailer. remailer(a)crynwr.com is _not_ a remailer. There is no remailer at relay.com. Groups of remailers sharing a machine or operator: (cyber mix reno winsock) (weasel squirrel medusa) (cracker redneck) (nym lcs) (valdeez arrid hera) The remailer list here has been out of date for some time, but should be up to date now. I'm still working on updating the web page. Last update: Mon 4 Aug 97 6:47:45 PDT remailer email address history latency uptime ----------------------------------------------------------------------- redneck config(a)anon.efga.org *##-+##**#** 4:41 99.98% squirrel mix(a)squirrel.owl.de -++-+------ 2:40:53 99.96% cracker remailer(a)anon.efga.org +++-++++++** 21:28 99.96% weasel config(a)weasel.owl.de +++-+-+-+-- 1:48:16 99.95% cyber alias(a)alias.cyberpass.net **-++*****+* 11:47 99.88% nym config(a)nym.alias.net *-+###*####+ 20:38 99.88% winsock winsock(a)rigel.cyberpass.net ------------ 5:48:23 99.83% mix mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com -*-++***+*+* 46:32 99.80% arrid arrid(a)juno.com *++++-+- + 1:06:16 98.51% replay remailer(a)replay.com * ** ***- 15:25 97.91% reno middleman(a)cyberpass.net +*+ + +++- 55:18 93.85% neva remailer(a)neva.org + +*-- ++* 2:52:22 92.55% jam remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca +*-- +** 2:25:28 88.85% hera goddesshera(a)juno.com -------- - 3:36:00 83.26% valdeez valdeez(a)juno.com --- 4:14:27 14.58% History key * # response in less than 5 minutes. * * response in less than 1 hour. * + response in less than 4 hours. * - response in less than 24 hours. * . response in more than 1 day. * _ response came back too late (more than 2 days). cpunk A major class of remailers. Supports Request-Remailing-To: field. eric A variant of the cpunk style. Uses Anon-Send-To: instead. penet The third class of remailers (at least for right now). Uses X-Anon-To: in the header. pgp Remailer supports encryption with PGP. A period after the keyword means that the short name, rather than the full email address, should be used as the encryption key ID. hash Supports ## pasting, so anything can be put into the headers of outgoing messages. ksub Remailer always kills subject header, even in non-pgp mode. nsub Remailer always preserves subject header, even in pgp mode. latent Supports Matt Ghio's Latent-Time: option. cut Supports Matt Ghio's Cutmarks: option. post Post to Usenet using Post-To: or Anon-Post-To: header. ek Encrypt responses in reply blocks using Encrypt-Key: header. special Accepts only pgp encrypted messages. mix Can accept messages in Mixmaster format. reord Attempts to foil traffic analysis by reordering messages. Note: I'm relying on the word of the remailer operator here, and haven't verified the reord info myself. mon Remailer has been known to monitor contents of private email. filter Remailer has been known to filter messages based on content. If not listed in conjunction with mon, then only messages destined for public forums are subject to filtering. Raph Levien

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Third Eternity Server Operational
by Mike Duvos 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

There is a third eternity server at http://moloko.insync.net/eternity Enjoy! -- Mike Duvos $ PGP 2.6 Public Key available $ enoch(a)zipcon.com $ via Finger $ {Free Cypherpunk Political Prisoner Jim Bell}

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"The Big Sellout," on self-labeling, from Time
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Netly is running Josh Quittner's column in this week's Time Magazine as our story today. It's about the perils of self-labeling systems for the Net, especially for news organizations. Stop by and check it out. Also, on p48-49 of this week's magazine is a look at censorware programs and public libraries. It's called "Censor's Sensibility: Are Web filters valuable watchdogs or just new online thought police?" Bruce van Voorst and I worked on the story from the Washington bureau. (It's not on pathfinder.com yet, so you'll have to pick up a physical copy.) Also, stop by our Netpolitics chat area where we're discussing self-labeling and censorware: http://cgi.pathfinder.com:80/cgi-bin/boards/read/206/9 -Declan --- http://pathfinder.com/netly/opinion/0,1042,1247,00.html The Netly News Network (http://netlynews.com/) August 4, 1997 The Big Sellout by Joshua Quittner (quittner(a)pathfinder.com) The greatest threat to free speech these days is coming from the most unlikely quarter: journalists. It's happening - where else? - on the Net. A self-appointed council of "industry representatives," including people from the Wall Street Journal, the Newspaper Association of America, CNET, Wired and - no surprise! - Microsoft, is debating whether the online world might be a safer, happier place if a subcommittee of the council decides what's news and what's not. Anything deemed "not news" would be forced to submit to a rating system or risk being blocked by software browsers. And being blocked on the Web could mean extinction for small, independent-minded online publishers - the very folks who have benefited most from the Internet revolution. The whole thing reeks of the powerful beating up on the weak. The roots of the betrayal go back to June 1996, when the notion of rating Web content first took off. That was when Microsoft forced its myriad web sites to adopt a system that analyzes content according to the degree to which it contains sex, nudity, violence or obscene language. The official reason for this was to make the Net a "safe place" without government censorship - which made sense, I guess, given that the Supreme Court had not yet ruled the Communications Decency Act unconstitutional. It also made good business sense for Microsoft to adopt an idea that adds value to one of its key products, the Internet Explorer. Explorer is the second-most popular browser on the Web; a software component that gives parents the option to filter out the naughty bits is a big selling point. But what's good business for the software industry is nonsense for journalism - as the folks who run Microsoft's news web site quickly realized. [...] ------------------------- Declan McCullagh Time Inc. The Netly News Network Washington Correspondent http://netlynews.com/

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Humor: Extracts from the News of the Weird mail list
by Paul Bradley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

* In March, armed with evidence that a drug dealer had been killed with a single gunshot during a robbery by two men, Torrance, Calif., district attorney Todd D. Rubenstein obtained separate jury convictions of both men for firing the fatal shot. Both robbers' guns had fired, but one missed, and a conclusion as to which one could not be drawn from ballistics tests. Rubenstein asserted confidently to one jury that Stephen Edmond Davis, 19, shot the man, and just as confidently to the other jury that it wasn't Davis, but rather John Patrick Winkleman, 19. * Former Prestonburg, Ky., school board member Wood R. Keesee, 59, filed a lawsuit in May against a female court clerk to whom he had allegedly loaned money in 1996. Under the terms of the $1,800 loan, according to Keesee, she was to have 18 sexual encounters with him, but when she stopped after three, he filed the lawsuit.

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cta983.htm
by Damaged Justice 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[1]Score big with your contacts. Click here for ACT!3.0 U.S. government stepping in to sort out Net domain names WASHINGTON - Concerns about the future of how Internet domain names will be managed got an airing during a two-day forum last week. But how those concerns may get addressed remains unresolved. The domain name issue has drawn a lot of attention lately. The company that has a virtual monopoly on popular names, Network Solutions Inc. (NSI), has been notified that it will not have its contract renewed in April 1998. Many say that will bring much needed competition. Recently, the Clinton administration has gotten involved in the issue on various levels. The Justice Department is investigating NSI's role as a primary domain name registrar. Beyond that, the Departments of Commerce and State are looking into a plan, issued three months ago by the Internet International Ad Hoc Committee (IAHC), that would increase the amount of domain names (designations such as .com and .org) used on the Internet. The plan also expands the worldwide management of those names so that up to 28 new registrars may be added. The administration's involvement came after many businesses complained about the proposed plan's lack of protection for trademark and intellectual property rights. A two-day forum to address such concerns was held here Wednesday and Thursday. Sponsored by the Information Technology Association of America and other Internet groups, it was attended by representatives of the Clinton administration, businesses and advocates. "We have to keep the Internet community talking," says ITAA president Harris Miller. Domain names are essentially addresses for the Internet. Companies, agencies or groups apply for an individual address within such domains as .com, .gov, or .org. As use of the Internet has grown, companies have put increasing importance on obtaining and protecting domain names related to their companies. When entities apply to NSI, it charges $100 to register new addresses for two years and $50 annually to renew them. NSI then finds an Internet number, just like a telephone number, to correspond with the domain address. Many have complained about NSI's inability to quickly provide domain registrations. In its proposed stock offering, NSI says it is cooperating with the Justice Department inquiry. And at the forum, NSI CEO Gabe Battista said that sharing management of .com, .net and .org domains was "on the table." The U.S. government has nurtured the Internet to its present strapping status from its birth in 1969 as the Defense Department's Advanced Research Projects Agency network. "We're very anxious to support its transition to full-fledged adulthood," says Commerce Department spokesperson Becky Burr. "But we don't just let our children grow up and do whatever they want." The Internet community usually seeks to avoid government intervention, but so far, U.S. government's actions have been met with approval. Among complaints about the international plan is that it did not have adequate participation by Internet service providers or groups representing individual citizens, plus it gives too much power to the Geneva-based International Telecommunication Union. "Our customers are not well-served by (the plan's) rapid resolution," says William Schrader, president of PSINet, a large commercial Internet service provider. "The government has held back on purpose. But there is a time governments can assist, and this is one of those times." The State Department has asked for more information on the Geneva agency's role in the management of proposed new domains, among them .firm, .rec and .web. The Commerce Department takes public comments until Aug. 18. The Ad-Hoc Committee continues its plan and is taking registrar applications. But, says committee member Dave Crocker, an Internet e-mail pioneer, "We'll all keep talking." By Mike Snider, USA TODAY _________________________________________________________________ * [2]Go to High-tech index * [3]Go to Life Front * [4]Go to Lifeline * [5]Go to Money Front * [6]Go to Moneyline * [7]Go to News Front * [8]Go to Nationline _________________________________________________________________ * [9]Go to Web Traveler [10][ISMAP] 08/04/97 - 09:58 AM ET - Click reload often for latest version References 1. http://www.usatoday.com/cgi-bin/redir?SpaceID=104&AdID=913&URL=http://www.s… 2. http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/ct000.htm 3. http://www.usatoday.com/life/lfront.htm 4. http://www.usatoday.com/life/digest/ld1.htm 5. http://www.usatoday.com/money/mfront.htm 6. http://www.usatoday.com/money/digest/md1.htm 7. http://www.usatoday.com/news/nfront.htm 8. http://www.usatoday.com/news/digest/nd1.htm 9. http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/cyber1.htm 10. http://www.usatoday.com/maps/botrib.map

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Ponzi Schemes (was Re: non-censorous spam control)
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Vulis wrote: >A similar scheme in Russia by an organizaton called "MMM", run >by the Mavrodi bothers, left a large number of "investors" >holding the bag. Interestingly, one of the Mavrodi brothers >is now in Russian jail (awaiting trial), and the other one is >still running a pyramid scheme: he accepts "voluntary donations" >from an investor, in return for a "voluntary donation" at a later >date whose amount and time are not guaranteed and depend on >the "donations" collected from others. The Russian government >does not shut down Mavrodi's latest operation so far, claiming >it's not "fraud" since he doesn't misrepresent the source of >his returns nor the risks involved. Reportedly so far he's >getting oodles of investors and pretty good returns. Eventually >of course his scheme will collapse, but the "investors" who >got in and out early enough will have made good money. Can you say "Wall Street?" Because that's exactly how it operates right now. The money being thrown at the stock market today is not "investing," it's simply a pyramid scheme. >A similar scheme recently brought down the government of Albania. >Reportedly the investors who got in late in the game and didn't >get the returns they expected (or actually lost their investments) >demanded that the gubmint reimburse them for their losses (by >taxing the money from the more intelligent Albanians). When >the idiots want the gubmint to protect them from their own >idiocy, the gubmint happily uses this excuse to screw not only >those who would fleece the idiots, but everyone. This is what happened when the US Savings & Loans Banks in the Southwest failed in the 80's. All of the people who lost money were bailed out by the FDIC, which of course is funded by taxpayer money. The final figure was approximately $500 billion, depending on whose estimates you believe. So the idiots who didn't do their homework and put money into a bogus S&L were bailed out by everyone else who was smart enough to know better. And, of course, the fraudsters (one of whom was the son of then Vice-President George Bush) got away with a slap on the wrist. Go figure. MoneyMonger

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by freegift＠S&Bmail.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Financial Cryptography '98 Call for Papers
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 18:40:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: online.offshore.com.ai: list set sender to fc97-request(a)offshore.com.ai using -f Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 00:06:32 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ray Hirschfeld <R.Hirschfeld(a)cwi.nl> To: ray(a)cwi.nl Subject: Financial Cryptography '98 Call for Papers Resent-From: fc97(a)offshore.com.ai X-Mailing-List: <fc97(a)offshore.com.ai> archive/latest/65 X-Loop: fc97(a)offshore.com.ai Precedence: list Resent-Sender: fc97-request(a)offshore.com.ai Financial Cryptography '98 Second International Conference February 23-26, 1998, Anguilla, BWI CALL FOR PAPERS General Information: Financial Cryptography '98 (FC98) is a conference on the security of digital financial transactions. Meetings alternate between the island of Anguilla in the British West Indies and other locations. This second meeting will be held in Anguilla on February 23-26, 1998. FC98 aims to bring together persons involved in both the financial and data security fields to foster cooperation and exchange of ideas. Original papers are solicited on all aspects of financial data security and digital commerce in general, including Anonymous Payments Fungibility Authentication Home Banking Communication Security Identification Conditional Access Implementations Copyright Protection Loss Tolerance Credit/Debit Cards Loyalty Mechanisms Currency Exchange Legal Aspects Digital Cash Micropayments Digital Receipts Network Payments Digital Signatures Privacy Issues Economic Implications Regulatory Issues Electronic Funds Transfer Smart Cards Electronic Purses Standards Electronic Voting Tamper Resistance Electronic Wallets Transferability Instructions for Authors: Send a cover letter and 12 copies of an extended abstract to be received by November 17, 1997 (or postmarked by November 7, 1997 and sent via airmail) to the Program Chair at the address given below. The extended abstract should start with the title, the names of the authors, and an abstract followed by a succinct statement appropriate for a non-specialist reader specifying the subject addressed, its background, the main achievements, and their significance to financial data security. Submissions are limited to 15 single-spaced pages of 12pt type. Notification of acceptance or rejection will be sent to authors no later than January 12, 1998. Authors of accepted papers must guarantee that their paper will be presented at the conference. Proceedings: Proceedings of the conference will be published by Springer Verlag in their Lecture Notes in Computer Science (LNCS) series. Preproceedings will be available at the conference, but final versions will not be due until afterwards, giving authors the opportunity to revise their papers based on presentations and discussions at the meeting. Instructions and deadlines for submission of final papers will be sent later to authors of accepted papers. Rump Session: In addition to the regular conference program, a rump session will be held to provide an opportunity for less formal presentations. Although the rump session will be organized during the conference itself, any advance proposals may be sent to the Program Co-Chair at the email address given below. Rump session contributions will not appear in the conference proceedings. Stipends: A very limited number of stipends may be available to those unable to obtain funding to attend the conference. Students whose papers are accepted and who will present the paper themselves are encouraged to apply if such assistance is needed. Requests for stipends should be addressed to one of the General Chairs. Registration: Information about conference registration and on travel, hotels, and Anguilla itself will follow in a separate general announcement. There will be special discount registration rates for authors of accepted submissions, full-time academics, and students. Workshop: A workshop, intended for anyone with commercial software development experience who wants hands-on familiarity with the issues and technology of financial cryptography, is planned in conjunction with FC98, to be held during the week preceding the conference. For information, please contact one of the General Chairs. Send Submissions to: Rafael Hirschfeld FC98 Program Chair CWI Kruislaan 413 1098 SJ Amsterdam The Netherlands email: ray(a)cwi.nl phone: +31 20 592 4169 fax: +31 20 592 4199 Send Rump Session Contributions to: Matthew Franklin FC98 Program Co-Chair email: franklin(a)research.att.com Program Committee: Matt Blaze, AT&T Laboratories--Research, Florham Park, NJ, USA Antoon Bosselaers, Katholieke Universiteit Leuven, Leuven, Belgium Yves Carlier, Bank for International Settlements, Basel, Switzerland Walter Effross, Washington College of Law, American U., Washington DC, USA Matthew Franklin, AT&T Laboratories--Research, Florham Park, NJ, USA Michael Froomkin, U. Miami School of Law, Coral Gables, FL, USA Rafael Hirschfeld, CWI, Amsterdam, The Netherlands Alain Mayer, Bell Laboratories/Lucent Technologies, Murray Hill, NJ, USA Moni Naor, Weizmann Institute of Science, Rehovot, Israel Frank Trotter, Mark Twain Ecash/Mercantile Bank, St. Louis, MO, USA Doug Tygar, Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh, PA, USA Moti Yung, CertCo LLC (formerly: Bankers Trust E-Commerce), New York, NY, USA General Chairs: Robert Hettinga, Shipwright, Boston, MA, USA email: rah(a)shipwright.com Vincent Cate, Offshore Information Services, Anguilla, BWI email: vince(a)offshore.com.ai Exhibits and Sponsorship Manager: Julie Rackliffe, Boston, MA, USA email: rackliffe(a)tcm.org Workshop Leader: Ian Goldberg, Berkeley, CA, USA email: iang(a)cs.berkeley.edu Those interested in becoming a sponsor of FC98 or in purchasing exhibit space, please contact the Exhibits and Sponsorship Manager. A copy of this call for papers as well as other information about the conference will be available at URL http://www.cwi.nl/conferences/FC98. --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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Re: forged cancels (Re: Entrust Technologies's Solo - free download)
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

wireinfo <wireinfo(a)phoenix.net> writes: > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > >On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > > > >> ? the Platypus {aka David Formosa} <dformosa(a)st.nepean.uws.edu.au> writes: > >> > >> > Nno one is arugeing that. Both sides in this debait aggry that that is > >> > REAL BAD thing. Spam cancelers use an objective rules. > > > >[...] > > You're not very bright are you David? In my humble opinion David is pretty bright. Unfortunately he's misguided about certain things. I think the extreme aversion to censorship (like that displayed by imp and myself) seldom arises in people who haven't themselves been victims of censorship (plug-pulling or forged cancels, not 'censored thro being drowned up by the dissenting opinions" "-) > > > >> Let me clarify two things: > >> > >> 1. "Spam cancellers" are not generally news admins. > > > >I think you will have to justerfy this, the top spam cancellers are all > >news adimns. > > Aer nto. The current top "spam canceller", Rich Bland ("cosmo") is an admin of a tiny little BBS in California - probably fewer users than mine. The previous top "spam canceller" - Rick Buchanan - was just a user, whose actions were condonded by the admins of the several systems he used to forge cancels. (He only had his plug pulled by one ISp I know of.) Most of the people who scream about their "hatred of spam" on news.* are not admins, but fairly recent users who figure that "fighting spam" is a cool thing. Thing is hardly relevant - anyone can easily set up their own site and become its admins. I was just pointing out that it's factually incorrect to use "admins" as a synonym for "anti-spammers". Many admins are pro-free speech. > > >> 2. Once a cancel-forger builds a "reputation" as a "spam canceller", > >> s/he often diversifies into "retromodetration" > > > >There is little proof that this is the case. Even the netscum case could > >have been considered spam. > > What the fuck is "the netscum case"? I think David is referring to the recent case of content-based cancels forged by Chris Lewis for severa articles whose only thing in common was the mention of Chris lewis's Net.Scum page. This is just one of dozens of such examples. Chris Lewis and Dave Barr obth forge cancels for usenet articles that follow up on their articles and quote them, claiming "copyright violations". Interestingly, Dave Barr is one of the moderators of news.admin.net-abuse.announce. When that newsgroup was up for a vote, its charter said (don't know why) that its moderators aren't supposed to issue third party cancels. So much for moderated newsgrou charters. :-) > > > > >[...] > > > >> > Not even forgeries in my name? Not even out of the control spews from > >> > fidonet? > >> > >> Correct. > > > >Ok so if a mailing list gateway @bwalk.dm.com pumps thousands of broken > >posts into usenet you don't wish them to be removed from usenet? > > The motherfucker can remove them himself, send him a note. But after > they've already hit our servers and we've already read them it doesn't > make much of a difference now does it? We've got to receive repeated > blasts of forged cancels ten times the number of the offending posts? Once the offending articles are part of the spool on toher site, it's pointless for me to issue cancels. Note that both have happened: both I and my wife have been forged numerous times on usenet, and there have been spews from this site. I don't think that trying to remove them from spool is a proper thing to do whether or not my site ogirinated them. I do think it's polite to try to let people know that these articles are forged/obsolete/posted in error and should be ignored. That was the original purpose of the cancel control articles in RFC 1036 - I post a "car for sale" ad, I sell the car, I don't want to get any more replies, I cancel it. Problem is, the cancels in RFC 1036 were unauthenticated - relied on honor, and too many people on Usenet have no honor are aere eager to forge other people's e-mail addresses on their cancels. As I discussed with David in private mail, a "retraction server" that would announce forgeries, spews, etc would be a useful thing. > > You're really not very bright are you David? Just misguided. > > >Nor if I post a message with your name and email, saying "Chris Lewis the > >best thing that happened to usenet and I wish to have his baby." > > A simple "I didn't write that" shall suffice. I recall how a couple of years ago Peter Vorobiev forged a bunch of articles in my name all over Usenet, and I posted an announcement to that effect on news.admin.net-abuse.misc, and got some very obnoxious e-mail from Tim Skirvin saying it's off-topic. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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