December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Socio-Economic Cults (Re: Cypherpunk Cults)
by Feanor 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Aug 28, 9:59, Ian Sparkes wrote: } Subject: Re: Socio-Economic Cults (Re: Cypherpunk Cults) > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > At 14:43 28.08.97 +1000, you wrote: > >On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Adam Back wrote: > > > >[...] > > > >> If one person becomes too much of a nuisance (real trigger happy > for > >> ultra minor infractions [...] relatives, friends, or concerned > citizens > >> will correct (fill trigger happy person with lead). > > > >Dosn't help the poor person who got shot dose it? Am I mad to > beleave > >that getting killed is a reduction of basic civil liberties? > > > >> That's how the wild west worked anyway... outlaws didn't last that > >> long. > > > >Nor did the wild west. > > > > And nor the innconent bystanders. The 'you pissed me off - bang bang > you're dead' mentality was the reason for one of the largest > genocides in human history. One assumes you are reffering to the wild west again? Regardless, a point about the wild west: I have it from a fairly reliable source that in teh entire time period labeled 'The Wild West', there were about 8 shooting deaths in Dodge City (a particularily 'Wild' town), of which 5 were shotgun deaths.... Makes you wonder. I also have a pointer to an excellent, well researched US paper on why gun control is bad, if anyone wants it, but it's been posted here before I'm pretty sure.

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Aussies discover regulatory arbitrage...
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text >From today's Australian Financial Review. http://www.afr.com.au/content/970829/inform/inform1.html ATO urges no Internet slug _By Hans van Leeuwen_ The Australian Tax Office's attempt to tax electronic commerce should include no new taxes and as little extra red tape as possible, according to the recommendations of a major ATO report to be released today. The report, _Tax and the Internet_, urges close monitoring of some key industries with a growing Internet presence -- including computer software, news and information, recorded music, gambling, travel services and retail goods. But its emphasis is on creating a tax and regulatory environment that keeps the online industries in Australia, rather than driving them to more lenient tax jurisdictions. The report will be the basis for discussions with the information industry on how the ATO can prevent the undermining of the tax base by electronic commerce. The report said the ATO would need to tax and regulate the Internet only in concert with other countries if it was to encourage online businesses and industries in Australia. "As the Internet allows electronic payment system providers to locate their operations anywhere in the world, they might choose to flee a jurisdiction that unilaterally introduces a strong regulatory regime . . . Unilateral action may be more damaging than no action," the report said. But the tax base must be protected, with electronic commerce posing a significant threat in the longer term to the revenue base of many taxes. "There are not too many existing taxes worldwide that are not vulnerable," the Tax Commissioner, Mr Michael Carmody, said yesterday. The recommendations to strengthen the tax policing of the Internet included: * Numbers displayed on websites. * Licence commercial internet sites ("webshops") and webshop hosts. * Introduce denomination limits for electronic cash, like those already existing for physical cash. * Review the current wholesale sales tax categories, given that new products were being thrown up by the process of digitisation. But Mr Carmody ruled out introducing any taxes on data flows, such as a bit tax, in the short term. "We don't see major advantages to that at the moment. For Australia to jump immediately to a bit tax would just drive Australian business out of the country," he said. The report said electronic commerce threw up some tough challenges to tax administrations, including the difficulty in identifying the parties to an electronic transaction, the ability of cyber- businesses to store records offshore and encrypt them, and the removal of "middle men" -- such as wholesalers and brokers -- from the distribution process, who usually make the ATO's tracking of transactions easier. But Mr Carmody said the ATO would not be assuming that the reason businesses went online was to avoid tax. "It's just another medium of transacting business, which does not of itself say they're not going to meet their tax obligations," he said. "But there are concerns that the Internet opens up wider fields for those who are seeking to avoid their liabilities." _________________________________________________________________ [27]Back To Top _© This material is subject to copyright and any unauthorised use, copying or mirroring is prohibited._ --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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Re: Shrinks as Narcs for the State
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: > At 2:14 PM -0700 8/28/97, Sean Roach wrote: > >A lot of people are > >afraid to tell thier doctors everything that the doctors need to know to do > >thier jobs because the patients are afraid that, as illegal as it may be, > >the patients medical history may end up in the hands of insurers, employers, > >prospective employers, and numerous other people who may want it but > >shouldn't have it. > I know a psychologist/therapist who is very worried about this issue, as > are his associates. His records are no longer his, as he must inform the > insurance agencies who are paying for his services what the diagnosis of a > patient is. And this diagnosis can be found by all sorts of snoops... Dear Detective May, My name is Dick Long, and I am a former DEA agent now working for the big bucks in private enterprise. It has come to the attention of my employer, "Your Best Friend Health Insurance, Inc.", that they are paying over $5,000.00 a month for drug rehabilitation therapy for: Mr. C. Punks, WeKnowWhereYouLive Drive, WeKnowEverythingAboutYou, U.S.A. The records of Mr. Punks' psychiatrist and personal physician state that he still uses on occassion, mostly on weekends, at home. If he were to be lawfully arrested and incarcerated for criminal drug use, then my employer would no longer be required to pay for his therapy, and would be very grateful, indeed. How grateful? Check the accompanying envelope. We could be that grateful for every month Mr. Punk is incarcerated. We are not asking you to do anything illegal, only to prioritize your legally sworn duties in a manner which could prove to be very mutually beneficial for both law enforcement and private enterprise. Sincerely, Dick Long <long.dick(a)rude.ca.ca>

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Re: Sit, Bubu. Sit! / Re: Stay issued; modified stay to follow
by Sam Perry 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thank you for your e-mail message. Sam Perry (sam.perry(a)reuters.com) is on a sabbatical until late September. If this involves a pending news event before then, please contact my colleagues at kourosh.karimkhany(a)reuters.com and therese.poletti(a)reuters.com. In the Interim, I can be reached via e-mail at sam.perry(a)wynd.net. Thank you and all the best ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Reuters Ltd.

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Re: Monkey Wrench into the works
by Feanor 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Aug 27, 10:44, Robert Hettinga wrote: } Subject: Monkey Wrench into the works > > --- begin forwarded text > > > Reply-To: "Myron Lewis" <mrlewis(a)keygen.com> > From: "Myron Lewis" <mrlewis(a)keygen.com> > To: "Robert Hettinga" <rah(a)shipwright.com> > Subject: Monkey Wrench into the works > Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 22:25:55 -0400 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 > > We communicated today about the DCSB luncheon at the Harvard Club and I have > been looking at some of the e$pam traffic. I am somewhat amused because our > company is about to throw a monstrous perturbation into Public-Private Key > encryption. > > We invite you and everyone on the list (Please send this invitation out to > them as the info on how to do that didn't come through.) to visit the KeyGen > webpage, www.KeyGen.com and learn about Automatic Synchronized > KeyGeneration(TM). If you think you recognize it as something you have seen > before, you're close but wrong. > > We are obviously biased, but we feel strongly and so do many others, that > ASK will solve many of the security problems presently under discussion. In > time, it will probably sink Key Management and Certificate Authorities. It won't change dick all as long as it's got that nice (TM) beside it, which I assume means it's not source available or open to peer review. Please, no-one trust proprietary algs in the arena. <bzzzt> Sorry, try again.

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Re: Stewart Baker on Bernstein encryption decision (fwd)
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Declan McCullagh wrote: >I share part of the blame here; I forwarded Baker's message to >cypherpunks. Now, you shouldn't blame the messenger. >I should point out that Baker is an interesting fellow. Check out his >article on Japan's crypto export ctrls in last Oct? Wired. He currently >represents Netscape; he's one of two lawyers in DC who does. He's an interesting fellow, all right; it can't be denied that his current position is a rather opportunistic conversion from his previous attitude. Like Bill Frantz said, it "indicates that the forces of crypto repression are in retreat." What would be *really* interesting is to know the reasons, their own explanations, for this. I mean, they can't expect that no one will notice the change. .. Blanc

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Re: Socio-Economic Cults (Re: Cypherpunk Cults)
by Peter Trei 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:17:09 -0500 (CDT) > From: snow <snow(a)smoke.suba.com> > To: John Smith <jsmith58(a)hotmail.com> > Cc: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net > Subject: Re: Socio-Economic Cults (Re: Cypherpunk Cults) > Reply-to: snow <snow(a)smoke.suba.com> > On Tue, 26 Aug 1997, John Smith wrote: "Snow" wrote: >On Tue, 26 Aug 1997, John Smith wrote: > > "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii(a)amaranth.com>: > > >>You stole from me. > > >>*BANG* > > >>You raped my sister > > >>*BANG* > > >or threaten me or my family you have committed suicide. > > >It is a quite simple and effective philosophy: > > >"You fuck with me, my family, or my property you die. You leave me alone > > >and I leave you alone." > > >Even someone like you can understand such a philosophy. > > Well, I can't. It's very confusing. Are there judges in your > > philosophy, or do you just decide for yourself who to shoot? > > "You walked on my property." BANG. > > Works for me. You post no trespassing, I have no excuse. > > > "Your music kept me awake all night." BANG. > > Well, turn the shit down. > > > "I warned you to cut that tree down, and now it fell on my house." > > BANG. > > If the warning was issued, then *BANG*. "We, your neighbours, have decided that you're too f*cking trigger-happy. So we're solving the problem. Permanently." BANG! ------------- Peter Trei trei(a)process.com

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Sit, Bubu. Sit! / Re: Stay issued; modified stay to follow
by Cypherpunks Mailing List 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Cindy Cohn wrote: > > During a conference call with counsel today, Judge Patel issued a stay of > the injunctive relief issued in her Opinion of August 25, 1997, effective > until September 8. Why are these dinosaurs fucking away perfectly good taxpayer's money trying to shore up the walls of a crumbling civilization? NEWS FLASH!!! THE GENIE *WON'T* GO BACK IN THE BOTTLE --------------------------------------- Before the ink had dried on Judge Patel's ruling, 2,000,000 emails of Professor Bernstein's work were on their way overseas, to every port of call. (Courtesy of Email Blaster, that wonderful progam that tells us, fifty times a day, how to "MAKE MONEY FA$T!!!") > On September 8 (or sooner if we get the papers to her) the Court she will > issue a formal Stay Pending Appeal which will stay the injunctive relief > issued in her Opinion of August 25, 1997, except that an injunction shall be > reinstated to prevent the prosecution of Professor Bernstein for the > "unlicensed export" of Snuffle 5.0 (which includes Snuffle and Unsnuffle) > and any later versions of that program which he has developed. Hell, Professor Bernstein can _import_ it now! By September 8, the program will be obsolete, having been tweaked upward a few generations by Iraquian programmers. I respectfully requested that the Iraquis make any future versions of the program available to American youth who have to flee to Hitler's homeland with their website in order to avoid being persecuted for their sexual predeliction. {See - http://www.guidemag.com/newsslant/vigilante-censors.html } > This eliminates, at least for the meantime, the injunctive relief granted to > Bernstein as to any other computer programs which he may have developed or > otherwise wished to publish. It also eliminates the protections for persons > other than Professor Bernstein. No it doesn't. Haven't you heard of strong crypto? Thank you for pointing out that Phil Zimmerman wishes to protect me, and Judge Patel wishes, on behalf of the government, to "eliminate the protections" which strong encryptions affords me. The governement can't even protect themself, let alone the citizens, as evidenced by the fact that the current sport of teenage hackers across the nation is to send strong encryption overseas by way of the government's email systems. (Can you say FBI? Sure you can! Can you say IRS? Sure you can!) Yet these dweebs want to destroy an industry that *is* capable of providing the citizens protection? (Considering the INSLAW affair, perhaps it would be more fitting to say "destroy _another_ industry.") > The government has said that it may still challenge this more limited stay > in the 9th Circuit. Professor Bernstein may also seek relief from the stay > from the 9th Circuit. I hope these idiots are having fun and making lots of money playing their dinosaur games, because they are certainly accomplishing the opposite of what they claim to be trying to do. The most that the dinosaurs in D.C. can manage to do, is to drag all of the American business interests down into the ashes of history with them as they attempt to build an Electromagnetic Curtain behind which to imprison their citizens. Well, the CypherPunks were digging tunnels before the government even knew they were predestined to build the Wall, so the fascist censors are sucking hind-tit and will, in all likelihood, continue to do so. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ TruthMonger, CoE <tm(a)dev.null> Official Spokesperson for: Cypherpunks Cult of One, DoWell, Saskatchewan Division "Give me bandwidth, or give me death." -Admiral B. d'Shauneaux

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