December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Annonymous Web proxies.
by hallam＠w3.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

There has been a lot of debate about setting up of annonymous Web proxies. There are many thousand already deployed. Any Web proxy which does not keep logs is effectively an annonymous Web proxy. Just download the CERN server and run it. http://www.w3.org/hypertext/WWW/Daemon/Status.html The point about monitoring such sites is an apt one. Iwork under the assumption that I am monitored because if I was a spook I would be monitoring me. Most of the discoveries of security holes arrive at my door sooner rather than later. I would have monitored the communist party for the same reason, it was one of the the most obvious place for the soviets to attempt infiltration, the other being the authoritarian establishment right. Phill

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Re: Mixmaster posting poll
by Erik E. Fair 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:40 9/13/95, Lance Cottrell wrote: > >I seem to recall that someone on this list wrote some mail2news software, >Who was it and which standard did it follow (if either). Has anyone installed >it? Is anyone else planning to install it. I will install a gateway when I >get my T1 (in a couple of months). Rich Salz wrote mail2news, based on some ugly stuff I wrote, ages ago. Erik Fair

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Explaining Zero Knowledge to your children
by danisch＠ira.uka.de 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

There is a paper about explaining Zero Knowledge methods in simple words. It's titled "Explainig Zero Knowledge Authentication to your children" or something similar. It's said to be in the proceedings of any conference. Does anybody know where to find it? Thanks Hadmut

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cryptography eliminates lawyers?
by terrell＠sam.neosoft.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From: "Cortland D. Starrett" <cort(a)bioanalytical.com> >Subject: cryptography eliminates lawyers? >As a follow-up to the article reference I posted, I pose the >following question: > >Will cryptographic technology and information (communication) >technology reduce the need for legal services in the future? >(especially regarding contracts, buying/selling, patent law, etc.) >Will legal services just look different? Will they be more >efficient (cheaper)? > >Put bluntly, will cryptography put lawyers out of business? >Any comments would be appreciated. > >Cort. > How could crypto put lawyers out of business? People would still have disagreements; plans would still go wrong; cars would still crash. More important, transactions would still need to be structured to carry out the desires of the parties while minimizing risks. Good communications technology, including crypto, could make lawyering more efficient, but I suspect the savings would be minimal. Communications technology will no more put lawyers out of business than CASE put programmers out of business. Buford C. Terrell 1303 San Jacinto Street Professor of Law Houston, TX 77002 South Texas College of Law voice (713)646-1857 terrell(a)sam.neosoft.com fax (713)646-1766

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AOL Porno
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Will the federal prosecutors and Fibbies on this list please emphasize that the Internet was not involved in the AOL kiddie porn case. The Internet has enough opportunities for bad publicity as it is. DCF "Who wonders: How it is that CompuServe was able to exist from 1979 to the arrival of Prodigy and AOL without major sex, and drugs, and rock and roll problems?"

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Re: DD, pedaphiles, and Terrorists, oh my
by anonymous＠freezone.remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

September 13, 1995 PRESS BRIEFING BY MIKE MCCURRY [Snip] MR. MCCURRY: ... [The President]'ll be making some fairly significant news on Thursday. So he'll be very busy next week. Q News? What kind of news? Q News on what? MR. MCCURRY: You'll see next week. [Snip] Q What about Thursday -- Q Are you going? MR. MCCURRY: Half and half, I think. I'll go -- I think there are some days that look more political; I don't think it's necessary for me to be there. Q What will be the general topic on Thursday? MR. MCCURRY: On Thursday? Technology. [Snip to end] URL: http://docs.whitehouse.gov/white-house-publications/ 1995/09/1995-09-13-press-briefing-by-mike-mccurry.text ---------- Any scuttlebutt that computer security, the Internet or encryption are the "technology?" Or related to the NYT spin today on LEA-web-snooping: "We are not going to permit exciting new technology to be misused to exploit and injure children," Attorney General Janet Reno said today in announcing the arrests. The culmination of the inquiry by the Federal Bureau of Investigatlon comes at a time when the agency has needed some favorable attention to offset a string of incidents that have cast it in a negative light. Its officials have come under fire for their role in the siege at Waco, Tex., the standoff with a white separatist in Idaho and, most recently, over an attempt to cover up aspects in the Idaho incident. Or diversion from the allegations of Special Agent Whitehurst that Feeb lab rats and bosses are corrupt -- tar-morphing even Golden Boy Freeh. Pray that kid-loving Reno HRTs the abusive brats.

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[NOISE] Alice's Remailer site (was:Re: Digital Fingerprinting)
by Peter Trei 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: patrick(a)Verity.COM (Patrick Horgan) > > From: Mac Norton <mnorton(a)cavern.uark.edu> > > To: Patrick Horgan <patrick(a)Verity.COM> > > On Wed, 13 Sep 1995, Patrick Horgan wrote: > > > > > Then, in W.Ky., as in Stockbridge, "You can get > > > > > anything you want..."? :) > > > Why do I feel like I'm sitting on the group W bench? > > I don't know, kid, what you in for? > Encryption. And they all moved away from me on the group W bench there, > talking mean hairy eyeballs and all sorts of things until I said, and > annoying the NSA, and they all moved back, talking about crime, PEM, PGP, > and liberty and justice for all;) > Patrick I've seen various 'Alice Restaurant' pastiches, Alice's NNTP server, Alices MIT GUI, etc. I guess it's time to try to do one for crypto.... This song is called Alice's Remailer site and it's about Alice, and the remailer site, but Alices Remailer site is not the name of the Remailer site, it's the name of the song, and that's why I called this song Alice's Remailer site. You can send anything you want through Alices Remailer site. You can send anything you want through Alices Remailer site. Connect right in it's around the back. Halfway down that seventeen inch rack. You can be anyone you want through Alice's Remailer site. etc.... Peter Trei Senior Software Engineer Purveyor Development Team Process Software Corporation http://www.process.com trei(a)process.com

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Re: CYPHERPUNK considered harmful.
by patrick＠Verity.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Just a couple of comments, one on a question and one on an answer. > > >Q: Aren't LEAs worried that strong encryption will make it more > >difficult for them to catch crooks? If this is for non-cypherpunks, you should say what an LEA is. They wouldn't understand your question. (Shoot, some cypherpunks are probably going, "Huh?") > > >Q: What's this 'key escrow' thing? > > > >A: Some government agencies have been trying to figure out methods which > >simultaneously permit US citizens to use strong cryptography against > >criminal eavesdroppers, while retaining the ease with which LEAs can > >currently tap your calls. The schemes generally involve something > >mistitled 'key escrow', in which copies of cryptographic keys would be > >stored at sites accessible by LEAs. > > 'key escrow' is a code word for government access to the unencrypted > message. It is a persistent theme, dating back to the NSA's CCEP in about You probably need to say what the NSA is, and certainly have to identify CCEP. Patrick _______________________________________________________________________ / These opinions are mine, and not Verity's (except by coincidence;). \ | (\ | | Patrick J. Horgan Verity Inc. \\ Have | | patrick(a)verity.com 1550 Plymouth Street \\ _ Sword | | Phone : (415)960-7600 Mountain View \\/ Will | | FAX : (415)960-7750 California 94303 _/\\ Travel | \___________________________________________________________\)__________/

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Re: NSA on GAK
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:01 PM 9/14/95 -0400, Adam Shostack wrote: > > "Help me understand here. You say that serious users of >encryption don't use software distributed via network. In that case, >you would have no objection to PGP being exported, as serious users of >encryption don't use it?" Were that true, then they wouldn't be on the Internet either because the Internet runs on software distributed over the Internet. DCF

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Re: An opportunity not to be missed
by Rev. Mark Grant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Thu, 14 Sep 1995, Frank Stuart wrote: > Is anyone in a position to set up a cypherpunks CrimeStoppers mailbox (for > use through the remailers)? You could set up a web-page with instructions > and a list of crimes for which there are rewards. Someone already tried that. The cops got a copy of the WWW logs and started investigating everyone who'd looked at the WWW page... So at the least you'd need a bunch of anonymous WWW proxies as well. There's also the problem that the current ecash systems do not provide payee anonymity, so if you pay informers with ecash they can be traced if the bank and payer collude. Mark

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