December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

RE: "bad" government
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: "Richard F. Dutcher" What's your point? Got a principle that *hasn't* been used/abused? .................................................. The original statement I made was in response to Richard Moore, who was wondering out loud why someone else on this list was "on the wrong side"; I remarked in essence that he likewise is seemingly on that side, as cryptography, in its development, is designed to serve the purposes of individuals in disproportion to governmental control over it. I'm not assuming that "privacy and protection from arbitrary power are solely libertarian concerns" either. Yet I don't need to "check out the ACLU and Amnesty International ..." to understand the many possibilities and dangers. My remarks were intended to indicate that it isn't necessary to inspect the varying degrees of comparative corruption or betterment in any of the institutions which these political arguments encourage; if you understand full well the principle involved, or what it is that is "wrong", then it shouldn't be too difficult to see the similar impropriety wherever it becomes manifest. .. Blanc

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Re: "bad" government
by alt＠iquest.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> >>From: erc(a)s116.slcslip.indirect.com (Ed Carp [khijol Sysadmin]) > >>Governments as a whole are seen to be "bad" because they invariably undermine >the right of the individual to make choices for themselves. > >Quite untrue. It's society which provides you with an environment in which >you have choices. And its government which orders that society. It's >because government has served you so well, that you have luxury to >fantasize you don't need it. You're being duped. Government does indeed "order society." However, "order" does not equat to liberty, luxury, or to individual freedom. If strong government resulted in liberty and freedom, then the most intrusive, all-encompassing governments would result in its citizens having the most liberty. Is this the case? I would look at the (former) Soviet Union, Iran, Cuba, East Germany, etc., for your answer. Individual liberties do not necessarily result in an "orderly society." In fact, an imposed "order" on society, by definition, must result in limited liberties. Apply this to anonymous remailers, and encrypted personal mail, and you can easily see how the government imposing "order" would result in the end of those activities. ************************************************************ * Just your basic signature block * * * * Al Thompson * * Fidonet 1:231/110 * * alt(a)iquest.net * ************************************************************

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URGENT - MS hack of FFS
by solman＠MIT.EDU 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Could somebody here please give me the reference for the full version of Micali and Shamir's hack of the Fiat-Shamir family of authentication schemes. I need it to make sure that what I've put in the class notes for an IAP course I am teaching is correct. I have the short paper (An improvement of the Fiat-Shamir Identification and Signature Scheme) from Crypto '88 (I think), but I need the full version. If anybody here can get me the reference before the libraries here close tonight, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks, Jason W. Solinsky

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Z-Mail
by jltocher＠CCGATE.HAC.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Can someone please email me with details about obtaining and configuring Z-Mail for use with PGP? Thanks, John John L. Tocher THE CITY-a bounded infinity. A labyrinth where JLTocher(a)ccgate.HAC.com you are never lost. Your private map where every PGP: CE 72 1A 11 07 47 35 block bears exactly the same number. Even if you 35 9A C1 DE EA 64 21 BC 94 lose your way, you cannot go wrong. --Kobo Abe

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Re: AT&T and VLSI Encryption device
by Michael Sattler 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:55 1/31/95, Perry E. Metzger wrote: >Michael Sattler says: >> >> How does this device conform with the legislated requirement that it must >> deliver plaintext to the government upon court-approved demand? > >There is no such requirement. I was under the impression that "the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act requires equipment manufacturers and telecommunications carriers to develop network technologies that are readily wiretapped" (from Garfinkel's book). Doesn't a "hardware encryption device for use in lots of communications devices, including cell phones, PDAs, etc." seem to fall into that category? If it doesn't then I have no idea what CALEA is supposed to do. -----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Michael Sattler <msattler(a)jungle.com> San Francisco, California | Digital Jungle Consulting Services http://www.jungle.com/msattler/ | | And so these men of Indostan/ disputed long and loud/ each in his own | opinion/ exceeding stiff and strong/ though each was partly right/ and | all were in the wrong! - John Godfrey Saxe |

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Re: Better living through better `procmail'
by Adam Shostack 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In reponse to quite a few people asking, Procmail can be found at ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de as pub/packages/procmail/procmail.tar.gz safe-tcl, which some people prefer, is at ftp.ics.uci.edu:mrose/safe-tcl/safe-tcl.tar.Z Adam -- "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -Hume

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Re: PFF's Magna Carta and the new netserfs
by rishab＠dxm.ernet.in 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ed Carp wrote: > > Unrestrained economic powers (companies, corporations, whatever) have > > the same property. This seemed to me to be a fundamental point that > > Rishab was making -- and one that is often ignored in discussions of > > economic libertarianism. > > Agreed, but I don't see that that was the point Rishab was making. Oh, well.. It was, actually. "Corporations can be at least as bad as governments" - the examples of extreme circumstances were extraneous. BTW the original analysis of the PFF thing by Richard Moore was posted here on the 25th by him, though he seems to think that I got it from elsewhere and volunteered to post it... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- For Electric Dreams subscriptions and back issues, send a mail to rishab(a)arbornet.org with 'get help' as the message Subject. Rishab Aiyer Ghosh rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in rishab(a)arbornet.org Vox +91 11 6853410 Voxmail 3760335 H 34C Saket, New Delhi 110017, INDIA

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the moderation principle
by rkmoore＠iol.ie 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: alt(a)iquest.net (Al Thompson) If strong government resulted in liberty and freedom, then the most intrusive, all-encompassing governments would result in its citizens having the most liberty. Is this the case? I would look at the (former) Soviet Union, Iran, Cuba, East Germany, etc., for your answer. In all things, moderation. If I like salt on my steak, that does not mean the most salt is the best. Thinking in fundmentalist extremes severely limits your room for creative problem solving. You don't do that when you discuss cypers -- you don't take rigid sides of "subway" vs "mixmaster", and paint the other side as fools becauase their system would be silly if taken to its extremes. You learn from one another. Be as creative about political possibilities. -rkm _____________________ Richard K Moore > cyber scribe < citizenships: USA ; cyberspace homes: Ireland ; <rkmoore(a)iol.ie> _____________________

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Economist Article on Ecash
by frissell＠panix.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- The article from the Nov. 26, 1995 of The Economist "So much for the cashless society. (Electronic Money)" is available at: http://www.ios.com/~lroth/clips/emoney.html The WWW disabled can apply to Al Gore for a subsidy or send me an emailed request. DCF -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBLy6XVYVO4r4sgSPhAQEJTQP/W9VI76LRPHopmk9eT5FPqpjry9L+PSwM cdbMMCyy4lFWjt+KuS2ca9QCtoxNYT3F7k0RvmI5YwlvbhXYbpiSG999inbZZIv5 vcR3iu5CEGum4yQCW3luWojvlKL8fxsZ6ucnTeAJacxmTlO9uqpg43+2uvzapBBe q5/YsIGB9Dw= =jTuA -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Cypherpunks CD-ROM
by sameer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am putting together a CD-ROM covering cryptography, privacy, remailers, etc.. essentially the whole cypherpunk bit. Please send contributions/suggestions/comments/flames to sameer(a)c2.org. Thanks. -- sameer Voice: 510-841-2014 Network Administrator Pager: 510-321-1014 Community ConneXion: The NEXUS-Berkeley Dialin: 510-549-1383 http://www.c2.org (or login as "guest") sameer(a)c2.org

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