December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

And another thing...
by Phil Fraering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

As usual, one final question came to mind right after sending the last message: Why is Java the next hot thing instead of Telescript? Was Telescript ever opened up for general use or was it mainly used for AT&T's Personalink network? Phil

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It had to happen...
by cman＠communities.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Has anyone caught this yet? From "No Such Agency" to having their own Web page... wow. http://www.nsa.gov:8080/

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Re: Anti-Electronic Racketeering Act of 1995 (fwd)
by ab411＠detroit.freenet.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ray Arachelian <sunder(a)escape.com> writes: >On Thu, 13 Jul 1995, Bill Stewart wrote: >> >> ["virus hackers"] >> >> ... What viruses have to >> do with encryption is that encryption makes it easier to prevent viruses, >> and Senator Grassley wants to stop that. > >Erm, not quite. Stealth viruses supposedly use "encryption" to hide >themselves.... Perhaps he was referring to the use of (cryptographically strong) hashes to implement integrity checking? Or authentication of software distribution channels? >Still, you could write beneficial viruses, or virus like programs that >are beneficial in nature in some way. KOH for instance? The problem is, it's awfully hard to come up with a case where a beneficial virus can't be replaced with a similar program that has the same features, but lacks the ability to copy itself. KOH is a good example. There are plenty of good encryption programs out there, so what is the advantage to making it a virus? Precious little. On the other hand, problems crop up, like: What if there are bugs in it? How do you "call it back" and replace it with a bugfixed version? How does someone know, when it shows up on their machine, that it is still the original beneficial program, and hasn't been turned into something malicious? This is pretty far off the subject for Cypherpunks, though. (I suppose it could come with a PGP signature, the key being well-known, and that would both answer the question of whether it'd been modified as well as tie this back into cpunks. :) -- David R. Conrad, ab411(a)detroit.freenet.org, http://web.grfn.org/~conrad/ Finger conrad(a)grfn.org for PGP 2.6 public key; it's also on my home page Key fingerprint = 33 12 BC 77 48 81 99 A5 D8 9C 43 16 3C 37 0B 50 No, his mind is not for rent to any god or government.

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Re: DOVE/Red Mercury doom U.S. Super State? Red Mercury myth
by anonymous-remailer＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Thu, 20 Jul 1995, Gary Jeffers wrote: > Red Mercury means Antimony Mercury Oxide. This compound > looks rather > harmless but it is not. This compound is very technically > difficult to This myth shows up on sci.chem every few months or so. There is no such thing. -Rat

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Re: Java (was Netscape: the big win)
by cman＠communities.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>At 05:18 PM 7/20/95 -0800, Douglas Barnes wrote: >>Java compiler (written in Java), compiling big program: 2.5 MB >>HotJava browser (written in Java), after running some applets: 4.0 MB > >Believable for this sort of thing. > >>"Hello world" Java program (no GUI): 800K >Yow! Does this mean I'd have to download an 800K applet to my browser >just to get it to say "Hello, World"? Or is this a complete standalone >program, much larger than a typical applet? Uh, no, this is a standalone Java program (includes interpreter, language library, etc.) Applets are treated by a browser in the same way that a GIF is treated (more or less); the browser may have to grab more memory to take in a big one, but that memory can be reclaimed when the user moves on to a new page. Applets run as a thread within a multi-threaded browser, they don't have their own processes, etc.

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Re: Java (was Netscape: the big win)
by stewarts＠ix.netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:04 PM 7/20/95 -0800, Douglas Barnes wrote: >Uh, no, this is a standalone Java program (includes interpreter, >language library, etc.) > >Applets are treated by a browser in the same way that a GIF is treated >(more or less); the browser may have to grab more memory to take in >a big one, but that memory can be reclaimed when the user moves on to >a new page. > >Applets run as a thread within a multi-threaded browser, they don't >have their own processes, etc. Good. Any guesses how big a basic "Hello, World" applet would be? Maybe 10K? # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, Freelance Information Architect, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com

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Re: Netscape the Big Win
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In article <199507201631.MAA18946(a)clark.net>, rjc(a)clark.net (Ray Cromwell) wrote: > The answer is: integration. While TRN is a great newsreader, and >Eudora's a great mail reader, etc, if I read a post in TRN or a message >in Eudora, there is no hyperlinking. If I see a link or reference, If you used a Mac, all you had to do is click on the URL in your mailer, newsreader, even some text editors, and the correct helper aplication will open the URL. For you Mac users: ftp://redback.cs.uwa.edu.au//Others/Quinn/Config/ICeTEe1.1.1.sit requires InternetConfig, which is available at all the major archive sites. - -- - -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBMA8BGioZzwIn1bdtAQGEEQF+PRWtaNDSdRuJYDZfGRGATwFM4zgetK7Q cLRAa8/r89fJvzz5yRJSZLrbm84B0yYs =qAXZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Netscape the Big Win
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In article <ac33dc68060210045e75(a)[205.199.118.202]>, tcmay(a)sensemedia.net (Timothy C. May) wrote: >The News reader in Netscape 1.1N is as good as the main "separate" news >reader, NewsWatcher, for the Macintosh, and has some added benefits. For >example, URLs in News postings automatically show up as clickable items, >which can be jumped to immediately. (Other News programs _could_ do this, >and maybe some of them do, but not on the Macintosh, at this moment.) I won't suggest that others change their favorite programs, but here are the facts: - -All URLs in Newswatcher can be accessed by cmd-clicking them. - -V.A. and Y.A. Newswatcher provides transparent use of anonymous remailers for both news and email. A feature that most cypherpunks will appreciate and that Netscape does not provide. <ftp://mirrors.aol.com//pub/info-mac/comm/tcp/ya-newswatcher-20b28.hqx> - -In Macs with InternetConfig <ftp://mirrors.aol.com//pub/info-mac/comm/tcp/internet-config-11.hqx> and the latest ICeTEe extension <ftp://redback.cs.uwa.edu.au//Others/Quinn/Config/InternetConfig1.1.sit> installed, all programs that use TextEdit, such as Eudora and SimpleText, become browsers that allow instant access to any URL mentioned in the text just by cmd-clicking on it. Netscape doesn't even come close. - -- - -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBMA8E7ioZzwIn1bdtAQFc8gGA0tBCx3neJNN6q/0JQ9dCALSKQh/+v67z kaXJOLIcpbNW6VWVI32nJwap+C5sdwPg =Ms35 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Netscape the Big Win
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In article <ac33f977080210043230(a)[205.199.118.202]>, tcmay(a)sensemedia.net (Timothy C. May) wrote: >Frankly, one of the great boons of my current setup is that I can >completely get away from Unix tools and commands, away from my Unix shell >account at Netcom, away from the arcane commands that vary from program to >program, away from tin and elm and emacs...my fingers are already >forgetting the emacs commands! > >(Those of you like Unix, fine. I agree it is useful for many things, so I'm >not trying to debate Unix vs. the world. Just giving my perspective, and >apparently the perspective of the many who are adopting the Web browsers as >their "operating environments," insulated from the underlying cruft.) Is this the same T.C. May that used to argue vehemently that if it can't be displayed on a VT52, it was no good? Did a space alien take over Tim? - -- - -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBMA8F3SoZzwIn1bdtAQHKegF9GZbdSEP4Q5LlQz6KdwapuCMS3v5i693V GoyxCoWO/iEOR6M5kl7ASgkagzJgVMi8 =n2gM -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Netscape the Big Win
by tcmay＠sensemedia.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:21 PM 7/20/95, Douglas Barnes wrote: >I don't get what you mean when you say, "Java isn't ready for the >home market." True, I don't think that programming languages of >any sort are part of the "home market", but I think that Java will >enable people like cypherpunks to write extremely portable applications >_once_ that will be embeddable on web pages viewed by browsers like >Netscape. I can't think of anything that is going to come closer to >your definition of "winning" the home market. Certainly the home I agree. This is what I meant by saying programmers would use it, to put these capabilities into browsers that home users then get. Maybe this is just semantic quibbling: all I meant is that Java (or Fortran, or Perl, or whatever) will not be things the home user is ready for. --Tim May .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)sensemedia.net | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-728-0152 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Corralitos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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