December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

I haven't read this response, until now!
by Carol Anne Braddock 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear All, I haven't seen the next two responses, yet they comprise all the responses that ten news groups had made as of this posting, in my newsreader here at MM.COM. I am told there are now more, yet I think it's kind of a moot point (david(a)winternet.com was the reporter). So I am going to import the text now and read it finally. I have read the text, and I giggle a little, at who sent it. Now you already have had the advantage of seeing copy by Mr. Horwath. Mr. Logajan didn't. And didn't for a number of days. Nor did anyone anyone else either. [teacher mode on] LOOK AT THE GROUPS MR. LOGAJAN IS RESPONDING TO. HE IS ONLY REPLYING TO ONE, NOT TEN GROUPS. AND, EITHER HE OR MR. HAS CENSORED NINE OTHER GROUPS FROM THEIR RIGHTFUL REPLIES. I DO BELIEVE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT MR. HORWATH'S PRIOR POSTING, I THINK YOU WILL FIND THAT HE DID TAMPER WITH THE POSTING. AND, WHAT YOU GET AS A LESSON HERE IS JUST WHY THE REMAILER PROGRAM IS IN TROUBLE. THERE JUST HAS TO BE PLAIN AND SIMPLE TRUST. MR. LOGAJAN IS UNDER THAT SIMPLE DELUSION, FOR THE MOMENT. YET AS CYPHERPUNKS, THERE IS A KIND OF AN UNSTATED UNDERSTANDING THAT WE DO NOT DO THIS TO OTHERS OR OURSELVES. [teacher mode off] Mr. Horwath at least owes Mr. Logajan an apology. For misrepresentation. Mr. Horwath owes nine newsgroups an apology. For telling them (through ommission) that mn.general is more important than they are. It was about this point I was on the list again. The damage was done, and now repairs were under way. Now, the third and last response I know of, to this point.

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(fwd) Re: Phil Zimmermann
by Carol Anne Braddock 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Path: vortex.mm.com!news2.mr.net!mr.net!umn.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!winternet.com!icicle.winternet.com!carolann From: Carol Anne Braddock <carolann(a)icicle.winternet.com> Newsgroups: soc.support.transgendered,alt.transgendered,mn.general,alt.sex.femdom,alt.artcom,alt.sex.bondage,alt.sex,comp.infosystems.www.users,alt.dreams.lucid,alt.dreams Subject: Re: Phil Zimmermann Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 04:05:13 -0600 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 317 Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950102035552.23484I-100000(a)icicle.winternet.com> References: <3dtkaj$lg8(a)news-2.csn.net> <3dvdsb$ads$1(a)mhade.production.compuserve.com> <mpjD1MvLD.4Ht(a)netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: icicle.winternet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <mpjD1MvLD.4Ht(a)netcom.com> Please read, and help if you can. You can get PGP at my WWW HomePage. http://www.winternet.com/~carolann Love Always, Carol Anne Registered<BETSI>BEllcore Trusted Software Integrity system programmer *********************************************************************** Carol Anne Braddock "Give me your Tired, your Poor, your old PC's..." The TS NET REGISTERED PGP KEY NO.0C91594D carolann(a)icicle.winternet.com finger carolann(a)winternet.com |more *********************************************************************** My WWW Homepage Page is at: http://www.winternet.com/~carolann On Fri, 30 Dec 1994, Michael Paul Johnson wrote: > Christopher W. Geib <72144.1426(a)CompuServe.COM> writes: > > >Phil, > > >Could you repost here the address where we can send our support? > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Phil Zimmermann Legal Defense Fund Appeal > > In November, 1976, Martin Hellman and Whitfield Diffie announced > their discovery of public-key cryptography by beginning their paper > with the sentence: "We stand today on the brink of a revolution in > cryptography." > > We stand today on the brink of an important battle in the > revolution they unleased. Philip Zimmermann, who encoded and released > the most popular and successful program to flow from that discovery, > Pretty Good Privacy ("PGP"), may be about to go to court. > > It has been over fourteen months now since Phil was first informed > that he was the subject of a grand jury investigation being mounted by > the San Jose, CA, office of US Customs into the international > distribution, over the Internet, of the original version of the > program. On January 12th, Phil's legal team will meet for the first > time with William Keane, Assistant US Attorney for the Northern > District of California, who is in charge of the grand jury > investigation, in San Jose. An indictment, if one is pursued by the > government after this meeting, could be handed down very shortly > thereafter. > > If indicted, Phil would likely be charged with violating statute 22 > USC 2778 of the US Code, "Control of arms exports and imports." This > is the federal statute behind the regulation known as ITAR, > "International Traffic in Arms Regulations," 22 CFR 120.1 et seq. of > the Code of Federal Regulations. Specifically, the indictment would > allege that Phil violated 22 USC 2778 by exporting an item listed as a > "munition" in 22 CFR 120.1 et seq. without having a license to do so. > That item is cryptographic software -- PGP. > > At stake, of course, is far more than establishing whether Phil > violated federal law or not. The case presents significant issues and > will establish legal precedent, a fact known to everyone involved. > According to his lead counsel, Phil Dubois, the US government hopes to > establish the proposition that anyone having anything at all to do with > an illegal export -- even someone like Phil, whose only involvement was > writing the program and making it available to US citizens and who has > no idea who actually exported it -- has committed a federal felony > offense. The government also hopes to establish the proposition that > posting a "munition" on a BBS or on the Internet is exportation. If > the government wins its case, the judgment will have a profound > chilling effect on the US software industry, on the free flow of > information on the emerging global networks, and in particular upon the > grassroots movement to put effective cryptography in the hands of > ordinary citizens. The US government will, in effect, resurrect > Checkpoint Charlie -- on the Information Superhighway. > > By now, most of us who are reading this know about Phil and the > case, whether by having the program and reading the doc files or by > seeing reports in the Wall Steet Journal, Time, Scientific American, > the New York Times, Wired, US News and World Report, and hundreds of > other news outlets; on Usenet groups like talk.crypto.politics or > alt.security.pgp; or by listening to Phil give talks such as the one he > gave at CFP '94 in Chicago. We know that PGP has made great strides > since version 1.0, and is now a sophisticated encryption and > key-management package which has become the de facto standard in both > micro and mainframe environments. We know that Phil and the PGP > development team successfully negotiated a commercial license with > Viacrypt, and, through the efforts of MIT, a noncommercial license for > PGP with RSA Data Security, the holders of the patent on the RSA > algorithm on which PGP is based, thus freeing the program from the > shadow of allegations of patent infringement. We know that programs > such as PGP represent one of our best bulwarks in the Information Age > against the intrusions of public and private information gatherers. We > know that PGP is a key tool in insuring that the "Information > Superhighway" will open the world to us, without opening us to the > world. > > What we may not all know is the price Phil has had to pay for his > courage and willingness to challenge the crypto status quo. For years > now Phil has been the point man in the ongoing campaign for freely > available effective cryptography for the everyday computer user. The > costs, personal and professional, to him have been great. He wrote the > original code for PGP 1.0 by sacrificing months of valuable time from > his consulting career and exhausting his savings. He continues to > devote large amounts of his time to testifying before Congress, doing > public speaking engagements around the world, and agitating for > "cryptography for the masses," largely at his own expense. He is now > working, still for free, on the next step in PGP technology, PGP Phone, > which will turn every PC with a sound card and a modem into a secure > telephone. And we know that, just last month, he was searched and > interrogated in the absence of counsel by US Customs officials upon his > return from a speaking tour in Europe. > > Phil's legal team consists of his lead counsel, Philip Dubois of > Boulder, CO; Kenneth Bass of Venable, Baetjer, Howard & Civiletti, in > Washington, DC, first counsel for intelligence policy for the Justice > Department under President Carter; Eben Moglen, professor of law at > Columbia and Harvard Universities; Curt Karnow, a former assistant US > attorney and intellectual property law specialist at Landels, Ripley & > Diamond in San Francisco; and Thomas Nolan, noted criminal defense > attorney in Menlo Park. > > While this is a stellar legal team, what makes it even more > extraordinary is that several of its members have given their time for > free to Phil's case. Still, while their time has been donated so far, > other expenses -- travel, lodging, telephone, and other costs -- have > fallen to Phil. If the indictment is handed down, time and costs will > soar, and the members of the team currently working pro bono may no > longer be able to. Justice does not come cheap in this country, but > Phil deserves the best justice money can buy him. > > This is where you and I come in. Phil Dubois estimates that the > costs of the case, leaving aside the lawyers' fees, will run from > US$100,000 - $150,000. If Phil's team must charge for their services, > the total cost of the litigation may range as high as US$300,000. The > legal defense fund is already several thousand dollars in the red and > the airline tickets to San Jose haven't even been purchased yet. > > In September, 1993 I wrote a letter urging us all to support Phil, > shortly after the first subpoenas were issued by Customs. Today the > need is greater than ever, and I'm repeating the call. > > Phil has assumed the burden and risk of being the first to develop > truly effective tools with which we all might secure our communications > against prying eyes, in a political environment increasingly hostile to > such an idea -- an environment in which Clipper chips and digital > telephony bills are our own government's answer to our concerns. Now > is the time for us all to step forward and help shoulder that burden > with him. > > It is time more than ever. I call on all of us, both here in the > US and abroad, to help defend Phil and perhaps establish a > groundbreaking legal precedent. PGP now has an installed base of > hundreds of thousands of users. PGP works. It must -- no other > "crypto" package, of the hundreds available on the Internet and BBS's > worldwide, has ever been subjected to the governmental attention PGP > has. How much is PGP worth to you? How much is the complete security > of your thoughts, writings, ideas, communications, your life's work, > worth to you? The price of a retail application package?i Send it. > More? Send it. Whatever you can spare: send it. > > A legal trust fund, the Philip Zimmermann Defense Fund (PZDF), has > been established with Phil Dubois in Boulder. Donations will be > accepted in any reliable form, check, money order, or wire transfer, > and in any currency, as well as by credit card. > > You may give anonymously or not, but PLEASE - give generously. If > you admire PGP, what it was intended to do and the ideals which > animated its creation, express your support with a contribution to this > fund. > > * * * > > Here are the details: > > To send a check or money order by mail, make it payable, NOT to Phil > Zimmermann, but to "Philip L. Dubois, Attorney Trust Account." Mail the > check or money order to the following address: > > Philip Dubois > 2305 Broadway > Boulder, CO USA 80304 > (Phone #: 303-444-3885) > > To send a wire transfer, your bank will need the following > information: > > Bank: VectraBank > Routing #: 107004365 > Account #: 0113830 > Account Name: "Philip L. Dubois, Attorney Trust Account" > > Now here's the neat bit. You can make a donation to the PZDF by > Internet mail on your VISA or MasterCard. Worried about snoopers > intercepting your e-mail? Don't worry -- use PGP. > > Simply compose a message in plain ASCII text giving the following: > the recipient ("Philip L. Dubois, Attorney Trust Account"); the bank > name of your VISA or MasterCard; the name which appears on it; a tele- > phone number at which you can be reached in case of problems; the card > number; date of expiry; and, most important, the amount you wish to do- > nate. (Make this last item as large as possible.) Then use PGP to en- > crypt and ASCII-armor the message using Phil Dubois's public key, en- > closed below. (You can also sign the message if you like.) E-mail > the output file to Phil Dubois (dubois(a)csn.org) Please be sure to use > a "Subject:" line reading something like "Phil Zimmermann Defense Fund" > so he'll know to decrypt it right away. > > Bona fides: My relation to Phil Z. is that of a long-time user and > advocate of PGP and a personal friend. For over a year I moderated the > (no longer published) digest, Info-PGP, on the old lucpul.it.luc.edu site > here at Loyola. I am in no way involved with the administration of the > PZDF. I volunteer my time on its behalf. > Phil Dubois is Phil Z.'s lawyer and lead counsel in the Customs case. > He administers the PZDF. > To obtain a copy of my public key (with which you can verify the > signature on this doc), you have a number of options: > - Use the copy which I will append below. > - Send mail to me at hmiller(a)luc.edu with the "Subject:" line > reading "send pubkey" > - Get it by anon ftp at ftp://ftp.math.luc.edu/pub/hmiller/pubkey.hm > - Obtain it from an Internet PGP keyserver machine such as > pgp-public-keys(a)pgp.ai.mit.edu. Just send a mail message to this > address with the "Subject:" field "GET hmiller". Other keyserver > machines on the Net which accept the same message format (and > automatically synchronize keyrings with each other every 10 minutes or > so) include: > > pgp-public-keys(a)pgp.mit.edu > pgp-public-keys(a)demon.co.uk > pgp-public-keys(a)pgp.ox.ac.uk > pgp-public-keys(a)ext221.sra.co.jp > pgp-public-keys(a)kub.nl > pgp-public-keys(a)pgp.iastate.edu > pgp-public-keys(a)dsi.unimi.it > pgp-public-keys(a)pgp.dhp.com > > You can verify my public key by calling me at 312-338-2689 (home) > or 312-508-2727 (office) and letting me read you my key fingerprint > ("pgp -kvc hmiller" after you have put my key on your pubring.pgp keyring). > I include it also in my .sig, below, if that's good enough for you. > You might also note that Phil Zimmermann has signed my public key. > Hopefully he is Node #1 in your Web-of-Trust! His key is available on > the net keyservers and in the 'keys.asc' file in the PGP distribution > packages. > Phil Dubois's pubkey can also be obtained from the keyservers, if > you prefer that source to the text below, and from 'keys.asc'. Phil Z. > has signed his key as well. > > Here is Phil Dubois's public key: > > - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > Version: 2.7 > > mQCNAiyaTboAAAEEAL3DOizygcxAe6OyfcuMZh2XnyfqmLKFDAoX0/FJ4+d2frw8 > 5TuXc/k5qfDWi+AQCdJaNVT8jlg6bS0HD55gLoV+b6VZxzIpHWKqXncA9iudfZmR > rtx4Es82n8pTBtxa7vcQPhCXfjfl+lOMrICkRuD/xB/9X1/XRbZ7C+AHeDONAAUR > tCFQaGlsaXAgTC4gRHVib2lzIDxkdWJvaXNAY3NuLm9yZz6JAJUCBRAsw4TxZXmE > uMepZt0BAT0OA/9IoCBZLFpF9lhV1+epBi49hykiHefRdQwbHmLa9kO0guepdkyF > i8kqJLEqPEUIrRtiZVHiOLLwkTRrFHV7q9lAuETJMDIDifeV1O/TGVjMiIFGKOuN > dzByyidjqdlPFtPZtFbzffi9BomTb8O3xm2cBomxxqsV82U3HDdAXaY5Xw== > =5uit > - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > > Here is my (Hugh Miller's) public key: > > - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > Version: 2.6.2 > > mQCNAy7frrEAAAEEALzOAQt+eWHzXSDLRgJaQMQ7Uju1xrD9mXAZGAG1GmiTNjKl > wK68qOXrwJvnH1BmGtg8GGv53nTeabltpn5crsQVFm+0623M56/T7SOeUBWxxoa0 > vvqAA8sJ6ac1/MXY9KIgqxu8Mu6Qwf68C4OnwCbE7T71bi+fjdEdYC5Hk8UpAAUR > tB1IdWdoIE1pbGxlciA8aG1pbGxlckBsdWMuZWR1PokAlQMFEC7ryVNleYS4x6lm > 3QEBW6YD/2IOIZX9FOggNyemvPwM/EN86KW74ZGuYuTIfPCrvOMy8pFqfE33Bw93 > UkyIDj1Yh/nDlclEOO/J0tyngPn2BD2vMtaKIGRhVjnoxQc3BfzdjJ2nnHoFzAjz > 0MBxYthysmWYsyF8cQxST6LZLITKkf41dti8SVKYVRWIgkyub02HiQCVAwUQLt/F > oNEdYC5Hk8UpAQHD1wP9GdN9OHAKkIRsHeHy0wsEkI4Emb/bHiU+W59Zw7NPWsWF > 3WTT1z8GKNToQLUdysbbJuSSk3rD3F4SNGJ+KPjR4674pmEfCVVP8cQPXEl4a3Zs > xSLWNI6rG3muUAfLdyZiFP08NthOVlP2h1aOLCqIgkjEYMfQNEgkefBRJd6JywI= > =hWCA > - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > > * * * > > This campaign letter will be posted in a number of Usenet groups. > I will also be turning it into a FAQ-formatted document, which will be > posted monthly in the relevant groups and which will be available by > anonymous ftp from ftp://ftp.math.luc.edu/pub/hmiller/PGP/pzdf.FAQ. If > you come upon, or up with, any other ways in which we can help raise funds > for Phil, drop me a line at hmiller(a)luc.edu and let me know, so that I > can put it in the FAQ. > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: 2.6.2 > > iQCVAwUBLvFO3tEdYC5Hk8UpAQF6IwQAp3Ig71gGRj/dDGXDBdqj55uMQQsywhi2 > pEzh0arfrRonqMX0UleysqYqjcUtm0rvbrXoYUy8a9vJzj4Wuyf1dQ6WyqBkcmOX > z7RGtoLVxsfTjNNTrY0810SXx/yOMYtBW7mq+zNmqEykGFZTdfsVKFEyFw6AJ//B > Ah+LQNb01Xo= > =aW2m > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > -- > Hugh Miller, Ph.D. Voice: 312-508-2727 > Asst. Professor of Philosophy FAX: 312-508-2292 > Loyola University Chicago Home: 312-338-2689 > 6525 N. Sheridan Rd. E-mail: hmiller(a)luc.edu > Chicago, IL 60626 WWW: http://www.luc.edu/~hmiller > PGP Public Key 4793C529: FC D2 08 BB 0C 6D CB C8 0B F9 BA 55 62 19 40 21 -- Signature withdrawn at the request (pretty rightfully so) of my dear friends on the Cypherpunk List Coming Soon: The Internet Debut of CENSORED.COM

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(fwd) Re: Phil Zimmermann
by Carol Anne Braddock 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Organization: Minnesota MicroNet, St. Paul, MN Path: vortex.mm.com!news2.mr.net!mr.net!winternet.com!drechsau From: drechsau(a)winternet.com (Mike Horwath) Newsgroups: soc.support.transgendered,alt.transgendered,mn.general,alt.sex.femdom,alt.artcom,alt.sex.bondage,alt.sex,comp.infosystems.www.users,alt.dreams.lucid,alt.dreams Subject: Re: Phil Zimmermann Followup-To: soc.support.transgendered,alt.transgendered,mn.general,alt.sex.femdom,alt.artcom,alt.sex.bondage,alt.sex,comp.infosystems.www.users,alt.dreams.lucid,alt.dreams Date: 5 Jan 1995 23:57:09 GMT Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3ei10l$mvo(a)blackice.winternet.com> References: <3dtkaj$lg8(a)news-2.csn.net> <3dvdsb$ads$1(a)mhade.production.compuserve.com> <mpjD1MvLD.4Ht(a)netcom.com> <Pine.SUN.3.91.950102035552.23484I-100000(a)icicle.winternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: icicle.winternet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] We wish to apologize for Carol Anne's actions while with Winternet. This account has been deleted for breach of our AUP. Questions, comments, problems or general bitching, please reply to this message. -- Mike Horwath IRC: Drechsau LIFE: Lover drechsau(a)winternet.com Winternet: info(a)winternet.com root(a)jacobs.mn.org <- Linux! Twin Cities area Internet Access: 612-941-9177 for more info Founding member of Minnesota Coalition for Internet Accessibility -- Signature withdrawn at the request (pretty rightfully so) of my dear friends on the Cypherpunk List Coming Soon: The Internet Debut of CENSORED.COM

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(fwd) Re: Phil Zimmermann
by Carol Anne Braddock 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Path: vortex.mm.com!news2.mr.net!mr.net!skypoint.com!jlogajan From: jlogajan(a)skypoint.com (John Logajan) Newsgroups: mn.general Subject: Re: Phil Zimmermann Date: 6 Jan 1995 05:09:12 GMT Organization: SkyPoint Communications, Inc. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3eij9o$8nu(a)stratus.skypoint.net> Reply-To: jlogajan(a)skypoint.com NNTP-Posting-Host: mirage.skypoint.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Mike Horwath (drechsau(a)winternet.com) wrote: : We wish to apologize for Carol Anne's actions while with Winternet. : This account has been deleted for breach of our AUP. : Questions, comments, problems or general bitching, please reply to this : message. Since you are publicly accusing Carol Anne of "breach of our AUP", you better explain what horrible crime she committed. -- - John Logajan -- jlogajan(a)skypoint.com -- 612-633-0345 - - 4248 Hamline Ave; Arden Hills, Minnesota (MN) 55112 USA - - WWW URL = http://www.skypoint.com/subscribers/jlogajan - -- Signature withdrawn at the request (pretty rightfully so) of my dear friends on the Cypherpunk List Coming Soon: The Internet Debut of CENSORED.COM

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(fwd) Re: Phil Zimmermann
by Carol Anne Braddock 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Path: vortex.mm.com!news2.mr.net!mr.net!winternet.com!news From: "Mr.Fish" <mwalleye(a)winternet.com> Newsgroups: soc.support.transgendered,alt.transgendered,mn.general,alt.sex.femdom,alt.artcom,alt.sex.bondage,alt.sex,comp.infosystems.www.users,alt.dreams.lucid,alt.dreams Subject: Re: Phil Zimmermann Date: 6 Jan 1995 05:39:51 GMT Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3eil37$6a(a)blackice.winternet.com> References: <3dtkaj$lg8(a)news-2.csn.net> <3dvdsb$ads$1(a)mhade.production.compuserve.com> <mpjD1MvLD.4Ht(a)netcom.com> <Pine.SUN.3.91.950102035552.23484I-100000(a)icicle.winternet.com> <3ei10l$mvo(a)blackice.winternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mwalleye.winternet.com > We wish to apologize for Carol Anne's actions while with Winternet. > > This account has been deleted for breach of our AUP. > > Questions, comments, problems or general bitching, please reply to this > message. > > -- > Mike Horwath IRC: Drechsau LIFE: Lover drechsau(a)winternet.com Looking at the groups that you cross-posted, I sure as heck would like to know what she did to get kicked off?;) What the heck do you have to apologize for Mike? Unless you might of been involved too?;) I told you you've been working too hard. Come on now bud, give us the lowdown! -- Signature withdrawn at the request (pretty rightfully so) of my dear friends on the Cypherpunk List Coming Soon: The Internet Debut of CENSORED.COM

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Nope, the Skypoint Newsreader didn't carry any of the 9 groups.
by Carol Anne Braddock 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear All, And, amazingly neither does MM.Com. And if I'm going to infer, I'd better go back and look at the facts on hand. No, Mr. Horwath's reader has up to 4,500 or so groups in it at any given moment. Here at MM.Com we only have 1,009 to be precise. So let us remind ourselves that this didn't even get "full" coverage in a lot of places. And, in some maybe none at all. So stay tuned, as the story of the anonymous remailer cartel works it's way into place. I have a chain.exe script in the winternet.files. Spose I could go net.rad and go get another from soda.berkeley or somewhere. Look remailers, meet somehwere face to face, shake hands, hug each other, cut a deal eyeball to eyeball, just do the best you can with what you've got. So remailer cartel 1.0 has a bug or two. So does all humanity. Even so did my logic for a minute or two (only). So go somewhere fun and sort it out. And write what wonderful "vacations" you having, as you all will be MAKING MONEY FAST, within hours after your glorious return to civilization. (even money says the anon server bounces this to somebody) And as I stated four postings ago. No Mr. Ste. Marie only ten, and as we saw in some cases only one. not hundreds or thousands, just a few. .1% One One Tenth of a Percent. And, one instance of One One Hundreth of a Percent. About as bad as the pentium bug story. And that's still an acceptable post in any group. Somebody uses PGP in any of those groups. They are my friends. I hope I can learn remailer procedure and code soon, it looks fun. Thanks for your time. Love Always, Carol Anne

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pgp shells for windows....
by RopeGun＠calvino.alaska.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've read the pgp docs and several other unofficial documents on pgp and I have come to the conclusion that a shell for pgp is the most sensible approach using such a powerfull encryption program. I've searched to the best of my abilities and have found several pgp shells for windows, but all of them seem to assume that the user has an above average understanding of the workings of pgp and all of its uses. At this point your probably thinking that I'm looking for an easy way to get around learning pgp the hard way, but I'm not... the whole idea of pgp is that privacy and security be available to anyone, using any platform. But ease of use was not really one of the features built into pgp. If anyone can refer me to a windows shell for pgp (for dummys :-) ) I would like to get a copy of it for distribution on the bullitin board nets... Was I to verbose? \\|||||||// | o o | Oren Tanay | J | RopeGun(a)alaska.net \--- www.alaska.net/~RopeGun/RopeGun.html "My Cat Can Eat A Whole WaterMelon" >From owner-cypherpunks Sat Jan 7 02:21:34 1995

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Re: pgp shells for windows....
by RopeGun＠calvino.alaska.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

winpgp2.6 was the most succesfull pgp shell I could find but the interface was stale and non descript. including the fact that when it executed the commands it opened a window and I was interfacing with the dos pgp interface, I found that a little redundant for a shell program; but then again I'm not sure if an interface with pgp can be done any other way. \\|||||||// | o o | Oren Tanay | J | RopeGun(a)alaska.net \--- www.alaska.net/~RopeGun/RopeGun.html "My Cat Can Eat A Whole WaterMelon" >From owner-cypherpunks Fri Jan 6 23:59:11 1995

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Compliance and lax Customs
by rishab＠dxm.ernet.in 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In India telco (and several other) laws are ridiculously outdated (see my "FREEdom on the Net in India" Electrosphere, WIRED 3.01), although our Customs are pretty techno-savvy, as they need to know prices off the cuff for all the goodies people try to smuggle in without duty. But we're quite adept here at ignoring many of the more inconvenient laws - I just bought myself a new 540 mb hard disk for the equivalent of $350, and none of the BBSes pay the required $50,000/year license fee. It's nice to know that the US Customs are catching up with the technical incompetence one sees in the LEAs here. But I guess American Cypherpunks are to compliant to attempt to take advantage of such things. In fact, there's been a noticeable slump in the mirroring of crypto from US-only ftp sites to Europe. Obviously Cypherpunks are far more law-abiding in _practice_ than the media would have us believe, based on what they _discuss_ ;-) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rishab Aiyer Ghosh "In between the breaths is rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in the space where we live" rishab(a)arbornet.org - Lawrence Durrell Voice/Fax/Data +91 11 6853410 Voicemail +91 11 3760335 H 34C Saket, New Delhi 110017, INDIA

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Re: SAN FRANCISCO EDITORIAL
by rishab＠dxm.ernet.in 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sandy posted Martha "Spam" Siegel's SF Chronicle editorial. If it boiled anyone's blood quite enough to write a letter to the paper on both the author's background as well as the unconstitutionality of her 'solutions', I'd be happy to sign my name in support. BTW while paranoia is good for C'punks, I don't see a hidden plot in the recent media coverage of anonymity. The media likes 'hot' issues, and have flogged the other one - kiddie porn - to death. Everyone from Newsweek to The Economist mentioned pedophilia, simply because it grabs attention more than global K-12 projects conducted over the net, just as anonymity grabs more attention in relation to crime than to sexual abuse recovery groups. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rishab Aiyer Ghosh "In between the breaths is rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in the space where we live" rishab(a)arbornet.org - Lawrence Durrell Voice/Fax/Data +91 11 6853410 Voicemail +91 11 3760335 H 34C Saket, New Delhi 110017, INDIA

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