December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Netscape the Big Win
by tcmay＠sensemedia.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 1:42 AM 7/21/95, Lucky Green wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >In article <ac33f977080210043230(a)[205.199.118.202]>, tcmay(a)sensemedia.net >(Timothy C. May) wrote: > >>Frankly, one of the great boons of my current setup is that I can >>completely get away from Unix tools and commands, away from my Unix shell >>account at Netcom, away from the arcane commands that vary from program to >>program, away from tin and elm and emacs...my fingers are already >>forgetting the emacs commands! >> >>(Those of you like Unix, fine. I agree it is useful for many things, so I'm >>not trying to debate Unix vs. the world. Just giving my perspective, and >>apparently the perspective of the many who are adopting the Web browsers as >>their "operating environments," insulated from the underlying cruft.) > >Is this the same T.C. May that used to argue vehemently that if it can't >be displayed on a VT52, it was no good? Did a space alien take over Tim? If you read my messages of last December, you'll see I said this on 15 December 1994: "I see two "stable attractors" for text/graphics/multimedia/etc. sent over the Net: "1. Straight text, ASCII, 80 column format. All systems can handle this, all mailers and newsreaders can handle it, it's what the Usenet is essentially based upon, and it gets the job done. It meets the needs of 95% of us for 95% of our needs. "2. The Web, for graphics, images, etc. This will be the next main stable attractor, deployed on many platforms. (I'm assuming the debate here about Netscape standards does not imply much of a fragmentation, that Mosaic, Netscape, MacWeb, etc., will all basically be able to display Web pages in much the same way.)" I'd say this is very consistent with what I've been saying recently. --Tim May .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)sensemedia.net | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-728-0152 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Corralitos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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RE: Netscape the Big Win(dows)
by tcmay＠sensemedia.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 2:54 AM 7/21/95, Robert Hettinga wrote: >Tell us about it in 6 months, Tim, when you've grown out of Netscape. You >sound like someone who's totally enamored with their "-works" app. Most >people end up using more specialized apps when they hit the wall with >something which won't get all those "general purposes" taken care of... No, I don't use any of the "-works" apps, and I think the success of the Web speaks for itself...this is not a view I have just come to, as my recent message shows. And I'm not wedded to "Netscape" per se, though that particular environment has the current momentum. I've also used Mosaic and MacWeb to do much the same things, but find Netscape smoother. Out of curiousity, the phrase "grown out of Netscape," aside from the implied barb, means what? Just what am I missing and what do I need to "grow out of"? If, perchance, this is just what of those throwaway barbs, implying I move from fad to fad (as Fraering's post implied), you should know that I stuck with tin/elm/emacs/eudora for more than 3 years, as nothing obviously better--and worth the learning curve to switch to--had come along. (In the Mac domain I used other programs, none of them "-works" packages.) But, I'll tell you what, I *will* tell you about it in 6 months, whether or not I've grown out of Netscape! --Tim May .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)sensemedia.net | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-728-0152 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Corralitos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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News from Disney Online - July 1997
by Family.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Disney Online welcomes your questions and comments. If you have a question or comment, please point your browser to http://www.family.com, and click on "Write Us" in the right hand index of our home page. We suggest you copy into your message the part of the newsletter that relates to your question! Dear Disney.com Guest, We'd like to introduce you to a site designed to meet all your parenting needs -- Disney's Family.com. In the weeks ahead, Family.com will bring you many special features to help you be the best parent possible. Don't miss our stories on travel, food, activities, child development and more. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~FREE OFFER~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This month we have exciting news. For 30 days, you can see and use all of Family.com for free, including our searchable database of stories, an interactive cookbook to help you cook better and faster, and our large network of bulletin boards. You also get access to all of our local event calendars, features and resources, provided by over 100 regional parenting publications in the U.S. and Canada. Come to http://www.family.com and enjoy the entire site for free! Here's just some of what's happening on Family.com this week : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~PARENTING EXPERTS~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * Penelope Leach helps you deal with a clingy toddler * Jan Faull tells how to get big kids to do their chores * Barton Schmitt explains how to handle the five kinds of temper tantrums. You can also find advice about your own specific parenting problems in our vast database, which includes past columns from these experts. Read it all at: http://www.family.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ACTIVITIES~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * Ideas for games that will keep kids cool on hot summer days Search the database for age-appropriate ideas using supplies you already have on hand. Find it at http://www.family.com. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~TRAVEL~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * Ideas for games in the car from Penny Whistle, a popular feature that originally ran in Family Planet. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~FOOD~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * Quick hot weather meals using just a can of tuna Plus unlimited access to our Recipe Express, an interactive cookbook that will find a recipe for you, make the shopping list, and even help plan your meals. Check out how easy it is at: http://www.family.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~LEARNING~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * A guide to teaching your kids how to handle (and appreciate) money Search the database for ideas to help your children keep learning all summer long. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~D-CARDS~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * You get unlimited free access to D-Cards, our library of electronic greeting cards. We've got one for every occasion. Nothing says "Happy Birthday" or "I'm thinking of you" like a D-Card. To send your message today, visit: http://www.family.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ALL THIS PLUS~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ **EVERY WEEK DAY** --a different special travel deal and --a different project to keep kids busy and interested And these **NEW FEATURES**, provided by YOU, our guests: --WE WERE THERE, stories from real families all across the country about where they went on vacation -- and what they liked and didn't like and --FAVORITE RECIPES -, appetizers, main dishes, side dishes and desserts from your recipe files. FINALLY, we put it all together for you on our Bulletin Boards. Find even more ideas, and exchange information, help and advice with other parents just like you. It's all at http://www.family.com. =================================================== We've sent you this note because of your previous interest in family-related material. If you no longer wish to receive news about Family.com, please go to http://www.family.com/News and we'll promptly remove you from the list.

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Something occured to me
by Robert A. Hayden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- About two weeks ago, there was some talk in here with regards to holding DC lawmakers crominally liable for passign bad laws. This was followed up with postins pointing out that you can't do that. However, this morning I remembered something. Whent he republicans took over the congress, they instidtued that Contract on America. One of the first laws that was passed (by both parties, I might add) was a law that made lawmakers abide by the same laws that "normal" people abide by. Does this change, in any fashion, the original idea? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: PGP Signed with PineSign 2.2 iQCVAwUBMA+76DokqlyVGmCFAQEmdgQAsM6fAjnwWMDqCIHQG2HGp6ECY3ITexxr N8HFSTZUN7C34fPhAkTmUgalSKbv15Pcca8QXTutXTxhBAXsbTn8rCuQNhdjzigN pXl77a/KRkQqkMCED9DoRkemD3Pt4zPAtQDJbcHmSfokovUSr0q0cFZF8aveCmAB hEyRQEIFgAo= =Ha4N -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> Cthulhu Matata \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> hayden(a)krypton.mankato.msus.edu \/ Finger for PGP Public Key <=> http://att2.cs.mankato.msus.edu/~hayden

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RE: Netscape the Big Win
by tcmay＠sensemedia.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:45 AM 7/21/95, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote: >At 10:39 7/20/95, Timothy C. May wrote: >>To state an obvious non-crypto use of such "modules," why do all major word >>processing and page layout apps have their own "dictionaries"? Why do I >>have to train the dictionaries of Word, Nisus, FrameMaker, MORE, etc.? That >>there have not been "dictionary modules," for many and sundry reasons, is >>telling. (Before anyone mentions it, one can on the Mac use things like >>"Thunder" instead of the local dictionaries...this is not the same as a >>module usable by all programs, but instead is a user choice to bypass the >>local dictionaries. We could quibble for hours about whether this is in >>fact a universal module or not. > > >Since the support that Thunder 7 provides (with Wordprocessing and >Wordprocessing-Like Programs that it supports) is indistinguishable from >that provided by each program's integrated SpellChecker (along with T7 >providing a common set of "extra" User-Extendable Dictionaries as well as a >Glossary/Mis-Spelling/Words-to-Replace Dictionary [ie: Pre-Prime the list >of incorrectly spelled words for "Replace All" so the user's personal >misspellings are automatically corrected without any interaction on his/her >part]), I think the ball is initially in the court of those who claim it is >not a universal module (admittedly only for those WPs it supports) to >explain why is does not function as one would function if it existed. Yes, I was the one who mentioned "Thunder." Should I justify why it is "not a universal module"? I won't waste our time. The essence, though, of having "parts" is that the suppliers of _other_ programs would not then have to supply the overlapping functions. In the case of Thunder, it may be useful and all (which is what I said when I mentioned it), but it's sufficiently obscure/unavailable that the makers of my various word processing programs and page preparation programs supply their own (and incompatible) dictionaries. This was my point. --Tim May .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)sensemedia.net | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-728-0152 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Corralitos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Satellite Tool Kit available FREE! (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: >From owner-traveller(a)Phaser.ShowCase.MPGN.COM Sat Jul 26 12:43:45 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970726103449.032c3494(a)mail.pcisys.net> X-Sender: goldendj(a)mail.pcisys.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 10:34:49 -0600 To: traveller(a)MPGN.COM, tne-rces(a)tower.clark.net, gdw-beta(a)qrc.com From: "David J. Golden" <goldendj(a)pcisys.net> Subject: Satellite Tool Kit available FREE! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-traveller(a)Phaser.ShowCase.MPGN.COM Reply-To: traveller(a)MPGN.COM For those who haven't heard, Analytical Graphics, Inc. is releasing version 4.0 of their Satellite Tool Kit (STK) program, absolutely free. Their web site says they've decided it's the best way to introduce engineers to its power; the way I heard it, they lost a lawsuit claiming it was developed with government money and hence _can't_ legally sell it. At any rate, the add-on modules still cost large quantities of filthy lucre, but the basic program is quite impressive for anybody wanting to model satellite orbits, sensor and communicator field-of-view, etc., etc. Check it out at www.stk.com. -- Dave Golden http://www.pcisys.net/~goldendj -- goldendj(a)pcisys.net finger for PGP key *** USE OF THE ABOVE EMAIL FOR SOLICITATION PROHIBITED *** "He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself" -- Thomas Paine

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Re: Why no action alert, coalition opposing S. 974?
by Paul Elliott 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Many of the leaders of the major net civil liberties organizations have made statements concerning SB 974. They seem to agree that no action alert or coalition on SB 974 should be formed at this time. Some of the statements about SB 974. "Silly Bill" "not going anywhere" "subcommittee hearing not set yet" "premature" "inflammatory distraction" "campaign is unlikely to be successful" "the bill is doomed" I remain concerned about this bill and am not satisfied with the response to this bill. Exon was a silly bill, but it passed the Senate by a wide margin. How can a campaign to stop the bill not be successful if the bill is not going anywhere? Perhaps we need to have a success to gain momentum. The people on the subcommittee are going to be very important as the rest of the Senate will consider them to be the "experts". Since the net is esoteric to most people there will be a strong tendency to depend on the "experts". The best time to persuade these "experts" will be before they make any public statements about the bill in the subcommittee hearings and their positions are locked by pride not wanting to publicly change their positions. Thus we should be contacting these people now, and we may have a chance to nip SB 974 in the bud. By the way, what subcommittee was it sent to? I understand it was one of the subcommittees of Judiciary but no one said which one. Because there is no action alert, people do not know what States have the senators on the sub-committee. People from these States are the ones that should be especially encouraged to contact their Senators. In any case, it is clear that if any significant action on SB 974 will be taken at this time, the CYPHERPUNKS will have to do it. The major net civil liberties organizations have bowed out for now. Are there any cypherpunks out there who can help? Perhaps someone has writing skills that would be willing to write an action alert? Perhaps someone knows which subcommittee it was sent to? Since SB 974 hobbles our right to use encryption, the cypherpunks should be especially interested in opposing it. -- Paul Elliott Telephone: 1-713-781-4543 Paul.Elliott(a)hrnowl.lonestar.org Address: 3987 South Gessner #224 Houston Texas 77063

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Government Access to Safes
by Martin Minow 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

You may have been following the recent murder of Gianni Versace and the subsequent suicide of his alleged murderer. One minor footnote that popped up in the news is a small safe located in the houseboat where the suicide was found. This safe uses a keypad lock (rather than a mechanical combination or physical key). Is this more secure than a regular safe lock? Does the government have an access key that would premit a law enforcement officer (with appropriate authority) to open any such lock? Should I be required to deposit the secret key to my safe with a government-mandated "escrow" agent? Martin Minow minow(a)apple.com

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Louie Freeh
by ben＠reston.opnsys.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I was just listening to the G. Gordon Liddy Show, he was talking to a reporter for the American Spectator, which has a piece on our favorite FBI director Freeh. From the sound of the reporter the story is very damming, on everything from Waco to the entrappment of Malcolm X's daughter. Ben Hill From the land of the Freeh

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Yet another self-labeling system (do you remember -L18?)
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 12:08:32 -0400 (EDT) From: James Love <love(a)cptech.org> To: Jonah Seiger <jseiger(a)cdt.org> Cc: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com>, fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu, chris_barr(a)cnet.com Subject: Re: CDT, RSACi, and "public service" groups Jonah, I think the problems with the RSACi rating system are pretty obvious, and I also think it should be obvious that *any* rating system that would aspire to rate all or even a significant number of web pages would be a bad thing. That said, it seems to me that there exist web pages that are unambiguously inappropriate for children. Has CDT rejected the idea of a very narrowly focused voluntary rating system that would apply to those sites only? I have in mind a simple voluntary tag of the nature: <META NAME="Rating" CONTENT="adult"> that would only be used when the web site wanted to signal that it did not want children to have access to the site? It seems to me that a consensus to use this simple system would take the steam out of the more ambitious (and troubling) PICs type systems, and also do much to eliminate the market for filtering software. I also think it would make it easier for many libraries and schools to permit students to have unrestricted access to the Internet. I know that some people think this simple tagging system is not among the proposals seriously under consideration. But why should we let RSAC or large commerical entities like AOL or Microsoft control this debate? In any event, I was wondering what CDT's thoughts are on this. James Love <love(a)cptech.org> ------------------------------- James Love Center for Study of Responsive Law | Consumer Project on Technology P.O. Box 19367, Washington, DC 20036 | http://www.cptech.org Voice 202/387-8030 | Fax 202/234-5176 | love(a)cptech.org

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