December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

TURN $20. INTO $20,000. THIS REALLY WORKS TRY IT!!!
by 10958720＠16882.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear friend, The following income opportunity is one you may be interested in taking a look at. It can be started with VERY MINIMAL outlay and the income return is TREMENDOUS! <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> You are about to make at least $50,000 - In less than 90 days Read the enclosed program...THEN READ IT AGAIN!... <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> The enclosed information is something I almost let slip through my fingers. Fortunately, sometime later I re-read everything and gave some thought and study to it. My name is Christopher Erickson. Two years ago, the corporation I worked at for the past twelve years down-sized and my position was eliminated. After unproductive job interviews, I decided to open my own business. Over the past year, I incurred many unforeseen financial problems. I owed my family, friends, and creditors over $35,000. The economy was taking a toll on my business and I just couldn't seem to make ends meet. I had to refinance and borrow against my home to support my family and struggling business. I truly believe it was wrong for me to be in debt like this. AT THAT MOMENT something significant happened in my life and I am writing to share my experience in hopes that this will change your life FOREVER....FINANCIALLY!!! In mid-December, I received this program via email. Six months prior to receiving this program I had been sending away for information on various business opportunities. All of the programs I received, in my opinion, were not cost effective. They were either too difficult for me to comprehend or the initial investment was too much for me to risk to see if they worked or not. One claimed I'd make a million dollars in one year...it didn't tell me I'd have to write a book to make it. But like I was saying, in December of '95 I received this program. I didn't send for it, or ask for it, they just got my name off a mailing list. THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT!!! After reading it several times, to make sure I was reading it correctly, I couldn't believe my eyes. Here was a MONEY-MAKING PHENOMENON. I could invest as much as I wanted to start, without putting me further in debt. After I got a pencil and paper and figured it out, I would at least get my money back. After determining that the program is LEGAL and NOT A CHAIN LETTER, I decided "WHY NOT". Initially I sent out 10,000 emails. It only cost me about $15.00 for my time on-line. The great thing about email is that I didn't need any money for printing to send out the program, only the cost to fulfill my orders. I am telling you like it is, I hope it doesn't turn you off, but I promised myself that I would not "rip-off" anyone, no matter how much money it cost me! A good program to help do this is Ready Aim Fire, an email extracting and mass mail program @ http://microsyssolutions.com/raf/ In less than one week, I was starting to receive orders for REPORT #1. By January 13th, I had received 26 orders for REPORT #1. When you read the GUARANTEE in the program, you will see that "YOU MUST RECEIVE 15 TO 20 ORDERS FOR REPORT #1 WITHIN TWO WEEKS. IF YOU DON'T, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO!" My first step in making $50,000 in 20 to 90 days was done. By January 30th, I had received 196 orders for REPORT #2. If you go back to the GUARANTEE, "YOU MUST RECEIVE 100 OR MORE ORDERS FOR REPORT #2 WITHIN TWO WEEKS. IF NOT, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO. ONCE YOU HAVE 100 ORDERS, THE REST IS EASY, RELAX, YOU WILL MAKE YOUR $50,000 GOAL." Well, I had 196 orders for REPORT #2, 96 more than I needed. So I sat back and relaxed. By March 19th, of my emailing of 10,000, I received $58,000 with more coming in every day. I paid off ALL my debts and bought a much needed new car. Please take time to read the attached program, IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER! Remember, it wont work if you don't try it. This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rules of not trying to place your name in a different place. It doesn't work, you'll lose out on a lot of money! REPORT #2 explains this. Always follow the guarantee, 15 to 20 orders for REPORT #1, and 100 or more orders for REPORT #2 and you will make $50,000 or more in 20 to 90 days. I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT WORKS !!! If you choose not to participate in this program, I'm sorry. It really is a great opportunity with little cost or risk to you. If you choose to participate, follow the program and you will be on your way to financial security. If you are a fellow business owner and you are in financial trouble like I was, or you want to start your own business, consider this a sign. I DID! Sincerely, Christopher Erickson PS Do you have any idea what 11,700 $5 bills ($58,000) look like piled up on a kitchen table? IT'S AWESOME! "I THREW IT AWAY" "I had received this program before. I threw it away, but later wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get a copy, so I had to wait until I was emailed another copy of the program. Eleven months passed, then it came. I DIDN'T throw this one away. I made $41,000 on the first try." Dawn W., Evansville, IN "NO FREE LUNCH" "My late father always told me, 'remember, Alan, there is no free lunch in life. You get out of life what you put into it.' Through trial and error and a somewhat slow frustrating start, I finally figured it out. The program works very well, I just had to find the right target group of people to email it to. So far this year, I have made over $63,000 using this program. I know my dad would have been very proud of me." Alan B., Philadelphia, PA A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM By the time you have read the enclosed information and looked over the enclosed program and reports, you should have concluded that such a program, and one that is legal, could not have been created by an amateur. Let me tell you a little about myself. I had a profitable business for ten years. Then in 1979 my business began falling off. I was doing the same things that were previously successful for me, but it wasn't working. Finally, I figured it out. It wasn't me, it was the economy. Inflation and recession had replaced the stable economy that had been with us since 1945. I don't have to tell you what happened to the unemployment rate...because many of you know from first hand experience. There were more failures and bankruptcies than ever before. The middle class was vanishing. Those who knew what they were doing invested wisely and moved up. Those who did not, including those who never had anything to save or invest, were moving down into the ranks of the poor. As the saying goes, "THE RICH GET RICHER AND THE POOR GET POORER." The traditional methods of making money will never allow you to "move up" or "get rich", inflation will see to that. You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with "NO RISK" and "JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT." You can make more money in the next few months than you have ever imagined. I should also point out that I will not see a penny of your money, nor anyone else who has provided a testimonial for this program. I have already made over FOUR MILLION DOLLARS! I have retired from the program after sending out over 16,000 programs. Now I have several offices which market this and several other programs here in the US and overseas. By the Spring, we wish to market the 'Internet' by a partnership with AMERICA ON LINE. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to email a copy of this exciting program to everyone that you can think of. One of the people you send this to may send out 50,000...and your name will be on every one of them!. Remember though, the more you send out, the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent, IT IS UP TO YOU NOW! "THINK ABOUT IT" Before you delete this program from your mailbox, as I almost did, take a little time to read it and REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. Get a pencil and figure out what could happen when YOU participate. Figure out the worst possible response and no matter how you calculate it, you will still make a lot of money! Definitely get back what you invested. Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come in. IT WORKS! Paul Johnson, Raleigh, NC HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU $$$$$$ Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we'll assume you and all those involved send out 2,000 programs each. Let's also assume that the mailing receives a .5% response. Using a good list the response could be much better. Also many people will send out hundreds of thousands of programs instead of 2,000. But continuing with this example, you send out only 2,000 programs. With a 5% response, that is only 10 orders for REPORT #1. Those 10 people respond by sending out 2,000 programs each for a total of 20,000. Out of those .5%, 100 people respond and order REPORT #2. Those 100 mail out 2,000 programs each for a total of 200,000. The .5% response to that is 1,000 orders for REPORT #3. Those 1,000 send out 2,000 programs each for a 2,000,000 total. The .5% response to that is 10,000 orders for REPORT #4. That's 10,000 five dollar bills for you. CASH!!!! Your total income in this example is $50 + $500 + $5000 +$50,000 for a total of $55,550!!!! REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF 2,000 PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING... AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE OR HALF SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF ONLY 2,000. Believe me, many people will do that and more! By the way, your cost to participate in this is practically nothing. You obviously already have an internet connection and email is FREE!!! REPORT #3 will show you the best methods for bulk emailing and purchasing email lists. THIS IS A LEGITIMATE, LEGAL, MONEY MAKING OPPORTUNITY. It does not require you to come in contact with people, do any hard work, and best of all, you never have to leave the house except to get the mail. If you believe that someday you'll get that big break that you've been waiting for, THIS IS IT! Simply follow the instructions, and your dream will come true. This multi-level email order marketing program works perfectly...100% EVERY TIME. Email is the sales tool of the future. Take advantage of this non-commercialized method of advertising NOW!! The longer you wait, the more people will be doing business using email. Get your piece of this action!! MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING (MLM) has finally gained respectability. It is being taught in the Harvard Business School, and both Stanford Research and The Wall Street Journal have stated that between 50% and 65% of all goods and services will be sold throughout Multi-level Methods by the mid to late 1990's. This is a Multi-Billion Dollar industry and of the 500,000 millionaires in the US, 20% (100,000) made their fortune in the last several years in MLM. Moreover, statistics show 45 people become millionaires everyday through Multi-Level Marketing. INSTRUCTIONS We at Erris Mail Order Marketing Business, have a method of raising capital that REALLY WORKS 100% EVERY TIME. I am sure that you could use $50,000 to $125,000 in the next 20 to 90 days. Before you say "Bull", please read the program carefully. This is not a chain letter, but a perfectly legal money making opportunity. Basically, this is what we do: As with all multi-level business, we build our business by recruiting new partners and selling our products. Every state in the USA allows you to recruit new multi-level business partners, and we offer a product for EVERY dollar sent. YOUR ORDERS COME AND ARE FILLED THROUGH THE MAIL, so you are not involved in personal selling. You do it privately in your own home, store or office. This is the GREATEST Multi-level Mail Order Marketing anywhere: Step (1) Order all four 4 REPORTS listed by NAME AND NUMBER. Do this by ordering the REPORT from each of the four 4 names listed on the next page. For each REPORT, send $5 CASH and a SELF-ADDRESSED, STAMPED envelope (BUSINESS SIZE #10) to the person listed for the SPECIFIC REPORT. International orders should also include $1 extra for postage. It is essential that you specify the NAME and NUMBER of the report requested to the person you are ordering from. You will need ALL FOUR (4) REPORTS because you will be REPRINTING and RESELLING them. DO NOT alter the names or sequence other than what the instructions say. IMPORTANT: Always provide same-day service on all orders. Step (2) Replace the name and address under REPORT #1 withyours, moving the one that was there down to REPORT #2. Drop the name and address under REPORT #2 to REPORT #3, moving the one that was there to REPORT #4. The name and address that was under REPORT #4 is dropped from the list and this party is no doubt on the way to the bank. When doing this, make certain you type the names and addresses ACCURATELY! DO NOT MIX UP MOVING PRODUCT/REPORT POSITIONS!!! Step (3) Having made the required changes in the NAME list, save it as a text (.txt) file in it's own directory to be used with whatever email program you like. Again, REPORT #3 will tell you the best methods of bulk emailing and acquiring email lists. Step (4) Email a copy of the entire program (all of this is very important) to everyone whose address you can get your hands on. Start with friends and relatives since you can encourage them to take advantage of this fabulous money-making opportunity. that's what I did. And they love me now, more than ever. Then, email to anyone and everyone! Use your imagination! You can get email addresses from companies on the internet who specialize in email mailing lists. These are very cheap, 100,000 addresses for around $35.00. IMPORTANT: You won't get a good response if you use an old list, so always request a FRESH, NEW list. You will find out where to purchase these lists when you order the four 4 REPORTS. ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS!!! REQUIRED REPORTS ***Order each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME*** ALWAYS SEND A SELF-ADDRESSED, STAMPED ENVELOPE AND $5 CASH FOR EACH ORDER REQUESTING THE SPECIFIC REPORT BY NAME AND NUMBER ________________________________________________________ REPORT #1 "HOW TO MAKE $250,000 THROUGH MULTI-LEVEL SALES" ORDER REPORT #1 FROM: K&H ENTERPRISES P.O. BOX 60366 LAS VEGAS, NV. 89160-0366 ________________________________________________________ REPORT #2 "MAJOR CORPORATIONS AND MULTI-LEVEL SALES" ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: E & C Enterprises 11112 E. 13TH PL. TULSA,OK. 74128 ________________________________________________________ REPORT #3 "SOURCES FOR THE BEST MAILING LISTS" ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: EDCAL MARKETING 8125 E. 51ST. SUITE E TULSA,OK 74145 ________________________________________________________ REPORT #4 "EVALUATING MULTI-LEVEL SALES PLANS" ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: C & B Enterprises 1110 W 131 STREET JENKS, OK 74037 _______________________________________________________ CONCLUSION .I am enjoying my fortune that I made by sending out this program. You too, will be making money in 20 to 90 days, if you follow the SIMPLE STEPS outlined in this mailing. To be financially independent is to be FREE. Free to make financial decisions as never before. Go into business, get into investments, retire or take a vacation. No longer will a lack of money hold you back. However, very few people reach financial independence, because when opportunity knocks, they choose to ignore it. It is much easier to say "NO" than "YES", and this is the question that you must answer. Will YOU ignore this amazing opportunity or will you take advantage of it? If you do nothing, you have indeed missed something and nothing will change. Please re-read this material, this is a special opportunity. If you have any questions, please feel free to write to the sender of this information. You will get a prompt and informative reply. My method is simple. I sell thousands of people a product for $5 that costs me pennies to produce and email. I should also point out that this program is legal and everyone who participates WILL make money. This is not a chain letter or pyramid scam. At times you have probably received chain letters, asking you to send money, on faith, but getting NOTHING in return, NO product what-so-ever! Not only are chain letters illegal, but the risk of someone breaking the chain makes them quite unattractive. You are offering a legitimate product to your people. After they purchase the product from you, they reproduce more and resell them. It's simple free enterprise. As you learned from the enclosed material, the PRODUCT is a series of four 4 FINANCIAL AND BUSINESS REPORTS. The information contained in these REPORTS will not only help you in making your participation in this program more rewarding, but will be useful to you in any other business decisions you make in the years ahead. You are also buying the rights to reprint all of the REPORTS, which will be ordered from you by those to whom you mail this program. The concise one and two page REPORTS you will be buying can easily be reproduced at a local copy center for a cost off about 3 cents a copy. Best wishes with the program and Good Luck! "IT WAS TRULY AMAZING" "Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this program. But conservative as I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was no way that I could not get enough orders to at least get my money back. BOY, was I ever surprised when I found my medium sized post office box crammed with orders! I will make more money this year than any ten years of my life before." Mary Riceland, Lansing, MI TIPS FOR SUCCESS Send for your four 4 REPORTS immediately so you will have them when the orders start coming in. When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the product/service to comply with US Postal and Lottery laws. Title 18 Sections 1302 and 1341 specifically state that: "A PRODUCT OR SERVICE MUST BE EXCHANGED FOR MONEY RECEIVED." WHILE YOU WAIT FOR THE REPORTS TO ARRIVE: 1. Name your new company. You can use your own name if you desire. 2. Get a post office box (preferred). 3. Edit the names and addresses on the program. You must remember, your name and address go next to REPORT #1 and the others all move down one, with the fourth one being bumped OFF the list. 4. Obtain as many email addresses as possible to send until you receive the information on mailing list companies in REPORT #3. 5. Decide on the number of programs you intend to send out. The more you send, and the quicker you send them, the more money you will make. 6. After mailing the programs, get ready to fill the orders. 7. Copy the four 4 REPORTS so you are able to sent them out as soon as you receive an order. IMPORTANT: ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ORDERS YOU RECEIVE! 8. Make certain the letter and reports are neat and legible. YOUR GUARANTEE The check point which GUARANTEES your success is simply this: you must receive 15 to 20 orders for REPORT #1. This is a must!!! If you don't within two weeks, email out more programs until you do. Then a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT #2, if you don't, send out more programs until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, (take a deep breath) you can sit back and relax, because YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE AT LEAST $50,000. Mathematically it is a proven guarantee. Of those who have participated in the program and reached the above GUARANTEES-ALL have reached their $50,000 goal. Also, remember, every time your name is moved down the list you are in front of a different REPORT, so you can keep track of your program by knowing what people are ordering from you. IT'S THAT EASY, REALLY, IT IS!!! REMEMBER: "HE WHO DARES NOTHING, NEED NOT HOPE FOR ANYTHING." "INVEST A LITTLE TIME, ENERGY AND MONEY NOW OR SEARCH FOR IT FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE."

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Re: Florida Drivers Permits and a Hello
by ab411＠detroit.freenet.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Bill Stewart <stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com> writes: >At 08:41 PM 8/29/95 -0400, [ I, Dave Conrad ] wrote: >>One benefit to law enforcement, quite apart from the ability to verify a >>license, would be the accumulation of a database of thumbprints of all >>citizens, or at least all those who drive. > >They can get that by just collecting it when you get the license (which CA >does), without having to cram it onto the back of the license. Obviously, but I think many people would resist it if they collect it just for the sake of collecting it. But if they say they are collecting it to put on the license in order to verify licenses "in the field", then the collection will be a lot more palatable to a lot more people. Have people in CA complained much that they collect it when you get the license? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMEmhsxEcrOJethBVAQHFqQP9HvbaGMe4pQhlH1EsS9MKuC1L2+DlnXLb lhkzJ9OJHRBJ7lN437I2W04ec0YRZXv3vf3Y3CMlYD1w09Ih54ugZYWzQbG7meu/ SHikLH0KVz86RlCUi5qzCrX3Zs+sFXTvkTSJ5t7G7o24/wpxxB2hy+4NBedTPp3o yYWrn+p0sRU= =mzOJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- David R. Conrad, ab411(a)detroit.freenet.org, http://www.grfn.org/~conrad Finger conrad(a)grfn.org for PGP 2.6 public key; it's also on my home page Key fingerprint = 33 12 BC 77 48 81 99 A5 D8 9C 43 16 3C 37 0B 50 Jerry Garcia, August 1, 1942 - August 9, 1995. Requiescat in pace.

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Re: Crypto '95: Robert Morris
by John A. Limpert 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:50 AM 9/3/95 +0200, you wrote: >So Robert Morris worked for NSA. >Does that mean that the infamous 1988 Internet Worm >was part of a NSA-sponsored intelligence-gathering mission? Robert Morris Jr. wrote the worm. His father, Robert Morris Sr. worked for the NSA. -- John A. Limpert johnl(a)Radix.Net

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RE: Katz, Wired, and Clueless Conferences on Cyberspace (fwd)
by Vipul Ved Prakash 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Rishab Aiyer Ghosh wrote: > Tim May wrote: > >It seems that Jon Katz of "HotWired" (TM), or "Wired" (TM), or whatever, is > >mightily impressed that he was invited to meet some bigwigs in Chicago to > >chart the future of cyberspace. > I don't know if Tim actually read all of it, or the second part, > but Katz spent most of the two-part piece explaining why > he _wasn't_ going to attend, and why no other "good guy" > should attend this or similar conferences (quite apart from > the truth about confs usually being just an excuse to schmooze). > The second part also had a full list of invitees, which included > Wired's Kevin Kelly (who Katz complained _is_ going) but, funnily > enough, Esther's _not_ on there. > Rishab > ps. I'm not replying to the list, since I'm not on it. > First Monday - The Peer-Reviewed Journal on the Internet > http://www.firstmonday.dk/ Munksgaard International Publishers, Copenhagen > Intl & Managing Editor - Rishab Aiyer Ghosh (ghosh(a)firstmonday.dk) > Mobile +91 98110 14574; Fax +91 11 2209608; Tel +91 11 2454717 > A4/204 Ekta Apts., 9 Indraprastha Extn, New Delhi 110092 INDIA -- Vipul Ved Prakash | - Electronic Security & Crypto vipul(a)pobox.com | - Web Objects 91 11 2233328 | - PERL Development 198 Madhuban IP Extension | - Linux & Open Systems Delhi, INDIA 110 092 | - Networked Virtual Spaces

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Slightly faster checking for encrypted messages to me
by hfinney＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

One idea we have often discussed is to use a public message pool such as a newsgroup or mailing list reflector as a means of receiving messages anonymously. Each message would be encrypted with my public key (or that of my pseudonym), but with the identifying information stripped. Then I need to scan them all to see which ones are encrypted to me. Those are the ones which decrypt under the public key system to a correctly padded session key. Doing it this way eavesdroppers can't even tell how much mail my nym is receiving. The problem is that doing a PK decrypt is time consuming, and if we had to do it to all the anonymous mail traffic in the world it could become impractical. I had hoped that Shamir's idea which I posted earlier would help with this, but I can't see an application. His idea helps to check for specific signatures, which is a thing anyone can do, but he lets you do it faster. We need a faster way to do a check which only the holder of the secret key can do. I have thought of a small improvement based on Shamir's ideas, though. Use Rabin encryption rather than RSA. In this system the decryption involves taking square roots. This is done by taking the square root of the ciphertext mod p and q (the two secret primes) and using the Chinese Remainder Theorem to get the square root mod n. (This is also done in RSA with eth roots.) If p and q are 3 mod 4, you can get the square root of x mod p as x^((p+1)/4) mod p. This is done for p and q and you then combine them. So the amount of work is pretty much the same as for RSA. However a speedup is possible to do a quicker check for a validly formed encrypted message. The idea is that the encrypted message is of the form M^2 mod n. This means that it is a quadratic residue mod n, and also therefore a q.r. mod p and q. So the speedup is simply to check whether it is a q.r. mod one of the primes and to reject it if not. This takes about half the amount of time to actually try the decryption. All valid messages will pass the test, and half of the invalid messages will be rejected. So this is not very strong, but it is perhaps better than nothing. Maybe Shamir will come up with some idea for this problem. As I wrote before, testing for a q.r. is done by raising to the (p-1)/2 power mod p, and seeing if the answer is 1. I think this can be done in such a way that if it does come out to be 1 we can use our intermediate results to calculate the (p+1)/4 needed for the square root very quickly. Also, BTW Rabin encryption is not specifically patented, only the relatively-untested and almost-expired patent which covers all public key systems (with the failed knapsack algorithm as its specific embodiment) would supposedly prevent its use. However even PKP is apparently becoming more reluctant to throw its weight around on this patent, while they are still quite possessive about RSA. So perhaps a migration to Rabin is in order. Hal

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Re: Crypto '95: Robert Morris
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:50 9/3/95, Name Withheld by Request wrote: >So Robert Morris worked for NSA. >Does that mean that the infamous 1988 Internet Worm >was part of a NSA-sponsored intelligence-gathering mission? The worm was relased by his son. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred.

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3GW standards
by Vipul Ved Prakash 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

*** Battle over third generation wireless standards begins In a scene reminiscent of Beta vs. VHS and Windows vs. Macintosh, a technology battle among giant wireless industry manufacturers began taking shape last week. The story, revealed in a report from WirelessNOW, shows that makers of wireless gear are maneuvering for position to set the standards for the next generation of wireless Internet connectivity, multimedia applications and portable phone services. What is precipitating this onslaught? Nothing less than the control of a mega-billion dollar industry's future direction in what is being called Third Generation Wireless (3GW) systems. (PR Newswire) Story, http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=4524154-d9f -- Vipul Ved Prakash | - Electronic Security & Crypto vipul(a)pobox.com | - Web Objects 91 11 2233328 | - PERL Development 198 Madhuban IP Extension | - Linux & Open Systems Delhi, INDIA 110 092 | - Networked Virtual Spaces

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Re: Florida Drivers Permits and a Hello
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 8:53 9/3/95, David R. Conrad wrote: >Obviously, but I think many people would resist it if they collect it just >for the sake of collecting it. But if they say they are collecting it to >put on the license in order to verify licenses "in the field", then the >collection will be a lot more palatable to a lot more people. > >Have people in CA complained much that they collect it when you get the >license? The masses never complain. Fingerprints on driver licenses, pictures on credit cards, and the soon to be mandatory medical monitoring devices that continually check your bloodstream for toxins are for _your_ protection. People demand more, not less, supervision. The government will gladly oblige. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred.

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State Charges in Weaver Case
by Mike Duvos 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Here's an odd Ruby Ridge development, which just floated across Reuters. Idaho prosecutors have filed two sets of state charges against persons involved in the incident. Kevin Harris was charged with First Degree Murder for "killing Deputy U.S. Marshall William Degan willfully and with malice aforethought." FBI Sniper Lon Horiuchi was charged with involuntary manslaughter in the death of Vicki Weaver. Shouldn't it be First Degree Murder for deliberately killing someones wife with a baby in her arms, and involuntary manslaughter for using possibly excessive force against an armed attacker? Seems a bit backwards to me. I suppose it has something to do with that "only following orders" thing. :) -- Mike Duvos $ PGP 2.6 Public Key available $ enoch(a)zipcon.com $ via Finger $ {Free Cypherpunk Political Prisoner Jim Bell}

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PEE_per
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

9-3-95. NYPaper: "500,000 Clients, No Branches. Phone Banking Is Catching On." Bankers from around the world are making the pilgrimage to Leeds in the north of England for a miracle cure at their stagnant industry's equivalent of a Lourdes. Here is First Direct, a bank with half a million customers and not a single branch. It is the world's leading telephone-only bank; it is the fastest-growing bank in Britain. On the walls are sports stadium scoreboards, constantly flashing the number of customers on hold and how long they have been waiting. While a banker serves a customer, his computer screen is displaying all sorts of personal information about her. "No Adverse Risk" flashes at the top, indicating that the bank would be glad to loan her money. Also displayed is the fact that she is a 30-year-old single renter with a job as a project manager, along with a list of all the bank's prior contacts with her. PEE_per

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