December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Imminent death of Corporations Predicted
by sdw＠lig.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

... > L. McCarthy writes > > True, but it happened to Wozniak & Jobs. John Sculley came from Pepsi. > > Of course, you may wish to argue against Apple being considered successful > > under Sculley ;) Details have finally started to fade, but Atari was done in partially by being purchased and a manager from Pepsi, I think. Tramiel was too late. Also via poor contracts with Amiga's design company I would expect. sdw -- Stephen D. Williams Local Internet Gateway Co.; SDW Systems 510 503-9227APager LIG dev./sales Internet: sdw(a)lig.net In Bay Area Aug94-Feb95!!! OO R&D Source Dist. By Horse: 2464 Rosina Dr., Miamisburg, OH 45342-6430 Internet Consulting ICBM: 39 38 34N 84 17 12W home, 37 58 41N 122 01 48W work Newbie Notice: I speak for LIGCo., CCI, myself, and no one else, regardless of where it is convenient to post from or thru.

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Re: Cash
by nobody＠nately.UCSD.EDU 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Fri, 18 Nov 94 11:25:55 PST Dana Albrecht writes: >In article oh9(a)crl2.crl.com, eric(a)crl.com (Eric Fredricksen) writes: >> Anarch (anarch(a)cse.ucsc.edu) wrote: >> : They're in tens, too (don't know about ones and fives). I've never been >> : able to remove one completely, but I've exposed the ends. Do you know >> : how many there are in each bill, and where? I know in tens there's at >> : least one, about a fifth of the way in from the left side (looking at >> : the front). >> >> They're easy to remove. Just rip the bill diagonally from the edge to >> the strip on either side of it, and pull the little triangle you just >> made. The strip comes with it. Show it to your friends. >> > >Assuming this is true, it would seem that even good, old fashioned, >paper currency doesn't provide the level of anonymity that one >would think. Scary... > >Dana W. Albrecht >dwa(a)mirage.svl.trw.com The plastic strips are not in fives or ones, but are in tens and higher. All the strip says is USA and give the dollar amount in metallic ink. Fri, 18 Nov 1994 11:55:46 -0700, Jamie Lawrence writes: >Also, realize that some places to look for that strip and if you >pull it it might not be accepted (most places that check only look >at $50s and $100s, though). > >-j What would be interesting to note is whether it is *illegal* to remove the strips. I don't think that banks, et al. would seriously refuse to accept this money as a deposit (or for change, etc.) simply because at the moment there is too much pre-1991 money floating about, and it would be cumbersome to check each and every piece of currency. Then again, I've often tried to get pre-1991 money simply because I do not wish to deal in post-1991 dollars with strips (humor me) and have been told by tellers that they have no pre-1991 money. _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ All men recognize the right of revolution; that is, the right to refuse allegiance to, and to resist the government, when its tyranny or its inefficiency are great and unendurable. From Thoreau's "Civil Disobedience"

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mail-to-usenet
by an234＠vox.xs4all.nl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Fri, 18 Nov 1994, Anonymous wrote: > Can someone please list the mail-to-news gateways that are available, > and any discrepancies aboyr message acceptance based on SUBJECT: line. > >Thanks, > >- spooge Many remailers offer a mail-to-usenet feature. From Raph Levien's most recent list of reliable remailers: [....] > You can also get this list by fingering > remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu. >$remailer{"vox"} = "<remail(a)vox.xs4all.nl> cpunk pgp. post"; >$remailer{"avox"} = "<anon(a)vox.hacktic.nl> cpunk pgp post"; [...] >$remailer{"penet"} = "<anon(a)anon.penet.fi> penet post"; [...] >$remailer{"usura"} = "<usura(a)xs4all.nl> cpunk pgp. hash latent cut post"; >$remailer{"desert"} = "<remail(a)desert.xs4all.nl> cpunk pgp. post"; >$remailer{"underdog"} = "<lmccarth(a)ducie.cs.umass.edu> cpunk pgp hash > latent cut post"; [...] >$remailer{"xs4all"} = "<remailer(a)xs4all.nl> cpunk pgp hash latent cut > post ek"; >$remailer{"flame"} = "<tomaz(a)flame.sinet.org> cpunk pgp hash latent cut > post ek"; [....] > Options and features [...] > post > Post to Usenet using Post-To: or Anon-Post-To: header. [....] In addition, here are the names and syntax requirements of the mail-to-usenet gateways that I know of. Most of these I got by fingering remailer-list(a)chaos.bsu.edu a few months ago. I make no claims that this list is either current or complete. Additions and corrections are welcome. group.name(a)demon.co.uk group.name(a)news.demon.co.uk group.name(a)bull.com group.name(a)cass.ma02.bull.com group.name(a)undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca group.name(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu group.name(a)comlab.ox.ac.uk group.name(a)nic.funet.fi group.name(a)cs.dal.ca group.name(a)ug.cs.dal.ca group.name(a)paris.ics.uci.edu (removes headers) group.name.usenet(a)decwrl.dec.com (preserves all headers) group.name(a)cs.texas.edu group.name(a)myriad.pc.cc.cmu.edu Note: mail-to-usenet gateways do not anonymize messages before posting. If you want to post anonymously use a remailer to send mail to the gateway. As far as your "message acceptance based on SUBJECT: line," I have never heard of any restrictions. Trying to be helpful, N. Cognito -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBLs01AqL3ipYu3mvVAQFG4QP/aGoTU6T1BYR+oN9xNQTqwMDrMn8HPcjb BL+hoe7RSf2mOQP2Ulzl/oHycshuSRkhdkquHscWXBuHEuSo4DAvQwXxncC9eGOr OCoBEyE9C3kWFSsMz0kUsiIrLU3nTQiriv+FlLeyzZMEEP0xBKoEyq5y+kC49av+ mxol9O4427Y= =p9ST -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Cash
by wcs＠anchor.ho.att.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Assuming this is true, it would seem that even good, old fashioned, > paper currency doesn't provide the level of anonymity that one > would think. Scary... Hasn't really provided it for quite a while, as long as there's an infrastructure to track serial numbers (you've presumably noticed that each bill a unique serial number, except for counterfeits and maybe printing glitches.) It's quite possible to record the serial numbers of bills before distributing them in applications such as ransom payments or drug-buying stings, and wouldn't be too hard, with current scanning technology, to track them at banks, tax offices, etc. (Of course, neither AT&T GIS (aka NCR) nor Diebold currently makes ATMs with serial-number scanners in them, but it wouldn't be hard to require banks to scan the bills before filling the cash machines.) During one of the "Government's going to replace our Real American Greenbacks with Pink(o) Money" scares before the plastic-strip money arrived, USA Today had an article in their money section showing dollar bills with bar-codes instead of the Arabic-numeral serial number. Bill

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Re: Online Fraud Case Settled
by wcs＠anchor.ho.att.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

According to a story on the radio, the "Online Fraud" that Chase Consulting is accused of advertising ($99 credit repair) was really a kit for obtaining a new identity. Certainly wouldn't want to have folks selling *those*...... (Though I'd certainly object if somebody charged me money for telling me that a way around my credit problems was to change my name, unless that's the kind of thing I really *wanted* to do.)

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Re: S-HTTP
by wcs＠anchor.ho.att.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jon Cooper, talking about S-HTTP, writes: > I don't much see the point in encrypting _EVERYTHING_, and if you're > only talking about encrypting a credit card number or an occasional > paid-for document, it shouldn't be much of a burden at all with a good > implementation. There are a number of times when you might want to do this, such as delivering an information product as well as paying for it (e.g. a new software release, shipped encrypted to avoid eavesdroppers pirating it for free), or information you want conveniently accessible on the web but only to approved people (e.g. your political campaign's strategy material or your corporate information made available to your sales group who are often out at customer sites instead of behind your firewall), or your corporate complaints web-form (enter your problem in the box below; please type legibly), or of course your politically-incorrect- substance ordering system, which should provide anonymity as well as payment and ordering, (which may be beyond the complexity of S-HTTP.) Bill

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Re: anon ftp/mail
by wcs＠anchor.ho.att.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jon writes: > > Find someone who can give you a temp account that you can download > > from... ...something that will be erased. The only other way would be to > > hack out a copy of ftp to send false information > > Spoofing your DNS info, while certainly possible [ and this is > assuming lame admins, no identd, no tcpwrapper, etc. ] is probably not > the easiest way to go about it. I have to believe that none of the > common ftpd's are brain-dead enough to trust nameservers extensively. Some of them do, some of them don't, at least for anon-ftp. I have accounts behind two different kinds of firewalls - the accounts behind router-based firewalls have difficulty with the FTP servers that authenticate using RFC931 or DNS, since the firewall blocks them, while the accounts behind the AT&T Firewall (ref. Cheswick and Bellovin) need to use proxy ftp clients, but don't have trouble accessing the servers, which think (incorrectly) that the requests are coming from the outside part of the firewall. Bill

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Re: I Like ASCII, not MIME and Other Fancy Crap
by jamiel＠sybase.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:49 PM 11/18/94, Timothy C. May wrote: >Personally, I like simple ASCII. No fancy fonts, no embedded graphics, >no Quicktime movies I have to watch, etc. But Tim, don't you believe in the march of progress? ;) (I agree. I retrieved some of those docs this issue arose over. I got a MIME doc, the header of which told me to fetch a translator, and when translated I text plain text. I know that simple ASCII will be overtaken by fancier tech, but why the hell encode plain text in a non-human readable format?) -j

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Dummy foreign corporations and lawsuit proofing.
by Critias_the_conspirator＠informix.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I, and no doubt many other cypherpunks resident in the USA, have received a lot of junk mail from Costa Rica, offering dummy Costa Rican corporations. The theory is you set up a mail drop in Costa Rica, then you gradually move all your assets to be owned by this mail drop, so that your house, your car etc, all belong to this mail drop. The junk mail claims that this makes you immune to sue happy lawyers -- that this makes you lawsuit proof. I believe this claim. Unfortunately I have also received other junk mail offering competing services, which claims that Costa Rican dummy corporations have the same effect on revenuers as catnip does on cats, and blood in the water does on sharks. This claim also sounds highly plausible to me. Doubtless the services offered by the Costa Ricans would work so long as you never generated documents going to the revenuers that showed the Costa Rican address. This might be a wee bit tricky, as the revenuers get a report whenever any financial asset is sold within America. And remember, if you do set up a dummy foreign corporation, (preferably one that looks more plausible than those offered by the Costa Ricans), if you set it up in consultation with an American advisor, that advisor's next report will probably be to the revenuers. -- Critias_the_conspirator

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Another pseudonym.
by Critias_the_conspirator＠informix.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Critias_the_conspirator is of course another new pseudonym. Critias was a disciple of Socrates. Critias overthrew democracy in Athens and proceeded to demonstrate that even when democracy was thoroughly decadent, brutal, and tyrannical, it was still possible to create an even worse form of government. >From time to time this Critias will comment on financial privacy. -- Critias_the_conspirator

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