December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Kudos
by usura＠xs4all.nl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Thanks and congratulations to Todd for a job well done with the CP signing service and Raph for his excellent work with premail. An appreciative lurker/learner - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBLuA9wioZzwIn1bdtAQFXnwGAitqcooxfEeABifXLhmxmRAQKlM90Gm6K Y2vmZi3kjSYWpDMYQNkID+HXYTeps30Q =oN3X -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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ecash trial issues explained
by Marcel van der Peijl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

(This message is not an official DigiCash message but represents my personal opinions) Here are some answers to issues recently discussed on the cypherpunks list. I do not read this list as that takes too much time, I only read what people that do read forward from the list to me. Stefan Brands is not excluded in any way from the trial. His request was never received at DigiCash. Several others in the CWI crypto group (all that applied) did receive their accounts. There is no 'political boycot'. The ecash software allows for multiple payment protocols to co-exist. Besides the currently implemented protocol and the Stefan Brands system there are more possible systems. We are not fixed in any way to the current protocol. Besides the patent issues, it is not clear which protocol is better. Last time I checked (a week ago, I am currently on the road) there well over 500 or 600 active ecash accounts. But there are another 1000 accounts waiting, and new requests coming in between 10 and 100 per day. As the mail that was sent out explains, the trial is rolled out in phases. The result is that the software is more 'robust' before large quantities of users run into the same problem, in the sense that it works on any OS in any configuration with any network hookup, no matter how 'bad'. (We are not in the business of being a 'network helpdesk'.) Potential ecash vendors have had priorities in being assigned ecash accounts. But they are also 'harrassed' for actually doing what they promise to do. Because we can not support a 24 hour staff and we want to keep response time low, people in time zones close to ours (GMT+1) have been issued accounts first. At the moment we are confident we can scale up the trial. I promise you it will not be several more months before everyone can join the trial. People that run into ecash problems are almost always helped or replied to the same day, and often within the hour. However, some people send their problems to the wrong address, such as the generic ecash info address or the feedback address, which may result in not getting an answer for several days. If mails go to ecash-bugs(a)digicash.com, the developers involved immediately see the mail and help out, provided they are technical mails and have sufficient information to actually be able to give help. As you can imagine, problems described as 'it does not work for me' without any extra information take a few mails back and forth, and tedious searching in log files, before the actual problem is clear. You can understand the anonimity of the system does not make that easier. People that compare FV or other systems and ecash are really comparing apples and pears. From a business view they may look the same, but how they operate is totally different. Ecash is the only system that allows for full anonimity on the buyers side using public key technology. We strongly believe it should not be possible for anyone to see all individual transactions a person makes. The business model used is also different. We do not charge users or shops a fee to use the ecash system, and provide the ecash software (both client and shop) for free, and give support for free. Unfortunately this does mean we are not getting large sums of money to spend on slick marketing schemes. Just a final remark before totally boring you to death: Some of the people that post unfriendly messages on mailing lists, like Stefan Brands, do so before actually mailing to us. Please give us a fair chance! Marcel van der Peijl Ecash technical project leader DigiCash bv http://www.digicash.com/

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Info about Linux
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Responding to msg by crawford(a)scruznet.com (Michael D. Crawford) on Sat, 3 Dec 1:4 AM Thanks for this Linux info. FWIW, PC Mag's John Dvorak plugs Linux and Yggdrasil in the December 20 issue. He says, "there's no excuse not to have Linux as a primary or alternative operating system ... highly recommended, bargain of the year." - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBLuCI6SoZzwIn1bdtAQGzsAF/bDaj0dXzETyOkhL+qN+EfJYumWR6Oocj m4drVaoXQBnuEmQMM4UfOwcTt6tqsr/a =saEy -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: How do *I* use PGP?
by snyderra＠dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 5:30 PM 12/1/94, TheElusiveMatthew wrote: >It has been my belief that there isn't an effective way for me to use PGP, >but with all the hubbub, I thought it might be worthwhile to verify this. > >My internet access is through a personal account provided by my employer. >It is on a machine used exclusively by employees of the University of >Illinois (no student accounts). What kind of machine is it? How do you read mail? A PC mail reader? >My primary access to this account is through my IBM xt (dos 3.3) at work. >This machine is occasionally used by others and is outside of my control. >I also use many of the public access Win/Mac machines on campus. >I have no pc of my very own. The XT might be difficult because of memory issues, but there are versions of PGP for UNIX, Mac, and PC, sp..... Bob -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQCVAwUBLuCM/OS0CjsjWS0VAQGUCAQAngYMNWJsk0ZpZfKS54JBcyND9HswtoIt 2U9a9pzDkSFxUyUYNvBRPzvaabjRtG6wBhaS/t7in7rxFCQ9TEPYha4pu6SXRXM6 XclYnCw/9zHJRCtRHMHAT0ijYvQvqPirDcQS7TzhRUfEbXAI1A6VN2X3OVGIyU14 pwZb72SgNh4= =j2U3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Bob Snyder N2KGO MIME, PGP, RIPEM mail accepted snyderra(a)post.drexel.edu PGP & RIPEM keys on key servers When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl.

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Re: Cypherpunks@hks.net service
by pfarrell＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> It will sign any message sent to cypherpunks(a)hks.net with its >> (currently 384 bit) key and forward the signed message to >> cypherpunks(a)toad.com. > > No offense, but what's the point? What's next, automated key-signing The point is that if Eric insists on arbitrary rules that threaten the list, some bright c'punk will "write code" to circumvent the assinine rule. Use technology to solve problems... But that is why a number of folks have posted that the rule is at best ill conceived. Eric simply hasn't listented. Thus the recent mini-flame war that again lowers the signal to noise ratio on the list. He wants the world to use encryption. So do I. But the tools are not there for even the net-heads on this list. There is nothing close to tools suitable for Joe Sixpack. Changing the rules on c'punks won't change that. Pat Pat Farrell Grad Student pfarrell(a)cs.gmu.edu Department of Computer Science George Mason University, Fairfax, VA Public key availble via finger #include <standard.disclaimer> - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBLuCljioZzwIn1bdtAQEjewF+N4i7B7kdkeGyi+ggI4PjQAbQ6Uyl+45i mqbyWWGDptWY/nsZOmLmBnX8T64U1JuH =e2n2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: First Virtual?
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Responding to msg by eric(a)remailer.net (Eric Hughes) on Sat, 3 Dec 9:56 AM Not a big deal, but for Unix-fans who deign toy-PCs, PC Mag of December 20 has two brief pieces on First Virtual, indicating that its mass-market greenbucks are abuying hard pitch Xmas-adcopy. One dim-spots other "digital buck" services SpyGlass and Open Market, cash-poor things. See pp. 32 and 61. [First time use of the sig below, be gentle, still learning how to get PGP-signed message in this mailer.] - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAy6rxQQAAAEEANW657bMcILCSaEYHV46DQWojtHDv6UQ2qGz+6wG5g5Q7KMz QkQjM+fYNScW4fDUYH02wLG5x/E5hYwSaYal0k0b6G9m921QKqhVYj2+QzfiMqce N45t4GjSNBdwmNywZEyz5RKXbAWm78DmAt9Ro3M8AGvG1XrsU4Sb9hQ07hCVAAUR tB1Kb2huIFlvdW5nIDxqeWFAcGlwZWxpbmUuY29tPg== =F0Xj - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- - ------------------- - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBLuCvBioZzwIn1bdtAQGKqgGAnUpbIyAQ4aE1d0iHHZQLpj8yn2jRHruS oK8hqFI8AI07p0pMGl7kcgm1OefM/zOy =aTQt -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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my key
by desert!desert!kafka＠consolat.xs4all.nl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Info about Linux
by lmccarth＠ducie.cs.umass.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Michael D. Crawford writes: > You can get Linux books and CDROM's from the Computer Literacy bookstore on > North First Street in San Jose, and Powell's technical books in Portland > Oregon. Powell's does mail order, and has a Web page which allows you to > search their inventory for books. They've got lots of crypto books too, > 2600 Magazine and lots of engineering books. I think the URL is > http:technical.powells.portland.or.us. Computer Literacy also claims to ship worldwide, and offers an Internet address (unverified): info(a)clbooks.com - - -L. McCarthy, merely a satisfied patron of Computer Literacy Bookshops Inc. - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.1 iQCVAwUBLuC2Ymf7YYibNzjpAQHImAQAtjVRIC/P7DbvHc7+Umi/b4dxtpkw64M+ eCBy62nmOhQuKv7H6DXHCi00+648qui2pCV1f9WN8om1Iv9pf7cCjg5QHdNLd5U/ obJrWmrB/XcJq+LzJoqlBQLkw5pxt1mGEBeoeG+bHZAXpeW7AvbH9LRek2k3lagF l544vUc+QPI= =XKzG - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBLuC3jSoZzwIn1bdtAQEwegF9FDvDahwOWnh0pMJxK1OimynvSHsGWOp8 Bm23ZGqRyvGkPDVR/BscmfQM55G1RmaJ =UYao -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: DETWEILER IS SPOOFING US!!!
by lmccarth＠ducie.cs.umass.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Alan Bostick writes: > Thank you, Mr. Anonymous, your comedy has relieved a great deal of the > tension, at least here. If it weren't for LD's successful attacks on the remailer bramble, I might be able to derive some amusement from this. As it is, this stuff just makes my blood boil. If some government agency isn't sponsoring his antics, it certainly should be. I used to be surprisingly willing to keep an open mind and take LD's claims seriously; more than most non-paranoiacs, I think. He had a fair shot to gain my support. Instead, he's made yet another life-long enemy. I hope I'm making myself perfectly clear, LD. I don't despise you because Tim said so, or Eric said so, or because of your criticism of the list. I despise you as a direct result of your own deliberate actions. You've brought this upon yourself. Feel free to slither away now. - - -L. McCarthy - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.1 iQCVAwUBLuC6dWf7YYibNzjpAQGWLwP/XAE5ZHwOByUrIqA2PbwbW9ZkMMdUMo3i eIIkJQnxOmDP3cp1Pr5eaMywyNACxCfBVs1jU5KXEp1XEcQmTD1ib6vXS28zAzlr SQhh2up2k4pNWr0uK/X6IHD3vVnUlbRkjk+fSE18/BhYRNaS7cELnMbFDQXsdtz/ KpAgGl4SM08= =R/UR - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBLuC72CoZzwIn1bdtAQH9fAF/deI6ep4aqGK+yraM2fF9qR5+kJ3yMpWu ALPJ/rTioGjezsYx6/y1cotR1gf4SV6B =Pdlu -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Kudos
by usura＠vox.xs4all.nl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- : -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- : : Thanks and congratulations to Todd for a job well done with the : CP signing service and Raph for his excellent work with premail. : : An appreciative lurker/learner : : : - --- : [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature : means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the : signature and forwarded.] : : -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- : Version: 2.6.2 : Comment: Gratis auto-signing service : : iQBFAwUBLuA9wioZzwIn1bdtAQFXnwGAitqcooxfEeABifXLhmxmRAQKlM90Gm6K : Y2vmZi3kjSYWpDMYQNkID+HXYTeps30Q : =oN3X : -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- I did not write the above message; it was probably send using my remailer wich is installed at usura(a)xs4all.nl. Todd, could you let the software use the from line and not the sender/originator line, or whatever caused this error? From: usura(a)xs1.xs4all.nl Message-ID: <199412030943.EAA04190(a)bb.hks.net> Thanks, -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2. iQCVAgUBLuC64lnfdBSNVpE9AQGKVwQAlvNVdoFFYD3MLvyqOLQrTkd3hJBXqskf fVlX4ng9fJN5vL9B8BpaKQlg0z7uy9kywTkAmXMS/7cOe/IuVBsvmRt2hP1TVCwW i3LSSqZyg9arRFRpw2Yx77/RwWGQPyYRt7uD75YdBfrc152u7PKVIHouXNBTA2Uj YhayLgJ0pWE= =soLT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Exit! Stage Left. Alex de Joode <usura(a)xs4all.nl>

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