December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

RE: It's MEME time!!!
by merriman＠metronet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------------Original Message--------------- I thought I'd jump onto the meme-creation bandwagon before it gets too full.. Cryptography - it's not just for governments anymore! --- Clipper and the Wiretap Bill: salvos in the War On Privacy! --- The price of security is continuous surveillance. --- Denning's Dilemma: Privacy or Oppression. There's no middle ground. --- Surrender Dorothy! ----------End of Original Message---------- How 'bout: Dorothy Denning: Clipper [clip her] TLA's are AFU Dammit, it's *my* net, too! Dave Merriman - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Finger merriman(a)metronet.com for PGP/RIPEM public keys and fingerprints. Unencrypted Email may be ignored without notice to sender. PGP preferred. Remember: It is not enough to _obey_ Big Brother; you must also learn to *love* Big Brother.

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Media Bias
by j.hastings6＠genie.geis.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

James A. Donald (jamesd(a)netcom.com) writes: >I note that Chomsky fans, like Chomksy himself, have no >shame in lying bare faced in public. I have seen Chomsky speak at F.A.I.R. (Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting - a New Left anti-media-bias watchdog inspired by the right-wing Accuracy In Media group), and have heard him on KPFK. I saw the movie about him and have read some of his writing, including articles in Anarchy magazine. The movie, as I remember it from a year or two ago, claims that the East Timor people suffered the same magnitude of oppression at the hands of the U.S.-supported Indonesians, as did the Cambodians under the Khmer (were they Soviet or Chinese puppets? Or independent?). In a dramatic scene in the Chomsky film, the press reports about the Cambodian killing fields, convenient for the U.S. anti-Communist fascist imperialist running-dog empire, *ahem*, rolled across the floor of a warehouse, with lights flicking on as the spool of printouts passed under them, covering a great length of the floor. The reports of East Timor atrocities were relatively non-existent. How do you explain that, Man?! Fight the Power! Right Awn! I don't say that Chomsky isn't biased himself, or that Timor equals Cambodia, I'm just telling you what I remember. >Your claim, and Chomsky's claim, is a flagrant lie >... the Ambassador and the editors of the New York times ... >could not have clocked up as many as Amin did in real life, >let alone in Amin's "wildest fantasies". I wonder where the other guy came up with Chomsky's Uganda comparison. >Nothing the New York times said or did remotely compares with Chomsky's >enthusiastic support of Pol Pot's genocide in Cambodia. >Chomsky compared Pol Pot's genocide to the denazification by the French >Resistance after world war II. When I saw him live and on stage, Chomsky said he thought the genocide stories about Cambodia were as bogus as the other 99% lies told by the lapdog "adversarial" press (like Yellow Rain "chemical warfare" actually caused by bee droppings). Or the Gulf of Tonkin incident. Or Terrorists, Pedophiles, Money-Launderers, and Dope Dealers that will surely get us all if Digital Telephony and Clipper aren't adopted. Can we really blame him for doubting the unreliable media? He stopped defending Khmer Rouge (sp?) when he became convinced that the killing fields were real. In other words, he would never support genocide. That's the Party Line anyway, comrade. >But Chomsky defines peoples free choice to say one thing rather >than another thing, to listen to one source rather than another >source, to be "extreme coercion and control". What is the source of this accusation? Chomsky is an extreme free-speech anarchist, from what I've read about and by him. He even defended the right of Holocaust-revisionist Robert Faurisson to speak about his historical beliefs against the French state's claim that it has the right to determine what is "historical fact." Chomsky himself does not deny the Holocaust. >...when Chomsky argues that speech is coercion, and choice is submission, >I know that he and his pals in the government are planning to enhance our >civil liberties by protecting us from that speech, and to enhance our >lives by rescuing us from that submission. Fine. Death to P.C. government-imposed "sensitivity." But, what does Chomsky have to do with this? According to the S.F. Weekly in 1989, Noam Chomsky was once described in a college newspaper as both "a Nazi sympathiser" and "a Soviet apologist." That's a neat trick, maybe possible during the Hitler-Stalin pact. However, the Soviets wouldn't let him enter the worker's paradise because he called it "The Dungeon State" in one of his many books. And his support for free speech, even for those with controversial non-P.C. positions, makes his Nazi qualifications, and your "speech is coercion" accusation, suspect. Looks like an un-F.A.I.R. smear job to me. Kent - j.hastings6(a)genie.geis.com Ham packet AX.25: WA6ZFY @ WB6YMH.#SOCA.CA.USA.NA (or "NoAm")

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Re: Cyphernomicon FAQ -- Review in "Wired"
by rishab＠dxm.ernet.in 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

tcmay(a)netcom.com (Timothy C. May): > 1. Rishab Aiyer Ghosh tells me he has committed to write a review of the > Cyphernomicon FAQ for "Wired," for either December or January publication. > I had nothing to do with this, and it surprised me when he contacted me to > notify me. (I reminded him of the "pre-release" status, the It surprised _me_ that you put this on the list - magazines usually don't care to announce their future stories so much in advance, but this is a little review and cypherpunks are noted for their discretion ;-) so I guess it's ok. As far as the "usefulness" of info on "advanced stuff", and the "questions it will generate" - awareness is all about arousing curiousity. It will be a Good Thing if people who keep reading about the nuclear terrorists and pedophiles can come and see for themselves what _really_ goes on on the list. Of course the membership may soar for a while before declining again, but _some_ new useful people are bound to join. > 3. Hal Abelson, Professor of Computer Science at MIT, has asked me if he > could convert the FAQ into a Web document for his class on "ETHICS AND LAW If he does a good job, then it would be nice. A web is really the best way to browse through so much inter-related info. > 4. Yes, I still have concerns about multiple, out-dated copies floating > around. I worry about people going to great lengths to "Webify" the version Come on. Responsible sysadmins regularly mirror updates - from the thousands of PGP sites to the dozens who download 6 mb of movie databases each week. Every one does not get in sync as soon as the new release is out, but these things usually don't take more than a week. > 5. Rishab is especially anxious to get CompuServe, AOL, etc., versions > available, or referenced in his review in "Wired." Thus, if any of you want Scott Loftesness (76703.407(a)compuserve.com) the primary SysOp of CompuServe's Telecom and Internet Forums says he'll have the Cyphernomicon in both forums: TELECOM FORUM (GO TELECOM) LIBRARY: NETWORK SECURITY (LIB 6) FILENAME: CYPFAQ.ZIP INTERNET FORUM (GO INETFORUM) LIBRARY: RESOURCES-TECHNICAL (LIB 15) FILENAME: CYPFAQ.ZIP Worst comes to worst, WIRED can put it up in their forums at AOL etc. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rishab Aiyer Ghosh "Clean the air! clean the sky! wash the wind! rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in take stone from stone and wash them..." Voice/Fax/Data +91 11 6853410 Voicemail +91 11 3760335 H 34C Saket, New Delhi 110017, INDIA

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kerberosV telnet
by Jef Poskanzer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anyone have any fun diffs for kerberized telnet/telnetd that I could play with? An IDEA encryption module? A Diffie-Hellman module? Standards not necessary, we're just experimenting here. --- Jef

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IBM-Led Consortium. Any thoughts?
by nobody＠cass156.ucsd.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This just in. I haven't seen it posted so I thought I would. ===========================begin forwarded message========================= IBM-Led Consortium Signs Federal Contract to Develop NII Protocol Sept. 16 CONTRACTS/VENTURES HPCwire ============================================================================= A news release from IBM Corporation -- Somers, N.Y. -- A consortium of organizations led by IBM has been awarded a contract by the U.S. government to develop open industry software protocols that will integrate computing environments across the U.S. manufacturing base. The protocols, based on object-oriented technology using Distributed System Object Model (DSOM) and System Object Model (SOM), will make it easy for organizations of any size to share the same information so they can work more cooperatively and efficiently on projects together. The Cooperative Agreement that was just signed with the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) calls for the development of National Industrial Information Infrastructure Protocols (NIIIP) as part of the Technology Reinvestment Project (TRP). NIIIP will allow disparate systems of different manufacturers to be linked and exchange information real-time so companies can work as a single, integrated "virtual enterprise" to address a business opportunity. Much of the NIIIP work will be consolidating and "harmonizing" the many sets of existing protocols, and then doing pilot projects and demonstration work to prove the efficacy of the recommended approach. The NIIIP protocols are viewed by the DoD's Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA) as one of the fundamental building blocks of the National Information Infrastructure (NII). Since all U.S. manufacturing companies will be able to use the NIIIP protocols, the government expects that American industry's competitiveness will increase with their use. The TRP is designed to link the best of America's defense and commercial industries. TRP projects are intended to create "dual use" technologies that have both military and commercial applications. They help defense firms make the transition to commercial markets, prepare defense engineers and workers for the manufacturing industries of the future, and help prepare commercial firms to provide defense products in case of national emergencies. The $60 million project is made up of federal matching funds and existing and incremental development costs, as well as in-kind funds from the consortium members. The consortium members will invest more than half of the total project costs. In addition to IBM, the other members of the consortium are: STEP Tools, Inc.; Enterprise Integration Technologies; UES, Inc.; the University of Florida; Texas Instruments Incorporated; Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Digital Equipment Corporation; Lockheed Aeronautical Systems Company; MESC Electronic Systems, Inc.; International TechneGroup Incorporated; Taligent; CAD Framework Initiative, Inc.; General Dynamics, Electric Boat Division and the National Institute of Standards and Technology. The NIIIP proposal was sponsored by the IBM Manufacturing Industry and also includes participation by the IBM Microelectronics Division, Software Solutions Division, and the Networking Software Division. Their products include a broad array of software, hardware, and integration services to provide concurrent engineering and computer-integrated manufacturing (CIM) that help manufacturers reduce time to market, improve product quality and lower unit costs, while meeting environmental and other international standards. As overall Program Manager, IBM will manage the system design, development, and integration, as well as the establishment of commercial channels for delivery of the project's resultant software products, planned for completion in 1998. IBM also will be responsible for skills transfer through its CIM in Higher Education Alliance, a nationwide IBM-sponsored organization consisting of 97 U.S. colleges, universities and technical institutions. Selection of the IBM-led consortium's proposal from among the 2,850 proposals submitted is a significant endorsement of IBM's leadership in the field of information technology with proven experience in creating open software products, providing technical software support, and managing a broad array of distribution channels. The DoD announced earlier this year that it had selected this consortium to develop NIIIP under the TRP, but it held off formally approving the deal until the Cooperative Agreement was reached. ***************************************************************************** H P C w i r e S P O N S O R S Product specifications and company information in this section are available to both subscribers and non-subscribers. *900) Ampex 915) Genias Software 916) MasPar Computer 912) Avalon Computer *930) HNSX Supercomputers 905) Maximum Strategy 921) Cray Research Inc. 902) IBM Corp. 906) nCUBE 907) Digital Equipment 904) Intel SSD *932) Portland Group 909) Fujitsu America 928) Kendall Square Res 935) Silicon Graphics *Updated information within last 30 days ***************************************************************************** Copyright 1994 HPCwire. To receive the weekly HPCwire at no charge, send e-mail without text to "trial(a)hpcwire.ans.net". =========================end forwarded message=============================== Any thoughts? (In a vain attempt to attract people from RE: HIT MEN) _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ Disobedience is the true _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ foundation of liberty. _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ The obedient must be slaves. _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ "Civil Disobedience" _/ (Thoreau)

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Crypto irrelevant to hit men
by rishab＠dxm.ernet.in 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Crypto and anon escrow are largely irrelevant to the world market in assasinations, nuclear terrorism or whatever. To put my response to the whole 'HIT MEN' thread very concisely: 1. 'crypto anarchy' does make it easier for people to _hire_ murderers. It does NOT make it any easier to _commit_ murders. 2. it may be difficult for an escrow agency to have good reputations among murderers as well as doctors. I agree with Sandy that people don't bother only about reputations for specific activities, but consider organizations as a whole. However, reputations as I defined them in my "Social punishment" posts are clearly valid within possibly independent social units. You may have a good reputation with murderers but not with Aunt Maud. 3. Sandy says (2) leads to agencies with limited clientele, therefore higher rates, therefore more fraud. Narcotic drug trafficking is a $500 BILLION annual industry (HDR 1994). Part of the high cost is the 'illegal' and possibly 'immoral' status of the trade. This does not necessarily mean an unsustainable market - indeed it's one of the world's fastest growing businesses. Nor do the high premia result in unsustainable levels of fraud. I wouldn't put my money in a bank run by the Cali cartel, no matter how unlikely they are to ever fail. But enough people in the drug business trust them. Enough people trust the shady runner in the New York alley. 4. A agency only need to have a good reputation with its _clients._ It doesn't matter that others hold the agency in poor regard. Conversely, the agency _needs_ a good reputation with its clients, it doesn't matter that others hold it in _high_ regard. To conclude, I don't believe that crypto anarchy will significantly change the _amount_ of murders and such crimes. Or even the ability of the law enforcement to solve them (even without crypto, hardly any murders are solved by tapping phones). Crypto anarchy will only make it possible to be involved in such activity from anywhere in the world, just as cyberspace will enable lots of others to interact more conveniently. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rishab Aiyer Ghosh "Clean the air! clean the sky! wash the wind! rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in take stone from stone and wash them..." Voice/Fax/Data +91 11 6853410 Voicemail +91 11 3760335 H 34C Saket, New Delhi 110017, INDIA

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RE: IBM-Led Consortium. Any thoughts?
by jgrubs＠voxbox.norden1.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- merriman(a)metronet.com writes: > I wonder how much good it would do to email some folks on the list with a > list of concerns about the project? Let's try it and see. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.1 iQCVAwUBLoMKfTDUWq8RWEeNAQHaoQQAx8X+7iW2sUrYl0cBmd/QZ6xMT1h2+CUl xBjLFVViSAc/kh/P041ijw1lraqH80ehl1KmUT4IjSRe/b+bRAAkP00u6k2Ohcw0 Notfu6Avcrmmh2ofXsbU2Y1CuIkmZgNVvOCmo2SjVMz+X4TEvN3SQN1PY2aLYF2n nugOBDWrt2o= =8RrV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- jgrubs(a)voxbox.norden1.com Jim Grubs, W8GRT VoxBox Enterprises 6817 Maplewood Ave., Sylvania, OH 43560-1956 Telephone (Voice): 419-882-2697

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Re: IBM-Led Consortium. Any thoughts?
by Lile Elam 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Have you been NIIIP'ed today? :)

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Re: National Research Council
by Anonymous User 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mr. Karn said: /From: Phil Karn <karn(a)qualcomm.com> /To: SAMUEL.KAPLIN(a)warehouse.mn.org />Is it me or are there a disproportionate amount of legal/government/military/ />types on this list? Keeping this in mind, do you really think any of our />comments will go anywhere but in the old circular file? /My thoughts exactly. The committee's classification/clearance policy /was undoubtedly intended to skew its membership much more than to /protect any legitimate government secret. After all, they're supposed /to be discussing openly available civilian encryption technologies. /Funny how the most obvious, no-brainer public policy questions always /seem to generate the most controversy... And what, pray tell, is per se wrong with "legal types"? Why do you think Bollinger, Hellman, Neumann, Patel are knee-jerk non-liberals? (Or even Civiletti for that matter, he's reasonable). OK there are no *radicals* but what do you expect from the establishment? I think you will get a respectful hearing if you make sensible comments. I have no doubt that you personallly will do the latter. SOLONg

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crypt program
by tim werner 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 00:13:39 -0400 >From: tim werner <werner(a)mc.ab.com> > >Can someone tell me where the source is for the crypt program? I'd like >to build it for my Linux system. I forgot the name under which I had it was bin-crypt.c. I have it after all. Thanks. tw

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