December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: cripple quest
by Patrick Juola 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Nobody asks : re cripple; i was told that if law enforcement cannot determine which key will unlock the message prior to the message actually being sent over the net, the message will not be decodable is there any truth to this? I don't think so. I can certainly download a message onto my disk and decypher it at my leisure, by brute force if necessary. Patrick

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Re: Crime and punishment in cyberspace - 3 of 3
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Jim choate "Rights are the items of a citizens characteristic which are outside the ability of that government to control within its charter. Rights come before a government forms. If they didn't then you would not be able to give it a charter." This is true in the sense that one has the right to exist and to function and in general to be oneself independent of artificial government operations. In Nature, you have a "right" to anything you like, but there may be no one besides yourself there to appreciate that fact and to deliver it. When a group of individuals associate and create agreements/charters, the delineation of rights serves to protect their separateness - their property, their privacy, their character - against encroachments from the group, by defining consciously where the boundary lines are to be drawn - what the individual can expect to keep, in exception to what everyone expects to share. Once a group considers itself an official "society" of like-minded individuals, they often begin to demand "rights" which do not naturally belong to them or their society - or which they have not explicity agreed to share: . the right to have what others have created/produced (like a service which nature does not automatically arrange for delivery - ex: optical cables & the internet at 3200 bps) . the right to access what is not their own (outside of what nature has naturally endowed them with - ex: computers) "Self protection is a requirement in general against another individual and not a society." A society of like-minded individuals can also be a threat to the safety of non-conformists, depending on how the group decides to respond to those who are not exactly like the others. Blanc

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GPS encryption of low order bits
by peb＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I don't know how they encrypt the "low order bits", but I do know that it isn't a show-stopper. Trimble Navigation makes GPS devices that, once calibrated by a known position, are centimeter accurate. This is done *without* a ground signal (an older technique around the GPS crippling). Paul E. Baclace peb(a)netcom.com

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party (in the SF/bayarea)
by Evil Pete 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I have leftover drink and supplies from last list party a month ago so I am inviting people to come by and help me finish it off. there is no theme just show up and be social and help us drink Saturday June 11th starting sometime after 9 (unless you want to join me and my roomates for a BBQ around 7 or 8) call first... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQBVAgUBLfdht3ynuL1gkffFAQGN4gH+LbRQ1bNG6bF96i9jUVX7XjdR9Hj/T3aQ A4qvw/nmEG5CQmPO/ikMXp5mng5NaxXoypRmtIK4U11q4x3wGZgC6g== =G+0O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Please call if you have any questions 2341 Spaulding Ave Berkeley Ca 94703-1627 the cross street is Channing Spaulding is one block above Sacramento Ave. and only gos between Dwight and Allston (it does not connect to Univ. Ave) ^ MLK way/Telegraph/Shattuck ave | <- university ave | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | /-------+ +--- --------+ +--------------+ +-----+ _ _ _ California - - - - +--- --------+ +--------------+ +--------------+ | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 2341 | | | | | | X |C | | | --------+B +--------------+h +--------------+D | a Spaulding a w | --------+n +--------------+n +--------------+i | |c | |n | |g | |r | |i | |h | |o | |n | |t | |f | |g | | | |t | | | |w | | | |w | |a | --------+w +-------------- a +--------------+y +---------- _ _ _ a _ _ _ _ _ _ y _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ y Sacramento --------+ +--------------+ +--------------+ +---------- | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | . | ^ | . | My Place -> Take your favorite freeway to | | . | 580/Berkeley and get off at the U.C. | . | University ave off ramp and drive Campus | . | up toward U.C. Campus (stay in the | . | Gas right lane to be safe). 7/11 | . | Station +--------------+ +-------------- The Second major intersection should _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ be Sacramento ave (~1 mile). Take a Sacramento right on to Sacramento and get into +--------------+ +-------------- the left lane (see map to the left) Gas |U . | Video Station |n . | Store At the next light take a left and |i . | drive one block then make a right <-- North |v . | onto Spaulding ave. Berkeley |e . | Bart |r . | I live at 2341 Spaulding, it is the Station |s . | 580 third house from Channing way, with |i . | | a red cracked driveway. (see other map) |t . | V |y . | In case you get lost my home number | . | is (510) 849-2230

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Signatures for Credit Cards?
by fnerd＠smds.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

c'punx- Stuart Baker, of all people, (in his recent Wired article) mentions that digital signatures will mean never having to give out your credit card number over the phone or the net. Did we go over this one? Were any of those recent press releases about acceptable(*) crypto, over-the-phone credit cards? (*)By acceptable, I mean, okay, it's not cash and I still have to trust the issuing bank, but at least it's secure otherwise. -fnerd - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - the snack that eats like a food -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a aKxB8nktcBAeQHabQP/d7yhWgpGZBIoIqII8cY9nG55HYHgvt3niQCVAgUBLMs3K ui6XaCZmKH68fOWYYySKAzPkXyfYKnOlzsIjp2tPEot1Q5A3/n54PBKrUDN9tHVz 3Ch466q9EKUuDulTU6OLsilzmRvQJn0EJhzd4pht6hSnC1R3seYNhUYhoJViCcCG sRjLQs4iVVM= =9wqs -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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I will be in Detroit/Cleveland/Akron area this weekend
by collins＠newton.apple.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

...and cities between. I could also stop in Ann Arbor. Any cypherpunks in these towns who want to sign keys, etc, email asap; I might not be able to retrieve it after I depart. Be seeing you, Scott Collins | "That's not fair!" -- Sarah | "You say that so often. I wonder what your basis 408.862.0540 | for comparison is." -- Goblin King ................|.................................................... BUSINESS. fax:974.6094 R254(IL5-2N) collins(a)newton.apple.com Apple Computer, Inc. 5 Infinite Loop, MS 305-2D Cupertino, CA 95014 ..................................................................... PERSONAL. 408.257.1746 1024:669687 catalyst(a)netcom.com

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Re: Regarding my 500/1 Lurk/Post ratio
by jamiel＠sybase.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> funny think about garcia, his first time ever post on c'punx was about > larry too...... strange times indeed when a newbie bursts on the scene > knowing all about us My question is why it even matters. Does anyone out there really think this is some sort of safe space? I know _I'd_ never post anything I didn't want to see in WiReD magazine a few months down the road... -j

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Re: Regulatory Arbitrage
by rah＠shipwright.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Excuse me while gush... As usual, Eric is right. [great discussion about how regulation only creates markets elsewhere...] Arguably (only arguably...) some economic regulation is good for us: like a *few* pharmaceutical and food regulations, maybe. Eric points out that internet commerce and e-money, e$ for short, reminds one of something that has been going on for a long time with another E$, this time Eurodollars. (Kind of like AOL, eh?) Eurodollars were invented to get around American tax and currency regulations, and those of other countries. You had all these American corporations funding themselves through subsidiaries in Carribbean countries like the Netherlands Antilles. (Any time you see "Companyname, N.V.", the "NV" is Dutch for "we funded this with offshore dollars" ;-). George Soros, who founded Quantum Fund, N.V., is evidently happy with the results of this knowlege. He recently made the fastest billion dollars in history pointing out the folly of the European currency exchange rate mechanism, much to the chagrin of the Bank of England and other central banks whose money he pocketed. I remember a Milton Friedman quote, something to the effect that regulations only benefit a market's producers, not its consumers. Current day Japan, states with barber and bartender "licences", and Smoot/Hawley America in the 1930's might be good examples of that. If there's a market for those goods/services elsewhere, people *will* buy there. With internet commerce and e$ ,"elsewhere" is everywhere... But we know that already, don't we? I can't wait until the rest of the information, or the software, or the intellectual services buying public figure that out. The only way to prevent that is to regulate economic commerce on the internet, which makes me shudder to think about. Although, if the paradigm holds, it won't make much difference. It'll be like stopping capitalism itself. Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) "There is no difference between someone Shipwright Development Corporation who eats too little and sees Heaven and 44 Farquhar Street someone who drinks too much and sees Boston, MA 02331 USA snakes." -- Bertrand Russell (617) 323-7923

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NIST to propose cryptographic APIs
by paul＠hawksbill.sprintmrn.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

extracted from: Network World volume 11, number 23 June 6, 1994 page 3 NIST to propose cryptographic APIs by Ellen Messmer Washington, D.C. -- The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) will soon issue a set of application program interfaces (API) that would enable vendors to integrate their products with the cryptography systems used by the federal government. Federal security managers are supporting the idea because it will simplify purchasing and bring some interoperability to cryptography products. But the move will mean more work for vendors. Once the APIs are approved as a federal mandatory purchasing standard, software and hardware vendors that want to sell to the government would have to modify any products they sell with cryptographic functions to support the government-required APIs. Several vendors, including Apple Computer, Inc., Lotus Development Corp., Novell, Inc. and WordPerfect Corp., have already integrated functions for digital signatures, encryption and decryption into the latest versions of their products. They have licensed cryptography technology from RSA Data Security, Inc., and the APIs used in their products are based on an open specification called the Public Key Cryptography Standard. In spite of the work on these industry-standard APIs, vendors may have to revamp their products to suit the government. NIST said it will detail how the government wants vendors to change their products to support a high-level API in all products sold to federal agencies. "There would be an advantage to having a common set of services calls," said Miles Smid, manager of the security technology group at NIST. "You wouldn't be locked into a single vendor. In the future, if you added more equipment or changed it, the software would still be compatible." Smid said the API service calls will include commands to sign or verify a message electronically, and encrypt or decrypt it. The calls would invoke the functions from a PCMCIA card, a smart card, software or other means. With the APIs, the user's application could make use of any cryptographic algorithm, regardless or whether it's Digital Encryption Standard, Skipjack or RSA, Smid said. "It's a great idea," said Jim Robinette, security manager at the Internal Revenue Service, which makes considerable use of both private- and public-key technology. "It's a necessity for us. From the user's perspective, it would make life very simple." A high-level API would still allow vendors free rein in how they implement their systems at a lower level, Robinette said. But he added that it may not necessarily be easy for vendors to implement the APIs. RSA President James Bidzos criticized the cryptography API plan as another swipe at his firm, which has been battling the government on patent rights issues for years. "They're not trying to work with industry on this," he said. NIST plans to unveil the APIs in about a month.

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digital world
by Richard D. Enegage 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Please send me info about your group or whatever the hell it is. I saw people wearing the "cypherpunk criminal" shirts at digital world, and recognized it from my Windows background .BMP. See ya around the datasphere- -reneGage renegag(a)eis.calstate.edu

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