December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Email Stalking on CNN
by snyderra＠dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:33 PM 5/27/94 -0700, Jeff Davis wrote: >The idiot box behind me is making noise about Headline News' lead story >for the evening, Email Stalking. The woman involved states she'll never >use email again. Seems to me her arguments are moot, as cypherpunks has >already developed the technology to solve this problem. Anyone volunteer >to be a spokesperson for rebuttal? The stalking itself wasn't conducted via email, from my understanding of the story. They met via email (on AOL, it appears), and she tried to slow things down, and he showed up and sent her email saying he saw her leave work, and that he thought she was attractive. The involvement of email is only secondary, but since email fits in the "Information Superhighway" buzzword catagory, I suspect CNN jumped on this. This really has little to do with cryptography, though. Bob -- Bob Snyder N2KGO MIME, RIPEM mail accepted snyderra(a)dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu finger for RIPEM public key When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl.

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Re: Email Stalking on CNN
by kentborg＠world.std.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

various people wrote: [various things about email stalking, kill files, and whether AOL has 'em] No, AOL does not have kill features, but between rebooting their overloaded computers they are adding new features to their email system... Having recently subscribed to both cypherpunks and savoynet, I only now have my first real need for mail filtering, first in many years of doing email. Hey folks, it ain't something my mom is going to figure out any time soon. procmail (which several of you very nicely mentioned to ignorant me, thanks again) has about the worst man page I have ever seen--imagine hiding the "SEE ALSO" section near the beginning of a man page? Now that I have also found the procmailrc man page and have some examples (thanks pierre) I will soon be shunting you folks into a different cubby hole from Mikado and leap year discussions. Related note: when was the last time you successfully explained how to use PGP to a "normal" ( <- be honest here) person? The "real world" (which now *does* include email) needs better tools than this. If you expect CNN reporters to even know that man pages exist you are in for a disappointment. -kb, the money-in-mouth Kent who will donate user interface design work to c'punk-type efforts to make this stuff easier... -- Kent Borg +1 (617) 776-6899 kentborg(a)world.std.com kentborg(a)aol.com Proud to claim 24:35 hours of TV viewing so far in 1994!

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Re: Email Stalking on CNN
by lile＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am pretty sure that kill files work silently. THe whole point is to not be bothered with mail coming from a person. Haven't heard from Sternlight in awhile.... :) As for AOL, I am not sure what mailer she was using and if she even knows how to use such things as killfiles. Prehaps someone could get an account on AOL and investigate what is offered in this area. It would be great if the oldones could inform the newones... though it's hard. Prehaps we should write a book... -lile

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by Jeff Gostin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

kentborg(a)world.std.com (Kent Borg) writes: > Related note: when was the last time you successfully explained how to > use PGP to a "normal" ( <- be honest here) person? Interestingly enough, just yesterday. I assure you, the person who needed the explanation was hardly what one could consider 'techno-savvy'. --Jeff -- ====== ====== +----------------jgostin(a)eternal.pha.pa.us----------------+ == == | The new, improved, environmentally safe, bigger, better,| == == -= | faster, hypo-allergenic, AND politically correct .sig. | ==== ====== | Now with a new fresh lemon scent! | PGP Key Available +---------------------------------------------------------+

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by Jeff Gostin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

sidney(a)apple.com (Sidney Markowitz) writes: > pink computers. People on the mailing list are upset over the underlying > message of the article that the net is technological and male and no place > for a poor helpless unscientific woman. For almost two years, I was a Tech Support Rep (ooooooo! Evil Incarnate!) for a software company. It was my experience that, of all the customers I dealt with, women tended to be less "clued in" about computers. However, I also found that they were easier to work with, and didn't require as much "diplomacy" as the male customers I dealt with. Mind you, this is my experience -- your mileage may vary. The whole point here is that, as a whole, women do tend to be less informed about technology (or at least computers.). Technology is generally seen, by society, as a "male thing". This trend is changing, but it is still in force. --Jeff -- ====== ====== +----------------jgostin(a)eternal.pha.pa.us----------------+ == == | The new, improved, environmentally safe, bigger, better,| == == -= | faster, hypo-allergenic, AND politically correct .sig. | ==== ====== | Now with a new fresh lemon scent! | PGP Key Available +---------------------------------------------------------+

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Is this just MY problem?
by bart＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anon1 says: >... Whoever2 says: ... >... ... >... ... HUH? At this point I am no longer conversant with who is who, are you? So, what is the solution? Rather more explicit attribution I think.

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RE: Is Mail being delayed?
by Bill Garland 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From Tim May : >C'punks, >Once again I'm seeing day-long delays in getting mail, and I don't >know if the problem is at the toad site or at Netcom's end (or at a >relay link in between). Hence this message. ... >If you are gettting mail out of order (replies from others before the >original appears) or delayed by more than several hours, drop me a >note if you would and I will summarize what I learn. This happens to me all the time. I quite often see duplicate postings, too, although the multiple-posting copies of the same message eg the Chaum ecash announcement was a different problem, possibly caused by the same delay problem - re-posters haven't yet seen the first copy. >I'm especially interested to hear from Netcom sites. Can't help you there, except provide evidence that it is not a local netcom problem. Not to say netcom doesn't have local problems... I am at the end of the world here, at least the corner of North America. Think of me as your East Coast Sentinel - I can see Signal Hill from here if I go outside, and I can see Cape Spear from there. On Signal Hill there actually is one of those posts with arrows pointing to New York, London, Moscow, etc, with all the mileage. (Maybe I should invent East Coast Sentinal as a pseudonym.) There are two lines into here for Internet traffic, and perhaps soon to be others, but except for that, we are the end of the line. Might make traffic analysis a problem someday. >--Tim May /----------------------------------------------------------------------\ | I am an Extropian. | Macronic Systems, Inc. offers Ideas for Sale ! | | BEST: DO_IT_SO ! | Go for it : Pledge a Digital US Dollar now. | | CryptoAnarchist. | Send PGP key for more information. | | Cypherpunk. | Get in on the ground floor. Invest Now. Trust me! | | Owner : MSInc., |---------------------------------------------------| | HEx, INFO_Banque | Day Job : Bill Garland = bill(a)kean.ucs.mun.ca | \__________________________________o o_________________________________/

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Re: removed from list....
by lefty＠apple.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>The cypherpunks list was wiped because of a bug in majordomo, not >because of some attack. Thank you for clearing this up; I think it's severely overdue. I've tried to gently point this out when it came up, but there was never a _shred_, _scintilla_, _iota_, or _atom_ of evidence that Mr. Nalbandian, although an extreme dope, was in any way involved in the mass unsubscribing of a few weeks ago. I mean, fun's fun and all, but many people on this list are carrying personal paranoia to an, in my opinion, unhealthy extreme. Moreover, the willingness to point at a supposedly guilty party on the basis of no evidence whatsoever does not speak well of the commitment of many here to any of the commonly accepted principles of a free society _other_ _than_ that of privacy. Presumption of innocence? Reasonable doubt? Any of those things ring a bell? I would even go so far as to suggest that those who have cast blame in Mr. Nalbandian's direction should apologize to him. -- Lefty [gYon-Pa] (lefty(a)apple.com) C:.M:.C:., D:.O:.D:.

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Proof that tmp@netcom.com is Detweiler ?
by usura＠vox.hacktic.nl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Who/what is Detweiler ? > > From: Stanton McCandlish <mech(a)eff.org> > Message-ID: <net-community/orgs-list_769514754(a)rtfm.mit.edu> > Date: 21 May 1994 10:06:51 GMT > Expires: 25 Jun 1994 10:05:54 GMT > Reply-To: Stanton McCandlish <mech(a)eff.org> > Approved: news-answers-request(a)mit.edu > Supersedes: <net-community/orgs-list_767656298(a)rtfm.mit.edu> > NNTP-Posting-Host: bloom-picayune.mit.edu > X-Last-Updated: 1994/05/03 > Originator: faqserv(a)bloom-picayune.MIT.EDU > > Archive-name: net-community/orgs-list > Version: 3.13 > Last-modified: 94/04/08 > > > (This document has been brought to you in part by CRAM. See the > bottom for more information, including instructions on how to > obtain updates.) > > === [massive deletia] > === > CRAM: the Cyberspatial Reality Advancement Movement > > In an effort to bring valuable information to the masses, and > as a service to motivated information compilers, I > (L. Detweiler) will help others unfamiliar with Usenet > `publish' their documents for widespread dissemination via the > FAQ structure, and act as a `sponsor' knowledgable in the > submissions process. This document is being distributed under > this arrangement. > > I have found these compilations tend to appear on various > mailing lists and are valuable enough to deserve wider > distribution. If you know of an existing compilation of > Internet information that is not currently a FAQ, please > contact me and I may `sponsor' it. The benefits to the author > include: > > - use of the existing FAQ infrastructure for distribution: > - automated mail server service > - FTP archival > - automated posting > > - a far wider audience that can improve the quality, accuracy, > and coverage of the document enormously through email > feedback > > - potential professional inquiries for the use of your > document in other settings, such as newsletters, books, > etc. > > - with me as your sponsor, I will also take care of the > technicalities in the proper format of the posted version > and updating procedures, leaving you free of the `overhead' > to focus on the basic updates alone > > Send comments relating to the *distribution* of this document > (particularly relevant newsgroups not currently covered in > its current distribution) or inquiries on other documents to > <tmp(a)netcom.com>. > > The choice of who I `sponsor' is entirely arbitrary. You always > have the option of handling the submission process yourself. > See the FAQ submission guidlines FAQ in news.answers. > -- Exit! Stage Left. Alex de Joode <usura(a)vox.hacktic.nl>

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by tim werner 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 15:02:13 -0700 >From: Ryan Bushby <oxhlodo(a)hebron.connected.com> >Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com >Precedence: bulk > >Send List. cornflakes razor blades light bulbs ham national enquirer cheese bread spaghetti sauce soap

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