December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by Jeff Gostin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

kentborg(a)world.std.com (Kent Borg) writes: > Related note: when was the last time you successfully explained how to > use PGP to a "normal" ( <- be honest here) person? Interestingly enough, just yesterday. I assure you, the person who needed the explanation was hardly what one could consider 'techno-savvy'. --Jeff -- ====== ====== +----------------jgostin(a)eternal.pha.pa.us----------------+ == == | The new, improved, environmentally safe, bigger, better,| == == -= | faster, hypo-allergenic, AND politically correct .sig. | ==== ====== | Now with a new fresh lemon scent! | PGP Key Available +---------------------------------------------------------+

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by Jeff Gostin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

sidney(a)apple.com (Sidney Markowitz) writes: > pink computers. People on the mailing list are upset over the underlying > message of the article that the net is technological and male and no place > for a poor helpless unscientific woman. For almost two years, I was a Tech Support Rep (ooooooo! Evil Incarnate!) for a software company. It was my experience that, of all the customers I dealt with, women tended to be less "clued in" about computers. However, I also found that they were easier to work with, and didn't require as much "diplomacy" as the male customers I dealt with. Mind you, this is my experience -- your mileage may vary. The whole point here is that, as a whole, women do tend to be less informed about technology (or at least computers.). Technology is generally seen, by society, as a "male thing". This trend is changing, but it is still in force. --Jeff -- ====== ====== +----------------jgostin(a)eternal.pha.pa.us----------------+ == == | The new, improved, environmentally safe, bigger, better,| == == -= | faster, hypo-allergenic, AND politically correct .sig. | ==== ====== | Now with a new fresh lemon scent! | PGP Key Available +---------------------------------------------------------+

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Is this just MY problem?
by bart＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anon1 says: >... Whoever2 says: ... >... ... >... ... HUH? At this point I am no longer conversant with who is who, are you? So, what is the solution? Rather more explicit attribution I think.

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RE: Is Mail being delayed?
by Bill Garland 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From Tim May : >C'punks, >Once again I'm seeing day-long delays in getting mail, and I don't >know if the problem is at the toad site or at Netcom's end (or at a >relay link in between). Hence this message. ... >If you are gettting mail out of order (replies from others before the >original appears) or delayed by more than several hours, drop me a >note if you would and I will summarize what I learn. This happens to me all the time. I quite often see duplicate postings, too, although the multiple-posting copies of the same message eg the Chaum ecash announcement was a different problem, possibly caused by the same delay problem - re-posters haven't yet seen the first copy. >I'm especially interested to hear from Netcom sites. Can't help you there, except provide evidence that it is not a local netcom problem. Not to say netcom doesn't have local problems... I am at the end of the world here, at least the corner of North America. Think of me as your East Coast Sentinel - I can see Signal Hill from here if I go outside, and I can see Cape Spear from there. On Signal Hill there actually is one of those posts with arrows pointing to New York, London, Moscow, etc, with all the mileage. (Maybe I should invent East Coast Sentinal as a pseudonym.) There are two lines into here for Internet traffic, and perhaps soon to be others, but except for that, we are the end of the line. Might make traffic analysis a problem someday. >--Tim May /----------------------------------------------------------------------\ | I am an Extropian. | Macronic Systems, Inc. offers Ideas for Sale ! | | BEST: DO_IT_SO ! | Go for it : Pledge a Digital US Dollar now. | | CryptoAnarchist. | Send PGP key for more information. | | Cypherpunk. | Get in on the ground floor. Invest Now. Trust me! | | Owner : MSInc., |---------------------------------------------------| | HEx, INFO_Banque | Day Job : Bill Garland = bill(a)kean.ucs.mun.ca | \__________________________________o o_________________________________/

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Re: removed from list....
by lefty＠apple.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>The cypherpunks list was wiped because of a bug in majordomo, not >because of some attack. Thank you for clearing this up; I think it's severely overdue. I've tried to gently point this out when it came up, but there was never a _shred_, _scintilla_, _iota_, or _atom_ of evidence that Mr. Nalbandian, although an extreme dope, was in any way involved in the mass unsubscribing of a few weeks ago. I mean, fun's fun and all, but many people on this list are carrying personal paranoia to an, in my opinion, unhealthy extreme. Moreover, the willingness to point at a supposedly guilty party on the basis of no evidence whatsoever does not speak well of the commitment of many here to any of the commonly accepted principles of a free society _other_ _than_ that of privacy. Presumption of innocence? Reasonable doubt? Any of those things ring a bell? I would even go so far as to suggest that those who have cast blame in Mr. Nalbandian's direction should apologize to him. -- Lefty [gYon-Pa] (lefty(a)apple.com) C:.M:.C:., D:.O:.D:.

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Proof that tmp@netcom.com is Detweiler ?
by usura＠vox.hacktic.nl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Who/what is Detweiler ? > > From: Stanton McCandlish <mech(a)eff.org> > Message-ID: <net-community/orgs-list_769514754(a)rtfm.mit.edu> > Date: 21 May 1994 10:06:51 GMT > Expires: 25 Jun 1994 10:05:54 GMT > Reply-To: Stanton McCandlish <mech(a)eff.org> > Approved: news-answers-request(a)mit.edu > Supersedes: <net-community/orgs-list_767656298(a)rtfm.mit.edu> > NNTP-Posting-Host: bloom-picayune.mit.edu > X-Last-Updated: 1994/05/03 > Originator: faqserv(a)bloom-picayune.MIT.EDU > > Archive-name: net-community/orgs-list > Version: 3.13 > Last-modified: 94/04/08 > > > (This document has been brought to you in part by CRAM. See the > bottom for more information, including instructions on how to > obtain updates.) > > === [massive deletia] > === > CRAM: the Cyberspatial Reality Advancement Movement > > In an effort to bring valuable information to the masses, and > as a service to motivated information compilers, I > (L. Detweiler) will help others unfamiliar with Usenet > `publish' their documents for widespread dissemination via the > FAQ structure, and act as a `sponsor' knowledgable in the > submissions process. This document is being distributed under > this arrangement. > > I have found these compilations tend to appear on various > mailing lists and are valuable enough to deserve wider > distribution. If you know of an existing compilation of > Internet information that is not currently a FAQ, please > contact me and I may `sponsor' it. The benefits to the author > include: > > - use of the existing FAQ infrastructure for distribution: > - automated mail server service > - FTP archival > - automated posting > > - a far wider audience that can improve the quality, accuracy, > and coverage of the document enormously through email > feedback > > - potential professional inquiries for the use of your > document in other settings, such as newsletters, books, > etc. > > - with me as your sponsor, I will also take care of the > technicalities in the proper format of the posted version > and updating procedures, leaving you free of the `overhead' > to focus on the basic updates alone > > Send comments relating to the *distribution* of this document > (particularly relevant newsgroups not currently covered in > its current distribution) or inquiries on other documents to > <tmp(a)netcom.com>. > > The choice of who I `sponsor' is entirely arbitrary. You always > have the option of handling the submission process yourself. > See the FAQ submission guidlines FAQ in news.answers. > -- Exit! Stage Left. Alex de Joode <usura(a)vox.hacktic.nl>

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List
by tim werner 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 15:02:13 -0700 >From: Ryan Bushby <oxhlodo(a)hebron.connected.com> >Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com >Precedence: bulk > >Send List. cornflakes razor blades light bulbs ham national enquirer cheese bread spaghetti sauce soap

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Zimmermann statement on PGP 2.6
by Philip Zimmermann 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The following message may be reposted to all interested newsgroups. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- From: Philip Zimmermann, author of PGP To: People interested in PGP Date: 28 May 94 On 24 May 1994, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology released PGP (Pretty Good Privacy) version 2.6. PGP is a software package that encrypts electronic mail, using public key cryptography. Over the past three years, PGP has become the worldwide de facto standard for email encryption. PGP 2.6 is being published under the terms of the RSAREF license from RSA Data Security, Inc (RSADSI). This is a significant milestone in PGP's legal development. Export of this software from the US or Canada may be restricted by the US Government. PGP version 2.6 is being released through a posting on a controlled FTP site maintained by MIT. This site has restrictions and limitations which have been used on other FTP sites to comply with export control requirements with respect to other encryption software such as Kerberos and software from RSA Data Security, Inc. These special mechanisms are intended to preclude export of cryptographic software from the US. The MIT FTP site that carries PGP is net-dist.mit.edu, in the pub/PGP directory. This new freeware version of PGP is for noncommercial use. For commercial use, you may get ViaCrypt PGP, available on a variety of platforms. ViaCrypt may be contacted at 602-944-0773, or via email at viacrypt(a)acm.org. PGP 2.6 is as strong as earlier versions. It contains no back doors. It can read messages, signatures, and keys from PGP versions 2.5, 2.4, 2.3a, and 2.3. Beginning in September, a built-in software timer will trigger PGP 2.6 to begin producing messages, signatures, and keys that cannot be read by earlier versions of PGP. It will still retain its ability to read things from earlier versions after that date, so that users who upgrade to 2.6 will not be inconvenienced, particularly if everyone else upgrades by that time. The reason for the change in format is to grant RSADSI's request to MIT to encourage all users to stop using older versions. ViaCrypt's new products will support the new formats used by PGP 2.6. Details of the compatibility issues and their reasons are outlined in the PGP User's Guide, included in the release package. See also the official statements released by MIT for further details. Version 2.6 also has some bug fixes and improvements of the version 2.5 released by MIT on 9 May 1994. Both the 2.5 and 2.6 versions were produced in a joint project between myself and MIT. Both versions were released by MIT after extensive review by MIT's administration and their legal counsel. I am told by MIT that MIT's legal counsel believes that both versions 2.5 and 2.6 do not infringe the RSA patents in any way, and they both comply with the terms of the RSAREF licenses that each were released under. But regardless of the noninfringing nature of version 2.5, I urge all PGP users in the US to upgrade to version 2.6, to help move toward eradication of earlier, pre-RSAREF versions of PGP. This will improve the overall political and legal landscape surrounding PGP. MIT will publish details on the simple format change so that earlier European versions of PGP may be independently upgraded by the Europeans. This note does not attempt to answer all the questions you may have about the implications of this new release of PGP. For further details, see the information released by MIT, or see the PGP User's Guide in the new release package. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQCVAgUBLegMXmV5hLjHqWbdAQE0NAQAiTafSwM8eNfYYvkslNR6bun/GIelvziA M/9h5fn3zUQt2Bc6rkuz1TBlnMZUoduufinI9eSr+cdXbfhxNIQmRArhw3EJd1f+ siZaPmTR3YXvUwuXMcruMbUvEYpSBmtBVrxTzxNSIwx3/hJJB2z9sT1/B+UZdFwi EZX1O/mpiZw= =ULD1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: The Assault on Unicorn has Begun
by dmandl＠panix.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Some random and unorganized thoughts on this whole issue from the list's token anti-capitalist: Bob Black (the anarchist) has declared that he has a standing "no first use" policy regarding the state. He won't sic the cops on anyone unless they do it first. Noam Chomsky has publicly stated that, on principle, he won't sue anyone for defamation or libel no matter what they do--and he's had plenty of opportunities. I feel the same way (though I don't see completely eye-to-eye with either of those guys). I would have to be harmed in a VERY serious way before I'd consider calling the cops. As for lawsuits, pretty much the same thing goes, and I almost can't imagine suing anyone for something they _say_ about me. This is something I never think about; it seems absolutely basic to my anarchist views. Unicorn: If you choose to be involved with the straight business world, you've got to deal with the heat. MY views could potentially get me in much more hot water than yours could, but I (grudgingly) accept the risk. I'm not dying to have the capitalists I work for see my rants, but if they do, I've got to live with it. They know me and know that I've never screwed them, and they can believe what they want to believe. I'm not thrilled about this, but c'est la vie. You wimped out at the very first sign of heat, and invoked the LAW (i.e, the state) as your first line of defense. I don't think you specified exactly what the settlement with tmp was, but what could it have possibly been? Payment to you? How would that have helped assuage the concerns of your business associates? An apology from tmp to the associates? Big deal. The guy's obviously a nut-ball, and you could have explained that; presumably the associates have some amount of trust in you. If it _was_ a payment, that's just sleazy and greedy, the standard ambulance-chaser cliche ("You've done irreparable damage to me, but maybe if you agreed to pay me $3,000..."). And how could the tiny amount tmp could afford compensate for the "millions" of dollars you've lost? If the settlement was for an apology, again, big deal--do the associates take this anonymous net.lunatic seriously enough that an apology would make everything all better? And you now look silly, because he's reneged on that part of the deal anyway. So in this case, using the lawyer weapon has had much the same effect as the standard statist weapon ("I know: we'll pass a LAW! _That_ will stop them!")--that is, no effect at all. Tim May (who I have certain obvious philosophical differences with) has been completely consistent on this issue, and his word carries that much more weight because he's been subjected to Detweiler's most relentless battering. THIS is the real world. Your anarchist principles have just been put to the test, and you buckled, immediately falling back on a statist solution. "Right-wing" anarchists are always bashing liberals and "P.C." types for being thin-skinned and unable to stand up to harmless name-calling. Well, you've shown yourself to be just as thin-skinned. The only difference I see is that there's MONEY involved. So? Liberals are wimps for trying to sue you for calling them names, but you're justified in suing because the name-calling has cost you money? And all because you're dealing with straights who can't handle reality? And meanwhile, YOU'RE the one who messed up and blew your own cover? Hmmm... It's very late, and I'm groggy, so I apologize in advance if any of the above seems unnecessarily blunt. It's not intended that way. --Dave. -- Dave Mandl Planetary Work Machine, Brooklyn Branch dmandl(a)panix.com

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Re: Why it is legal to export PGP under ITAR
by lefty＠apple.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>The US ITAR law exempts many things from export restrictions, among them, >materials availiable in public libraries. It gives no special definition for a >library. My American Heritage Dictionary defines "library" as, among other >things, "An orginized collection of recorded data arranged for ease of use." >IOW, an ftp site. Which means that if a program is available from a public ftp >site, you're legally allowed to export it. :) Congratulations on outsmarting the United States Government. No doubt they'll shrug their shoulders and pout while you go right ahead and export all the stuff you want. Perry, what was the name of the fellow who proved that the IRS couldn't collect taxes from him? How many bullets did they put in him? -- Lefty [gYon-Pa] (lefty(a)apple.com) C:.M:.C:., D:.O:.D:.

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