Bart Nagel in Mondo
Check out the lead article in the "Summer 94" issue of _Mondo2000_. It is a spoof by Bart Nagel that starts off sounding like steganography. The article basically states that the photo-journalist-publisher industry is proposing that all images be encoded using stego techniques to contain unique identifiers that would prevent copy infringements. The article starts in a *VERY* believable fashion before trailing off into an obvious spoof. Very well done. Dave Otto -- dave@marvin.jta.edd.ca.gov -- daveotto@acm.org "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" [the Great Oz] {I *DO* have a life, it's just that my kids are using it right now!}
On Jun 17, 8:38am, Dave Otto wrote:
Subject: Bart Nagel in Mondo Check out the lead article in the "Summer 94" issue of _Mondo2000_. It is a spoof by Bart Nagel that starts off sounding like steganography.
The article basically states that the photo-journalist-publisher industry is proposing that all images be encoded using stego techniques to contain unique identifiers that would prevent copy infringements. The article starts in a *VERY* believable fashion before trailing off into an obvious spoof. Very well done.
Ummm... I haven't read the article, Dave, but there *has* been talk recently in some photo magazines about doing just that. I don't have the details at hand, but I was told this by Romana Machado, the author of Stego, whose product was mentioned recently in an industry publication. Romana (romana@apple.com) should have details; she is being copied on this message. -- Russell Earl Whitaker whitaker@csd.sgi.com Silicon Graphics Inc. Technical Assistance Center / Centre D'Assistance Technique / Tekunikaru Ashisutansu Sentaa Mountain View CA (415) 390-2250 ================================================================ #include <std_disclaimer.h>
On Jun 17, 9:06am, Russell Whitaker wrote:
Subject: Re: Bart Nagel in Mondo On Jun 17, 8:38am, Dave Otto wrote:
Subject: Bart Nagel in Mondo Check out the lead article in the "Summer 94" issue of _Mondo2000_. It is a spoof by Bart Nagel that starts off sounding like steganography.
The article basically states that the photo-journalist-publisher industry is proposing that all images be encoded using stego techniques to contain unique identifiers that would prevent copy infringements. The article starts in a *VERY* believable fashion before trailing off into an obvious spoof. Very well done.
Ummm... I haven't read the article, Dave, but there *has* been talk recently in some photo magazines about doing just that. I don't have the details at hand, but I was told this by Romana Machado, the author of Stego, whose product was mentioned recently in an industry publication.
Romana (romana@apple.com) should have details; she is being copied on this message.
[following up on the above message of mine earlier....] Romana has asked me to pass along the following: In this month's issue of Photo/Electric Imaging, Stego is featured as an ideal product for "watermarking" digital images. A commerical photographer pointed out the article to me. This magazine is available at major camera stores such as Ewert's in San Jose - I haven't dropped by to pick up my own copy yet. I was polite but icy to Mondo folks when they inquired about Stego, sent them the same info that I send everyone else, but pointed out the exceedingly poor research they had done for _Mondo's Guide To The New Edge_, and expressed a hope that my product would not be similarly treated. [End of excerpted forward to cypherpunks by Romana Machado (romana@apple.com)] -- Russell Earl Whitaker whitaker@csd.sgi.com Silicon Graphics Inc. Technical Assistance Center / Centre D'Assistance Technique / Tekunikaru Ashisutansu Sentaa Mountain View CA (415) 390-2250 ================================================================ #include <std_disclaimer.h>
Russell Whitaker writes:
[following up on the above message of mine earlier....]
Romana has asked me to pass along the following:
In this month's issue of Photo/Electric Imaging, Stego is featured as an ideal product for "watermarking" digital images. A commerical photographer pointed out the article to me. This magazine is available at major camera stores such as Ewert's in San Jose - I haven't dropped by to pick up my own copy yet. I was polite but icy to Mondo folks when they inquired about Stego, sent them the same info that I send everyone else, but pointed out the exceedingly poor research they had done for _Mondo's Guide To The New Edge_, and expressed a hope that my product would not be similarly treated.
[End of excerpted forward to cypherpunks by Romana Machado (romana@apple.com)]
I've been writing about the LSB method of steganography in digital images and sound files since 1988 (in sci.crypt, elsewhere), but I find this "watermarking" idea extremely implausible: - the LSB method works for digital images, but is easily defeated by twiddling the low order bits (essentially overwriting the LSBs...if the first set is visually undetectable, so will later overwrites). - the most common method by far of "appropriating" images is via scanners. These scanners will not generally pick up the LSBs, or even the second-least significant bits. And if they do, some slight blurring or filtering would remove them. And so on. (This is what clued me in 3.7 seconds into reading Bart Nagel's piece in "Mondo." His mention of "cypherpunks" was a nice touch, too.) "Watermarking" of analog images is impractical, at least using any variants of the LSB method I can think of. And digital images can similarly be filtered/convolved so as smear or blur any such signatures beyond recognition. In the final analysis, any file that can be viewed by the eye, or heard, can be stolen. (Higher-level issues of recognizing images may be different. For example, the Pebble Beach Golf Course has _claimed_ that all photographic images of the famous "lone cypress" belong to it...and it tries to collect royalies from anyone who publishes a picture of it!) --Tim May -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^859433 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."
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