December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Anonymous phone calls... (fwd)
by lassie!jim%lassie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> One of the problems of using the pre-paid cards was brought to light > recently in the Olympic incident of Harding/Kerrigan. Harding's husband > bought one of the cards to make phone calls and they traced the calls back to > him via the card, since you have to present valid ID to purchase those. Wow, FUCKIN' hard to figure out. The little round things you have in your pocket are called coins. If you pick up a phone an ask the operator to call Fort Yukon alaska she will ask you to put some of those round things in the phone. Believe it or not, she will now when the phone has a nuff round things and let your call go thru for three minutes maybe. Be sure to wipe your fingure prints of the round things before depositing them in the phone (This is like doing a file wipe in PGP) -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson --

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Re: Keyserver service outage (fwd)
by lassie!jim%lassie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

/ | It is my understanding that folk outside the USA can legally run /PGP | versions from 2.0 to 2.3a, but cannot legally run Viacrypt /2.4 or the | RSAREF-based version 2.5, because they contain code /that cannot be | exported from the USA. Thus, it appears that the /keyserver will not | accept any legally created keys from outside /the USA. I think that this | is a bad thing. / / I think folks outside the US can legally run 2.4 or 2.5, as /there are no restrictions in their countries on using that /software. The difficulty is getting it outside of the US without /getting anyone in trouble. I think if cryptography is illegal it does't mater a FUCK what version the program is. Insure against the inevetable by distributing to the DUMM FUCK CLUELESS COMPUTER USERS THAT ARE NOT AS FUCKIN' COOL AS YOU ARE. Power to the people/power in the people -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson --

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Re: The Value of Money (fwd)
by lassie!jim%lassie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

in 1875 you could get a colt .45 for a $20 gold piece. you still can. I am sort of confused by all these folks talking about precious metals as if they still have something directly to do with currency. I thought they hadn't for some decades. They have'nt, but some people are totally clueless as to some things. That why they stay up all night and stare at their computer screens (a kind of perverse sexual pleasure). I believe Nixon took us of the gold standard in '73. People go to Economics school for 6 years just to get paid $ 60k a year to be wrong with their economic conclussions. By the way in the state of Arizona there is still a law on the books that allow someone completing a full stay in prison to recieve a good horse, $20 gold piece, pistol, rifle and a sadle when released from prison. That is why the state kicks you out one day early, even on a day for day sentance. I know people that have attempted to sue to get their horse etc. but lost. -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson --

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DefenseServices (fwd)
by lassie!jim%lassie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Miller says: > Section #120.9 of the ITAR defines "Defense Service" as: > > (1) The furnishing of assistance (including training) to foreign > persons, whether in the United States or abroad in the design, > development, engineering, manufacture, production, assembly, testing, > repair, maintenance, modification, operation, demilitarization, > destruction, processing, or use of defense articles; or > (2) The furnishing to foreign persons of any technical data > controlled under this subchapter (see #120.10), whether in the United > States or abroad. This is sick. According to this, I cannot teach foreigners about cryptography in the U.S. -- even about the open literature. This is a grotesque denial of my first amendment rights. They just FUCKED OFF a big chunk of your second amendment today but I bet you don't even know about it. Do not worry, when they ban your crypto program they will let you buy another one. What FUCKIN' RIGHTS, I DON'T SEE NO STINKIN' RIGHTS!!!!!! Duh what's a PGP and an FTP? Uh Uh Uh fire's cool! -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson --

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Re: EFF Summary of May 3 1994 Clipper and Digital Telephony Hearings (fwd)
by lassie!jim%lassie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

FORWARDED MAIL ------- From: netcomsv.netcom.com!access.digex.net!pcw (Peter Wayner) Date: 05 May 94 Originally To: toad.com!cypherpunks, central.cis.upenn.edu!farber Dr. Farber suggested that at >the very least Congress weld into law a guarantee that Clipper remain >voluntary, that the Judiciary be an escrow holder. He cautioned, in the >words of Benjamin Franklin, "They that can give up essential liberty to >obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" When are you people going to wake up (NEVER as long as you are not in the real world). The congress and house may legislate what ever they want. Your best insurance against the clipper chip is people having good back-door less freeware cryptography programs that educates them on why Clipper is a bum deal. Screw all the judiciary crap. If Mr and Mrs computer user doesn't have access to it they never will. They DO NOT have a FUCKING CLUE as to what a BBS and FTP or AN ESCROWED KEY account is. Much less being a COMPUTER ILLUMINATTI like you are. The power is with the public. -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson --

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Re: Lobbying/Politics/etc. (fwd)
by lassie!jim%lassie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

FORWARDED MAIL ------- From: netcomsv.netcom.com!anchor.ho.att.com!wcs (bill.stewart(a)pleasantonca.ncr.com +1-510-484-6204) Date: 05 May 94 Originally To: meceng.coe.neu.edu!deeb > I suspect serious problems implenmenting a law that criminalizes crypto It wouldn't be that hard to get rid of lots of it, as long as they made exceptions to let the big corporate customers stay happy (e.g. banks). The key would be using the civil forfeiture abuse to let them confiscate computers that *appear* to be using illegal crypto; you can hire a lawyer to help you get your box back if they suspect it's got UnAmerican Software. Your goverment crypto license will let you use Clipper if you obey the rules; just think of it as your driver's license on the information superhighway.... The Feds could enforce the 55mph speed limits better if they used confiscation as well. 1) Any Illegal crypto programs could be removed from Internet in a matter of hours. 2) Any Illegal crypto message sent via Internet could be analyzed as illegal and not delivered. 3) Anybody sending such messages would face fines or jail senteces. 4) Any government branch that took your computer could keep it for no reason (except we are investigating it) for a long time, practicly until your trail and then maybe forfit it. 5) Users of Illegal crypto could be subject to other legal survailance. (telephone, movements, dosscia etc.) 6) In this state even if Illegal crypto was not a Felony you would probly receive probation on first offense, 6 months in county jail on second offense and 1 year on third and subsequent offenses. I have done 11 months in county jail and found it racialy enlightning When everyone that wants a free copy of good private key crypto systems has it then the government is hard pressed to outlaw it. FUCKING ASSHOLES ARE TOO STUPID TO USE FTP. Next time you talk to a cop ask him "What are you going to do when you are ordered to take guns away from law abiding citizens?" -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson --

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Re: Bunch of Clueless Idiots (fwd)
by lassie!jim%lassie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Good riddance. Another clueless twit storms off in anger. AH your fuckin' mother is a clueless twitt!! >As it happens, I made my comments about the assault weapon ban on >talk.politics.guns," reporting the 216-214 vote within 3 minutes of >ts happening (I watched the debate live on C-SPAN). As the owner of >so-called assault weapons, lacking any paperwork to "prove" I >bought them, I'm possibly going to face prosecution. Yes, I'm >angry. Yes, I consider the 216 who voted to make me a criminal >pieces of shit. And well you should be, it infringes on your rights > But I don't vent my anger by shitting on 700 other people, as you >just did. You lost it, dude, and now you're gonna pay the price. >Good riddance. I have'nt gone anywhere yet > Strong crypto will not happen if jerks like Nabalandian, who I've >never seen contribue a shred of content to this list, foam at the I just did Yeh obviosly all crypto is week, let's write a new program to replace the new crypto program we write next week. Fuck everybody Knows only cool people on Internet deserve crypto. Everybody else is CLUELESS oh omnipotent one. > --Tim May, fed up with his own clueless posts -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson --

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Re: Bunch of Clueless Idiots (fwd)
by lassie!jim%lassie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

FORWARDED MAIL ------- From: netcomsv.netcom.com!access.digex.net!unicorn (Black Unicorn) Date: 06 May 94 Originally To: toad.com!cypherpunks, netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie -> I see nobody mentioned the infringment of the second amendment by the assault weapons ban. [Dribble and CAPS deleted] YOU PEOPLE ARE FOOLS AND HAVE TO MUCH SELF IMPORTANCE IN YOUR SMALL LITTLE HEADS, NOTHING EXISTS OF OF INTERNET! WRONG THE REAL WORLD DOES!!! BY NOT DISTRIBUTING TO THE MASSES YOU WILL LOSE (oh you can ftp to toilet.flush /urinal/cookies/). WHEN THEY TAKE YOUR PRESIOS CRYPTO AWAY, THEY WILL TAKE AWAY YOUR FIRST AMMENDMENT RIGHTS. (and it serves you right). FUCK IT NEVER MIND <- I'll beat Perry to it. Interesting, but not about crypto, or the politics of crypto. Take it to alt.flame. -uni- (Darkidiot) Duh, how many takey coins will you give me if I do. You care less about the politics of the first amendment or the effects crypto has on it. The goal should be distribution to the masses of a workable crypto program, shit you could even charge them play money. IF 500 people have good crypto it's easy to legislate against that. IF 500,000 people have good crypto it's hard to legislate against that. If 5,000,000 people have good crypto it is impossible to legislate against that. Talk all you want about digital money and hearings, keyservers and politics but by the people with out the clue (non-internet, non-ftp) having access to the software then you have streangth. Without this you will flounder and your precious crypto-clic will be broken up by the government. -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson --

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Re: The Value of Money (fwd)
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-> Oh you must be investing in the junk bond market. You know that there is over $10,000,000,000 's in the US bond market. Oh, of course you did. You are one of those Internet people that only exists on the net. By the way what type of indicators could I use on a global fund to maximize profit and reduce risk. You computer hackers know everyting, do'nt you? Or do you just play with play money? :{)} -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson -- <- It's people like this that make me seriously rethink my anti-gun regulation stance. -uni- (Dark)

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Re: Bunch of Clueless Idiots (fwd)
by lassie!jim%lassie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Excuse me. Please go to talk.raving.guns or >gun-flamers(a)whitehouse.gov. (Or don't leave your terminal on like >that.) This is the cypherpunks mailing list, not the gun-flamers >list, though many of us believe strongly in the second amendment >and/or like metal equipment that makes loud noises and has superior >penetration ability. This ain't the place for it. Is it me or is my gramatical skills that lacking? What I meant to say is that by mass distribution of crypto to the computer systems of users that are not shall we say FTP,PGP,INTERNET literate that we make it harder for the government to abrigate the first amendment right,as in freedom of press visa vie the enactment of a standard that alows the government to snoop on your doings. I relize I may have gone overboard with the caps and carlin words but I see (to me) that people are missing the opertunity to get the drop on the government and they are the people that should be at the forfront (anonymous) of any such action. Sorry for the outburst -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson --

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