December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Clipper: Denning v Barlow Debate
by rarachel＠prism.poly.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> K00L, RayDewd! Like, I'm glad dewdz like you can , like, _follow_ this > stuff. Maybe you can translate it into ordinary prose for old farts > like me, who favore multi-sentence paragraphs and even reasonably > thorough explications of ideas that don't fit into a single line of > repartee! Not quite as you think. You see, only the posts with (6) in front of them were visible to those in the 6th row. :-) The AOL Time Odeon auditorium is broken up into the stage (everyone sees what gets posted from there, but only those on the stage can send messages to the stage.) >From there on everyone is assigned a row. In my case it was the 6th row. There were 85 people listening to the confrence, probably also generating as much noise as the folks in my row.. However neither Denning nor Barlow can see the conversations in row 6. Neither can the folks in row 50, or 95, or 69 or 666 see what's talked in row six unless they move to row six. :-) Weird, but true. AOL does provide the ability to send questions and comments to those in power on the stage. I sent quite a few flamatory messages down Dennings way of course, however, no comment/question of mine made it. :-) Ah, censorship at its best... (My questions were in the lines of, Dr. Denning, how can someone of your intelligence possibly support the idea of giving full control of everyone's privacy over to the government we all know to be quite corrupt, and the old, why should we pay $10Billion in taxes a year to help the feds catch 10 or so cases a year via wire tapping...) > No insult to Arsen Ray is meant, and there may even be some nuggets in > there I missed. But it sure does reinforce my hatred for "IRC" and > similar fora for the attention-challenged. From what I could see > scrolling by from Ms. Denning, she wasn't getting into the "dewd > repartee" either, showing that we have at least one thing in common. She didn't see any of it, except for the flame questions I sent, and quite possibly a huge ammount of others in the audience. THere were 85 or so folks there... > Repartee has its place, and we all do it. But the format here is not > conducive to getting views exchanged and coherent thoughts developed. > What a waste. Ineed, too bad she couldn't see the comments. Too bad I wasn't on stage with JPB to grill her to a nice shade of dark brown toast.. > Me, I'm not as polite as Ms. Denning. About one minute into this I > woulda said "Fuck this shit, I'm outta here!" Well, I had my fun. :-) I'll post up a clean *official* transcript of this session when one becomes available...

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Re: Improvement of remailer security
by lcottrell＠popmail.ucsd.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Even the current pgp encryption scheme offered by some remailers >doesn't help much, once the incoming and outgoing messages are known: >just take the outgoing message from the remailer, encrypt it with the >remailer's public key, compare this to the incoming messages and you >know who sent this message (repeat if a chain of remailers was used). This is incorrect. The message is not encrypted with the public key. It is encrypted with an IDEA key which is encrypted with the remailers public key. Since the remailer does not forward that key (obviously), this attack is not possible. -------------------------------------------------- Lance Cottrell who does not speak for CASS/UCSD loki(a)nately.ucsd.edu PGP 2.3 key available by finger or server. "Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra. Suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night the ice weasels come." --Nietzsche

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Re: Improvement of remailer security
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

->\ I think the recent death-threat-to-Clinton desaster has made clear that the remailers we have are not very secure, mainly because incoming and outgoing mail seems to be monitored at many sites. <- Wait, the threat was posted with a remailer? I heard about the threat, not the remailer.... Details? -uni- (Dark)

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ID Chips...
by Jim choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

As I understand it there was a proposal to install such chips in children to prevent kidnapping and such last year in Congress (don't remember if it was House or Senate). I question the validity of the chips use, seems to me that tatooing the ear of the pet and placing this in a database would be much more efficient and a LOT less expensive. It would not require the vet to buy any special equipment or buy access to special databases. Also, what about small towns and rural communities w/ insufficient tax base to purchase the equipment for general use by the community? I can see it now, a black van w/ tinted windows rolls slowly down your street interrogating all the pet transponders determining who lives where and then comparing this w/ the official records of residence... When you take this in concert w/ real-time (or even small delay) financial record searches, the loss of freedom of speech, limitations on assembly, criminalization of crypto, etc. you are building a realy spooky scenario... I think I would prefer to have my cat or dog tatood instead of transpondered.

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Announce list?
by pat＠tstc.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What is the cypherpunks announce-list administrative address?

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MAIL: and re: coming police state
by rperkins-remailer＠nyx.cs.du.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > I myself am very new to the net, and also to crypto, so I have not > seen these papers before. Is ther an archive where I could find them? > Or could you possibly mail me a copy of your "Remailers: The Next > Generation" if it is You can find this document via gopher to chaos.bsu.edu; look in the "Anonymous Mail" directory for "Next Generation Remailers". If the remailer is set up properly you should be able to receive your ordinary mail as well. Make sure though, the remailers I ran on rosebud dropped mail because the incoming mail directory was in a different place (something like /usr/mail instead of /usr/spool/mail). But I liked this behavior so I left it ;) Karl Barrus <klbarrus(a)owlnet.rice.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLYCOBIOA7OpLWtYzAQHT/QP+MywPIgTPc+HX//IGANwDejJM5KrHS3Le a+nBTgEYBMiijjBwyuqsMyHpya4/jDWDAlnTEe9c0I5f3WIsa8ALNYoWFVysIN46 pfDO6lHevmkbxcgOEhOpfEUgOwayAtXpRLoIj2z00Splkz48bdGPWvvJ8AZzBrQt ukMEyfaP2ss= =C5Dc -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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ID Chips...
by freeman＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Choate says: > I question the validity of the chips use, seems to me that tatooing the ear > of the pet and placing this in a database would be much more efficient and a > LOT less expensive. I suspect the chip insertion uses vastly less expensive labor, and probably less expensive gadgetry, as well. There might also be a memory-size problem; I have a cat with an ID number tatooed in one ear -- about the only place where it is reasonably visible on casual inspection. The number is about nine years old, and has four digits. One or two more and there would be trouble reading it. (The cat is a survivor of feline leukemia research at U. C. Davis; the ID dates from that program. There's a program whereby surviving animals from the Davis labs are placed out.) -- Jay Freeman

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Re: The Coming Police State
by smb＠research.att.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

<tcmay> writes: >> prepared me for my later role as a hunted CyberFelon. ("Shockwave" is >> also credited by many to be one of the first mentions of "worms" in >> computers....though Brunner may've been talking to folks at Xerox >> PARC...wormly cross-fertilization.) and I digress wildly: Mid-November, 1988, after the great Morris Worm Stomp[1], a bunch of people who'd helped hunt the Worm were invited to the NCSC[2] to give talks at a "Post-Mortem", as it were. The MIT and Berkeley crowds had the most real technical data on it[3], though at least one of the government labs had done a fair job at decompiling it. The relevant part was that while the NCSC didn't have much useful info on the Worm itself[4] they had *categorized* it, and among their spiffy color slides, they had a "taxonomy" slide which surprised me by including Brunner's worm. The NCSC seems to officially credit Brunner as the first literature reference to the idea... Personally, I give the credit to David Gerrold, in ``When Harlie Was One''. Here's a netnews posting of mine that explains my reasoning.

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Getting started with crypto
by GERSTEIN＠SCSUD.CTSTATEU.EDU 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hey there all. I've been lurking here for a while, and I wanted to know if any of you can recomend some books for me to read so I can get started with crypto. Reason A) So that I can understand more of what you are saying. Reason B) Because I find the topic fascinating and want to learn more about it, as well as maybe (only possibly) write my own encrytption program (for personal use and the like) Any info would be greatly appreciated.... Adam Gerstein GERSTEIN(a)SCSU.CTSTATEU.EDU =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= OPPOSE CLIPPER-=-OPPOSE CLIPPER-=-OPPOSE CLIPPER-=-OPPOSE CLIPPER-=-OPPOSE CLIPP

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newuser
by student 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

send info please concerning cypherpunks. I am a student in Arthur Chandlers "Cyberspace" class.

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