December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Oh No! Nazis on the Nets
by an57322＠anon.penet.fi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Duncan Frissell wrote about an article in the London Daily Telegraph on German neo-nazis: [stuff deleted] >Chip belives that 1,500 of Germany's 42,000 Righ-wing extremists use the >Thule network which, apart from co-ordinating demonstrations, gives out >information on such matters as how to start your own newspapers or make a >bomb [Both equally illegal activities in the BRD -- Editor's note]. Yes, read that note again. Who cares about 42,000 right-wing extremists in a country in which the government is so fascist to make it illegal for someone to tell you how to start your own paper? And just in case you were wondering: Germany is considered a democratic country. Now you know where the US under Clinton is heading. -=T.A.Z. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help(a)anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin(a)anon.penet.fi.

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Re: Oh No! Nazis on the Nets
by freeman＠MasPar.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> What kind of state is this, where you can drive a car with 16 years, > marry with 18 years and drink your first beer with 21 years? It probably has to do with the perceived dangers of errors in judgement concerning the various activities, and I agree with your skepticism... The age for marriage should be set much higher. -- Jay Freeman ;-)

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Re: Oh No! Nazis on the Nets
by danisch＠ira.uka.de 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Yes, read that note again. Who cares about 42,000 right-wing extremists in > a country in which the government is so fascist to make it illegal for > someone to tell you how to start your own paper? And just in case you were > wondering: Germany is considered a democratic country. Now you know where > the US under Clinton is heading. > > -=T.A.Z. Of course, the right-wing is a problem. But a *lot* of people care. BTW: TAZ is the name of a german left-wing newspaper. This newspaper exists because everyone in Germany has the right to make a newspaper. Hadmut

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Clipper Brain Pick
by matthew＠wired.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Here at WIRED Online we are working on promoting awareness about the Clipper debate. Hence we are looking for suggestions regarding resources, online and otherwise, that we can either post or reference in our online spaces. Below is a list of the resources I have a list of already. If you have suggestions for things to be added to the list or things to be omitted from the list please send them to me <matthew(a)wired.com> Thanks. Matthew Nelson, aka Net.Serf LIST OF CLIPPER RESOURCES FOR WIRED ONLINE ========================================== newsgroups ---------- CuD (?), Bits-n-Bytes (?), EDUPAGE (?) comp.org.eff.talk alt.politics.datahighway alt.privacy.clipper alt.security.pgp alt.activism talk.politics.crypto comp.risks [RISKS] mailing lists ------------- cypherpunks (subscribe address is cypherpunks-request(a)toad.com) com-priv (subscribe address is com-priv-request(a)uu.psi.com) risks(a)csl.sri.com (subscribe address is risks-request(a)csl.sri.com) (fidonews(a)f23.n1.z1.fidonet.org [CuD] imp-interest(a)thumper.bellcore.com 2600(a)bongo.cc.utexas.edu sci-crypt(a)cs.utexas.edu eff-austin(a)tic.com thesegroups(a)tic.com cni-modernization(a)cni.org extropians(a)extropy.org cypherwonks(a)lists.eunet.fi fringeware(a)io.com natbbs(a)echonyc.com [NOMA] futurec(a)uafsysb.uark.edu [future-culture] IPCT-L(a)GUVM.CCF.GEORGETOWN.EDU surfpunk(a)versant.com [subscribe address is surfpunk-request(a)versant.com] FTP sites --------- soda.berkeley.edu/pub/cypherpunks/clipper ftp.eff.org/pub/EFF/Policy/Crypto/ ftp.eff.org/pub/EFF/Policy/Legislation/ ftp.eff.org/pub/Groups/outposts.faq (= a regularly updated list of "cyberliberties" organizations) cpsr.org /cpsr/privacy/crypto/clipper Gophers ------- eff.org cpsr.org [not working] gopher.eff.org/00/EFF/papers/Crypto/ gopher.eff.org/00/EFF/legislation/ gopher://gopher.well.com/ WWW sites --------- ftp://ftp.eff.org/pub/EFF/Policy/Crypto/ ftp://ftp.eff.org/pub/EFF/Policy/Legislation/ gopher://gopher.eff.org/00/EFF/papers/Crypto/ gopher://gopher.eff.org/00/EFF/legislation/ http://www.eff.org/pub/EFF/Policy/Crypto/ http://www.eff.org/alerts.html http://www.eff.org/pub/EFF/Policy/Legislation/ gopher://gopher.well.com/ file://ftp.eff.org/pub/Groups/outposts.faq (= a regularly updated list of "cyberliberties" organizations) http://www.acns.nwu.edu/surfpunk [surfpunk archive] conferences ----------- The WELL AOL (keyword "EFF") phone numbers ------------- Dept. of Justice (202) 616-2771 email addresses --------------- ???

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Re: Oh No! Nazis on the Nets
by danisch＠ira.uka.de 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> So, just to clear this up, if you wanted to start a newspaper today, > could you simply print out a few hundred copies of whatever you wanted > to say and go out and sell it (or give it away) without any > interaction with the government? (I don't know the answer for > Germany; I'm genuinely curious. I hope the answer is "yes".) Of course not without *any* interaction. You have to pay taxes if you earn money, and you are not allowed to do it anonymous. Everything must contain an address of someone responsible. In bigger papers you have an "impressum" in small papers and pamphlets you have a line like "responsible in the sense of press law: Joe Dalton" And of course you will get sued or accused if you write anything which violates law, but this depends on _what_ you are writing. But no one forbids to do produce a newspaper. Every school has a 'schoolpaper' (don't know how to translate well). Everyone who thinks he has to tell anything important prints anything on lots of paper at this University, in most cases political (often very left-wing) themes. Our 'Grundgesetz', the constitution (like "Bill of rights") says that there is no censorship. Everyone can tell his opinion in "Word, letter and image": Art. 5 (1) Jeder hat das Recht, seine Meinung in Wort, Schrift und Bild frei zu äußern und zu verbreiten und sich aus allgemein zugänglichen Quellen ungehindert zu unterrichten. Die Pressefreiheit und die Freiheit der Berichterstattung durch Rundfunk und Film werden gewährleistet. Eine Zensur findet nicht statt. (2) Diese Rechte finden ihre Schranken in den Vorschriften der allgemeinen Gesetze, den gesetzlichen Bestimmungen zum Schutze der Jugend und in dem Recht der persönlichen Ehre. (3) Kunst und Wissenschaft, Forschung und Lehre sind frei. Die Freiheit der Lehre entbindet nicht von der Treue zur Verfassung. Hadmut

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T.A.Z.
by peb＠PROCASE.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Can someone remind me where to pick up T.A.Z by Hakim Bey by ftp? I archived the information accidently and it is hard for me to access now... I recall trying to get it, but the node was down and I haven't tried again. Paul E. Baclace peb(a)procase.com peb(a)well.sf.ca.us

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Meeting Ramblings
by Robert A. Hayden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Just thought I'd take a few minutes to off some comments on the virtual meeting on 2/9. 1) Agenda There was a problem in that, while the topic of the hall was set, imeediately everyone launched into every other concern they had as well. This led to a total confusion that eventually splintered the participants. I think that next time, there should be a set agenda, with a time limit for each subject. For example 10:00 - 10:25 Issues of Copyright on Usenet 10:30 - 10:55 Remailers 11:00 - 11:25 Anonimity on the Net 11:30 - 11:55 DigiCash Thus, at 10:00, there would be a topic, at 10:25, the topic is wound down (either moving to another location or finishing) and people gear up for a topic change. That way, if I had no interest in copyright, I could wait until 10:30 to sign on. In the meantime, if people want to talk about something other than the main topic, they can amble off to their own room. (perhaps build some 'meeting rooms' off of the main hall, and people can go in there, set the topic of the room and talk about that, while the main hall has the main topic) 2) Speaking The idea of there being four people speaking at one time is good, but there was a problem of people getting a speaker position and refusing to yield, thus people never moved up the queue. This is bad. Perhaps auto-yields after 2 'says' (in case you munged the first) would help. Hmm, now that I think about it, I guess that's about all. I really think the meeting was a good idea, and I hope it happens again real soon. Just a little more organizing would have been more helpful. Thanks to all who did this :-) ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden(a)krypton.mankato.msus.edu \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> In the United States, they \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> first came for us in Colorado... - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLVqnNp3BsrEqkf9NAQFHVAP9En8qST6+IWDncrVuT1DJRHGiKrQlRTkx dPsZspkdyeRzTP7nQC4ga1EcFiEYICRC0ee1kh0QH6S019VsBhqDfpb6dnh/HzvM A9+tnU7vNNPXzMfboU5/jGvS8U8C2sFkw+0bGRMyTntVT4ZvSbenu3/7rxQcovXp 0ZEAWz+WOGs= =GlgI -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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MD5
by peb＠PROCASE.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I know this is an old question and has a simple answer, but I want to use MD5 and need to know if the algorithm is exporatble without any special permissions. I am assuming the answer is yes, but would like some reassurance... I'm using for message digesting, and it does *not* need to be crypto-secure. If you know of other algorithms that might be cheap and also have good bit scattering characteristics, please let me know. (As it is, MD5 runs at >10k lines per second for the files I'm scanning; I need to do many, many runs of it over smaller subsections, so the faster, the better.) Thanks in advance for help on this, Paul E. Baclace peb(a)procase.com peb(a)well.sf.ca.us

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beta level pgpmail.el available for ftp
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- My emacs lisp code which interfaces PGP with sendmail.el, and rmail.el (mail handleing packages in GNU Emacs) is now available for (anonymous) ftp. The URL are (I think) FTP::/ftp.markv.com/pub/pgpmail/pgpmail.el FTP::/ftp.markv.com/pub/pgpmail/pgpjm.el I concider the code to be beta level, so expect a bug or two. Read the first page of code for documentation. An undocumented function may also be of interest (but it is alpha level). If you call pgp-mail-add-hop while editing a mail message, it will add the correct gubbish to route the message through (another) CP remailer. As I did with this message. j' - -- O I am Jay Prime Positive jpp(a)markv.com 1250 bit fingerprint B06229 = B8 95 E0 AF 9A A2 CD A5 89 C9 F0 FE B4 3A 2C 3F 524 bit fingerprint 2A915D = 8A 7C B9 F2 D5 46 4D ED 66 23 F1 71 DE FF 51 48 Public keys via `finger jpp(a)markv.com', or mail to pgp-public-keys(a)pgp.mit.edu Your feedback is welcome directly or via my symbol JPP on hex(a)sea.east.sun.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQBXAgUBLVqsbNC3U5sdKpFdAQFxvwIMC09zdCWnDJkZOVhzG9l65iWHiADVwblq 4jm7gDt3Lq2rgjTrvp4n2EZQHsqbBhHGNRyzw50s21GFupVfZfaZPelK -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: host not found) (fwd)
by Grand Epopt Feotus 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

You're eqipped with a hundred billion nueron brain, that's wired and fired, and it's a reality generating device, but you've got too do it. Free youself ----Tim Leary---- To: cypherpunks(a)taod.com Subject: Re: Oh No! Nazis on the Nets From: Grand Epopt Feotus <68954(a)brahms.udel.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 17:31:50 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <9402102018.AA08946(a)deathstar.iaks.ira.uka.de> Hehe, well I can give my software to whomever I want too 8) Hmm, let's try to keep this from becoming the "This is Your Democracy Forum" and generating a "my system of govt is better than yours" cause that doesnt really accomplish much. And besides, we all know that no govt is goo govt 8) You're eqipped with a hundred billion nueron brain, that's wired and fired, and it's a reality generating device, but you've got too do it. Free youself ----Tim Leary----

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