December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

axe me
by Timothy Finin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Please remove me from cypherpunks. I can't handle the volume, it seems. Tim

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unsubscribe
by Robert Harder 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Please unsubscribe me from (to?) your mailing list Thank you. Rob

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Re: privacy and rights (short reply)
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Having worked in Liechtenstein banks, I can assure you numbered accounts exist.

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Useless anonymity
by jrk＠sys.uea.ac.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

We are accustomed to seeing useless messages of various sorts on this and other electronic forums. Messages that quote a long article only in order to add "Me too" at the end, messages of no interest to anyone but the individual they are directed to, content-free banter, ego-driven flame wars, and so on. They still happen -- inexperienced people are always joining the net -- but most people eventually learn to avoid making these faux pas. Anonymity brings a new class of useless message, of which the following from Black Unicorn <unicorn(a)net.digex.access> is a recent example. I quote it in its entirety: >Having worked in Liechtenstein banks, I can assure you numbered >accounts exist. "Black Unicorn" is an obvious pseudonym, and I'm assuming that it is not one with an established reputation. (For all I know, "Black Unicorn" might be as famous as the Legion of Doom, but for the sake of argument I'll assume that it isn't.) What is the use of an unsubstantiated assertion, from an unreputed[*] source, with no means of verification? Having read Black Unicorn's bald asertion, I am as ignorant as before of whether numbered accounts exist, in Liechtenstein or elsewhere. New ideas or arguments can be useful regardless of their source. Likewise pointers to places where evidence may be obtained. Assertions by reputable sources may be taken on trust (I place far more weight on Perry Metzger's comments about numbered accounts than the Black Unicorn's). The quoted message does none of these. It is wholly useless, a waste of its author's time, and of ours. [*] "unreputed": a word I just coined as an opposite to "reputable", meaning not "disreputable", i.e. having a bad reputation, but having no reputation at all. -- ____ Richard Kennaway __\_ / School of Information Systems Internet: jrk(a)sys.uea.ac.uk \ X/ University of East Anglia uucp: ...mcsun!ukc!uea-sys!jrk \/ Norwich NR4 7TJ, U.K.

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Re: Forwarded mail from S.Boxx
by peter honeyman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

lance has another epiphany. (grep for epiphany in the archives if you want more confirmation of the s. boxx identity.) and if you don't deny it, he will treat that as confirmation. i pointed out in private mail to him that this is mccarthyism. peter

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Re: Encryption: A Testimonial
by peter honeyman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Actually, you could fool a lot of people by creating a hidden disk > partition. Nobody would know there was anything hidden unless they did > a detailed sector-scan of the disk. Is there any good software for > doing this with modern operating systems? this is very easy in unix: put your secret stuff in a directory, then mount a file system on that directory. peter

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use cypherpunks-request@toad.com to unsubscribe
by VACCINIA＠UNCVX1.OIT.UNC.EDU 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Is there some reason that all these people are unsubscribing to the list? It's getting quite annoying. To anyone who wishes to unsubscibe, please do so to cypherpunks-request(a)toad.com, I do believe that's the correct format. I already know why your unsubscribing, you don't have to tell me either of the two reasons. Scott G. Morham !The First, Vaccinia(a)uncvx1.oit.unc.edu ! Second PGP Public Keys by Request ! and Third Levels ! of Information Storage and Retrieval !DNA, ! Biological Neural Nets, ! Cyberspace -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLOnGuj2paOMjHHAhAQFeegQAoLjOfj3QrpZrSadjNwCMGHKgvyWarqXM RsD3ZoOLKFZ3bIY52cD4ZlxKEe6a/XeRnnSfwBJiNRDw9N7hpMoiNDWUWOSJJ7bb mZsSLkjF3daGGjikRXdqJWjpPVSMoVgERjY/76+lMMu/PKkzmxPa8vIn5vikIU9q 8BxidRWlcGs= =8WA2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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CYPHERPUNK CRIMINAL t-shirts
by Stanton McCandlish 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Several people apparently missed the original post and have no idea what t-shirt is being referred to. Here it is again. So far I've gotten about 30 "I want one" responses. I'm not sure if the customization is doable, especially the digital signature, but we'll see. _______ begin fwd ______________ > L. Detweiler has a rather hefty essay in the latest Risks on the > subject of `pseudospoofing', social parasites, "a criminal group > called the CryptoAnarchists" (with members such as "Eric May" and > "T.C. Hughes"), and such matters. I will not forward it to the > list, unh unh, no way. Reminds me of one of my proudest moments: L.D. (who this time claimed their first name was Linda; what a pseudospoofer!) in a fit of rage labelled me a "CYPHERPUNK CRIMINAL", caps L.D.'s. I'm thinking of having one of those little desk signs made, saying "Anton Mechanism, Cypherpunk Criminal" just for kicks. Or maybe a t-shirt. Hell I could market these, personalized: Stanton McCandlish, mech(a)eff.org [pgp sig here] CCCC Y Y PPPP H H EEEEE RRRR PPPP U U N N K K C Y Y P P H H E R R P P U U NN N K K C Y PPPP HHHHHH EEEEE RRRR PPPP U U N N N KKK C Y P H H E R R P U U N N N K K CCCC Y P H H EEEEE R RR P UUU N NN K K CCCC RRRR IIIII M M IIIII N N A L C R R I MM MM I NN N A A L C RRRR I M MM M I N N N A A L C R R I M M I N N N AAAAA L CCCC R RR IIIII M M IIIII N NN A A LLLLL Anyone buying? _____________ end fwd __________________ They'd be black w/white lettering of course, so they glow mightily under the black light. What I'm looking to do is *maybe* make these shirts, mostly in XL, but some XXL's also since people ask for them, and in a good weight of cotton, then sell them at a not unreasonable profit. Probably $10 or $15 + p/h. This will not be done immediately, I'm still trying to figure out how much it would cost to do this, especially if they are customized. Probably will make a non-custom version, and if possible a custom one that would cost a little more. Time will tell, but I can't guarantee anything yet, since many of the details are up in the air, and I'll have to see whether or not I can afford the initial outlay (I'm planning to move by Jan., so this proj might get backburnered until Feb. or something. If you are in, just send a note, and I'll add you to the list (probably w/o replying) of people that want one. Please specify if you would NOT be interested if it's not customized, as that's significant. Now back to the regularly scheduled flames, code haggling and NSA bashing. -- Stanton McCandlish mech(a)eff.org 1:109/1103 EFF Online Activist & SysOp O P E N P L A T F O R M C R Y P T O P O L I C Y O N L I N E R I G H T S N E T W O R K I N G V I R T U A L C U L T U R E I N F O : M E M B E R S H I P @ E F F . O R G -- Stanton McCandlish mech(a)eff.org 1:109/1103 EFF Online Activist & SysOp O P E N P L A T F O R M C R Y P T O P O L I C Y O N L I N E R I G H T S N E T W O R K I N G V I R T U A L C U L T U R E I N F O : M E M B E R S H I P @ E F F . O R G

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Re: CryptoCards
by Carl Ellison 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

One reader writes: >please send your contacts since I need to do price comparisons. Thanks. OK -- it's enough work typing that I'm sending this to the whole list. These are about a year old so they might have changed. Racal-Guardata 480 Spring Park Place - Suite 900 Herndon VA 22070 TEL 703-471-0892 FAX 703-437-9333 (my contact: Marc Paulina) Cylink 310 No. Mary Ave Sunnyvale CA 94086 TEL 408-735-5885 FAX 408-735-6645 (my contact: John C. Kennedy; jk(a)cylink.com) Digital Pathways 221 West Grand Avenue Montvale NJ 07645-2019 TEL 201-391-5100 FAX 201-391-9138 Security Dynamics One Alewife Center Cambridge MA 02140-2312 TEL 617-547-7820 FAX 617-354-8836 (my contact: Susan Symanski) Enigma Logic 2151 Salvio, Suite 301 Concord CA 94520 TEL 510-827-5707 FAX 510-827-2593 - <<Disclaimer: All opinions expressed are my own, of course.>> - Carl Ellison cme(a)sw.stratus.com - Stratus Computer Inc. M3-2-BKW TEL: (508)460-2783 - 55 Fairbanks Boulevard ; Marlborough MA 01752-1298 FAX: (508)624-7488

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Re: All our eggs in one basket?
by hfinney＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Some of Jim's points can be addressed with existing protocols. When the bank sends you cash which you have withdrawn they would want to send it in such a way that they get a return receipt from you. That way they can prove you have received it. Schneier's book describes such a "digital certified mail" protocol in section 6.3 of his book, but it looks like it uses a lot of data. More concise implementations may exist. Other forms of cheating could be imagined. I could send cash to a company, and they could refuse to send me goods, but claim that they had done so. Or I could receive goods from a company, but claim that they never arrived. These could also be addressed with certified mail, either paper or digital, depending on whether the goods are physical or electronic. In an online system, the bank could refuse to accept a cash deposit, even though it was valid cash, claiming that it had already been deposited. To prevent this, the bank would have to record who made each deposit in the past and stand ready to reveal this information. A merchant could collude with the bank to provide forged deposit records to help with this scam. I don't see how to solve this one, but if it were done on a large scale people might become suspicious about the excess of apparent double-spending via a small number of merchants. The bank's reputation would suffer, as long as people found out about it. Perhaps customers should demand that banks publish statistics about (apparent) double-spending in order to detect this scam. Hal Finney hfinney(a)shell.portal.com

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