December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Authorized cash?
by hfinney＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I recall a few months ago there was some discussion of having David Chaum come out and work with some cypherpunks to get them started on an implementation of digital cash. Did anything ever come of that? Chaum has a patent, I've heard, on the "blinding" that is an important part of at least the simpler cash proposals. If he were willing to authorize a cypherpunks cash system it would remove one legal hurdle to its implementation. Does anyone know whether he might be willing to do this? Hal

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No Subject
by hazman＠cco.caltech.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Data Fellows announces F-Secure SSH Tunnel&Terminal
by Tom Helenius 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello Petri and others, I think you haven't fallen off the tracks. We have now (very soon) SSH 1.1 clients. Instead of SSH 1.1 we call the product SSH Tunnel&Terminal. This way we want to emphasize that SSH is a very nice tool for remote and mobile workers. Most of the details about SSH 1.1 you can find in the press release. Regards, Tom At 01:44 AM 7/25/97 -0700, Petri Laakkonen wrote: >Hi guys, > >I'm afraid of that US sales has fallen off the tracks. We need to catch up >ASAP. > > >At 07:58 PM 7/24/97 +0200, Tom Helenius wrote: >>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >>23 July, 1997 >> >>Data Fellows announces F-Secure SSH Tunnel&Terminal >> >What's this product all in all ? Has this now replaced F-Secure SSH or is >this one additional derivative of SSH a'la ISP SSH ? SSH 1.1 - Easy to use product for remote/mobile workers. It can do all the same that SSH 1.0 does and it is more optimised for telecommuting. >Are the features same as for the most recent SSH clients/servers ? HOw does >this product differ from SSH ? > >Any data sheets ? Probably we should update SSH 1.0 sheets. >Is the software > >a) shipping >b) downloadable from the web ? Should be in a couple of weeks. >>The remote worker can use e-mail, Internet browser, database tools and all >>the usual applications at home, on the road or in any place with Internet >>access. The big difference, though invisible to the remote worker, is that >>all data communication between the server in the office and the remote user >>is flowing through an encrypted tunnel. >> >Does this configure itself automatically for most popular office apps as >discussed some time earlier, or do admins still need to do the installation >manually for each computer or count on users doing this themselves ? You still need some knowledge to make the initial configuration. After that it is very easy. I don't know about the automatic deployment tool. >>F-Secure SSH Tunnel&Terminal provides strong encryption of data and thus >>sets a new standard for secure remote working. Existing solutions like >>Cisco Systems L2F, IETF L2TP and firewalls dont provide strong encryption >>and authentication, which makes these solutions insecure against >>eavesdropping and IP spoofing attacks. In addition to encrypted tunnels, >>F-Secure Tunnel&Terminal also provides secure terminal connections to UNIX >>hosts and secures UNIX X11 applications. >> >What would be F-Secure Tunnel's added value over MS pptp ? MS PPTP does not provide strong crypto. With the SSH tunnels we are almost directly competing against PPTP. Of course PPTP is not available for win3.x and Mac. I'm preparing some info about PPTP, at least for our partners. The problem is I'm not sure what to say and how. >>The automatic deployment tool enables straightforward company-wide >>installation and updates. >> >Interesting. Tell us more about this ? This is very interesting. I have to admit I don't know what this really means. Let's find out on Monday. >> >> >>F-Secure SSH Tunnel&Terminal is available for win3.1, win95, winNT and UNIX >>operating systems worldwide in the end of July, 1997. >> >How about our friends from Cupertino (e.g. Apple) ? This seems to be an error. We are doing the Mac also. Sorry. >Thanks for the additional info in advance, > >Petri > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >Petri.Laakkonen(a)DataFellows.com, World Wide Web: http://www.DataFellows.com > >Data Fellows U.S headquarters has moved ! Our new contacts as of March >24th, 1997 are: > >Data Fellows >675 N. First Street, Suite 605 >San Jose, CA 95112 >phone (408) 938-6700, fax (408) 938-6701 > >********************************************************************* >* F-Secure * >* Award-winning Security for Peace of Mind * >* from the Desktop to the Internet * >* * >* http://www.DataFellows.com/ * >******************************************************************** > -- Tom.Helenius(a)DataFellows.com, World-Wide Web http://www.DataFellows.com

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Enough is enough
by jazz＠hal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Look, there's one advantage to not banning LD from the list; he generally posts under his own or his well-known anonymous names, which makes it easier to filter them. Recently, though, either he or someone else has started reforwarding his rants through a remailer, which I cannot filter on (unless I go to content filtering, which I'd prefer to avoid). If someone other than LD is forwarding his rantograms via remailers, Please Cease And Desist. If it's Detweiller himself, well, he's obviously not going to listen to me. (Of course, I haven't been accused of being a tentacle; I must not be important enough.) Jason

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Re: Spreading Technology (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: Spreading Technology > From: shadow(a)krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) > Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 00:23:37 PST > >>What did Einstein say? "God does not play dice with the Universe"? > > This comment was made in reference to the Uncertainty Principle and > > Einstein's perception of the indeterminancy of quantum mechanics. He > > supposedly said it so many times that Neils Bohr, who was more > > philosophically inclined to accept the contradictions in modern physics > > than Einstein, once became so exasperated that he admonished Einstein to > > "stop telling God what to do!" > > And after the experiments that pretty much killed the "hidden > variables" interpretation, one physicist reportedly commented "Not only > does God play dice, he sometimes throws the dice where they can't be > seen." Bohr's objection was one of religion, not reality. His objection was one of familiarity breeding contempt of God. It was Stephen Hawking who made the quip about not seeing the dice. The SU(5) theory was arrived at by political contrivance in 1927 when the Solvay Conference was called to resolve the various theories that happened to be flying fast and furious at the time, instigated by DeBroglie. Because several of these theories were completely in agreement with experiment it was becoming impossible to make progress because of all the possibilities. The question asked was "what theory shows the most promise for continued research and acceptance of requests for operating capital." The SU(5) was arrived at by majority vote and not experimental verification. Einstein's objection to the Uncertainty Principle was the same as David Bohm's. In fact most physicists at the time were opposed to it, the famous Schroedinger Cat was meant to be an objection to the theory and in particular to show how unrealistic it was. If you happen to be willing to do away with the standard SU(5) theory then the Uncertainty Principle goes away, a good example is to look at David Bohms 'many worlds' theory as it has no uncertainty principle involved. Bohm was black-balled by the conventional physics community because he would not accept the SU(5) even in principle. It has only been in the last 15 years or so that serious review of Bohm's work has taken place. Alfven and others have used it and other approaches to bring many of the basic tenets of the SU(5) and the Big Bang into question. Interesting aspect is even his most strident opponents admitted their objection to his theories were based on emotion and mental attitudes and not on any failure regarding experimental verification. He was and is considered one of the greatest modern physicists, on a par with Einstein and et ali. You might check out David Bohm's last book before he died, The Undivided Universe: An ontological interpretation of quantum theory D.Bohm, B.J. Hiley ISBN 0-415-06588-7 ____________________________________________________________________ | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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FTP site for t-shirt design
by Christian Void 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I forgot to put this in the last post... Our t-shirt design, as well as any other designs people come up will be available at netcom.com: ~pub/cvoid/cypherpunks. All files should be in *.gif format. Christian Void /T71 | "I don't like it, and I'm sorry I | V/M/Research, Inc. cvoid(a)netcom.com | ever had anything to do with it." | P.O. Box 170213 Tel. 1+415-807-5491 | -Erwin Schrodinger (1887-1961) | SF, CA 94117-0213 * PGP v2.3a Public Key Available Via Finger *

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RE: PGP 2.6.1 release from MIT
by Claborne, Chris 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- > From: Philip Zimmermann <prz(a)acm.org> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > To: All PGP users > Date: 2 Sep 94 > Re: PGP 2.6.1 release > > This new version has a lot of bug fixes over version 2.6. I hope this is > the final release of this family of PGP source code. We've been working > on an entirely new version of PGP, rewritten from scratch, which is much > cleaner and faster, and better suited for the future enhancements we have > planned. All PGP development efforts will be redirected toward this > new code base, after this 2.6.1 release. Anyone have an idea of what these "enhancements" will be? New data formats? 2 -- C -- ... __o .. -\<, chris.claborne(a)sandiegoca.ncr.com ...(*)/(*). CI$: 76340.2422 PGP Pub Key fingerprint = A8 FA 55 92 23 20 72 69 52 AB 64 CC C7 D9 4F CA Avail on Pub Key server.

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T-Shirt Update
by Christian Void 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Okay. I have compiled a list of people interested in the shirt...If you are not on the list, and are interested, mail me. As for a design, we have a design we are working with, available (a rough draft) via anon ftp. If you have a better idea, or would like to take a crack at designing it, let me know and we can put these designs up as well. A sort of "vote for the best design". Also, Jef Poskanzer (jef(a)netcom.com) has given us permission to use his DOT crypto warning sign, if someone would like to incorporate that into thier idea. We will be finishing up our design over the next week, and working cost, sizes, etc. I'll keep you posted. Christian Void /T71 | "I don't like it, and I'm sorry I | V/M/Research, Inc. cvoid(a)netcom.com | ever had anything to do with it." | P.O. Box 170213 Tel. 1+415-807-5491 | -Erwin Schrodinger (1887-1961) | SF, CA 94117-0213 * PGP v2.3a Public Key Available Via Finger *

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Momma's boy
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

<ahem> ...."Lawrence?" From: jim(a)rand.org (Jim Gillogly) Newsgroups: talk.politics.crypto,alt.privacy,alt.privacy.anon-server,news.admin.policy,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.admin.policy,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: CRYPTOANARCHIST INFILTRATION ALERT Date: 5 Dec 1993 21:58:36 GMT Organization: Banzai Institute Message-ID: <2dtlic$naj(a)rand.org> References: <dasherCHH3Ey.J1F(a)netcom.com> <tcmayCHH6MA.Mzw(a)netcom.com> <Dec04.105319.36526(a)yuma.acns.colostate.edu> In article <Dec04.105319.36526(a)yuma.acns.colostate.edu>, L. Detweiler <ld231782(a)casco.lance.colostate.edu> wrote: >oh, BTW Mr. May, when did you decide my first name was Larry and not Lance? >You called me Lance for 10 months or so on the cypherpunks list. Given that somebody using your account in '91 posted an article to sci.crypt about factoring under the name "Lawrence Detweiler", I suppose that either Larry or Lance might be a reasonable guess... if perhaps overly familiar. What nickname do you prefer, if any? Does this make me a pseudopod of the ubiquitous anonymous organism? Will Suicide Squid come out of retirement to counter this new evil? Is L. Detweiler the Colo State equivalent of C-MU's Harry Q. Bovick? The world wonders... -- Jim Gillogly Hevensday, 15 Foreyule S.R. 1993, 21:58

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VOTE: Proposition desist: no
by fnerd＠smds.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Shut Detweiler out of the cpunx list? no. I have no problem skipping his posts; presently I'm not worried about the bandwidth through the modem into /dev/null. He posts interesting things once in a while (most recently, that piece by Kapor about libertarians vs. "decentralists.") I wouldn't mind the creation of a special "Detweiler free" filtered version of the list, as long as it was just a postprocessor on the true list. -fnerd quote me -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a aKxB8nktcBAeQHabQP/d7yhWgpGZBIoIqII8cY9nG55HYHgvtoxiQCVAgUBLMs3K ui6XaCZmKH68fOWYYySKAzPkXyfYKnOlzsIjp2toust1Q5A3/n54PBKrUDN9tHVz 3Ch466q9EKUuDulTU6OLsilzmRvQJn0EJhzd4pht6hanC0R3seYNhUYhoJViCcCG sRjLQs4iVVM= =9wqs -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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