December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Kid Scan (tm)
by Jim choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > > "Fortress": very stupid movie about a high-tech megaprison in the > future. Prisoners are implanted with "intestinators" that have some > local intelligence as well as communications abilities. The > intestinators can of course be made to cause the prisoners to blow up. > > > -- > Mike McNally : m5(a)tivoli.com : Day Laborer : Tivoli Systems : Austin, TX > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Remember that all experimentation does not produce extrapolated results. > - k. pisichko > Thanks, I feel a little less ignorant now, I thought it was something real... Merry Christmas

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Eavedropping devices
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I appreciate the replies I received on "how to cheaply detect eavesdropping devices," but I'm afraid that I do not have access to the types of equipment which were mentioned (IR glasses, etc). Any further suggestions? PS - Has anyone else been watching the lunatic ravings of one l.detweiler on comp.org.eff.talk? This guy is a fucking fruitcake!

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Hut six
by norm＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Hut Six" by Welchman seems to be out of print. The book describes early Bletchley Park work on the German Enigma cypher system. Does anyone know where to get a copy?

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It had to happen...
by Mike Ingle 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Today I got an interesting message. It seems that someone was doing some hardcore hacking of machines at a university campus. The person used one of these accounts to send me a message requesting a copy of Secure Drive. This message and my response were wiretapped by the people investigating the hacking. They traced the hacker and arrested him. His computer was encrypted with Secure Drive. The IS manager involved sent me a message asking me how to break Secure Drive, because they can't prosecute the person without the data, and the suspect has of course forgotten the encryption passphrase. So far I don't have many details other than these. I hope to find out more. I'd like to talk to the investigator and to the suspect. I sent the IS manager a copy of Secure Drive and told him how it works, but that's about all I can do. --- Mike

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Re: eavesdropping detection
by George A. Gleason 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Re phone taps: forget it. Anything above amateur level tapping is done via the central office, where it is simply impossible to detect. Any device which claims to detect wiretaps is fraudulent. I'm speaking from over ten years' experience in telecom, extensive relevant background, etc. Room surveillance: you have to be *really* up to something to be targeted for this. Unlikely at best; but he earlier post about spec analysers is useful & relevant here. Generally: bear in mind that surveillance is incredibly labor intensive at any level beyond the "vaccuum-cleaner approach" using keyword scans on trunks. Too labor intensive to be conducted unless there is serious justification for the cost of the person-hours involved. -gg

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Re: It had to happen...
by wcs＠anchor.ho.att.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The cracker who's using Secure Drive could be an interesting case. Unfortunately, assuming that a cracker at a university is probably a student, he may not hve very good legal representation, and I'd hate to see bad precedent on "can you be forced to reveal your key" set because someone is not only a tresspasser but a stupid one as well. Do you know if the wiretapping was being done by police, or if it was just the university staff with ethernet sniffers? I was interested by your comment that they can't prosecute the person without the data; while it could certainly be helpful to have, one would hope they had a reasonably solid case *before* they went and arrested him..... Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart NCR Corp, 6870 Koll Center Parkway, Pleasanton CA, 94566 # Voice/Beeper 510-224-7043, Phone 510-484-6204 # email bill.stewart(a)pleasantonca.ncr.com billstewart(a)attmail.com

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The Cypherpunk Equation
by L. Detweiler 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Pseudospoofing == Privacy

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Re: It had to happen... (fwd)
by Harry Shapiro 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

a conscious being, Jim choate wrote: > Assuming the arrest warrant was good not revealing the key to a duly > authorized court representative would be illegal (ie interfereing with a > police investigation). If the courts serve a warrant for your arrest and the > confiscation of data on your hard drive (and you refuse to turn the data over > even after talking w/ an attorney) is specificaly mentioned you are opening > yourself up for another whole world of legal hurt. I would like to hear what Duncan has to say, but... 1) He did give them the data, they just can't read it. (not his problem). LIke if I wrote some notes in French, I don't think I woudl be required to translate them. 2) Then their is the issue of 5th Admendment issues... /hawk

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it had to happen......
by Brian D Williams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Bill Stewart writes; >Assuming the arrest warrant was good not revealing the key to a >duly authorized court representative would be illegal (ie >interfereing with a police investigation). If the courts serve a >warrant for your arrest and the confiscation of data on your hard >drive (and you refuse to turn the data over even after talking w/ >an attorney) is specificaly mentioned you are opening >yourself up for another whole world of legal hurt. >A citizen would have the legal right to refuse prior to talking w/ >an attorney but not after, at that point it becomes witholding >evidence. >If the process is legal there should be no reason a citizen can >refuse to turn over his private keys (I don't believe >self-incrimination holds here). Well no doubt they have his True_Name now. I'm curious as to why they are so adamant about trying to break the encryption? I get the impression they don't have much of a case. Don't forget kids to save those sniffer tracings, they could earn you valuable prizes! I won't even go into how dumb it is to try accessing a cracked system through a single cutout, kids don't try this at home ;) Brian Williams Extropian Cypherpatriot smarter than your average bear. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLRn01tCcBnAsu2t1AQFSYwQAoQiqSmUmnl1CLOr94DF3V+4i274mGl+b kKyX8VU1FFFfY6jD8LC2EeMITFX0vJkuA29WxYEomUEa1WRlqt1z+wOahgpPaPzT ipyY0JF6xTOMSmTBnvsfEZWsJUHC4qTiNbQaONg5ooMic75bcnhWXTENfBFOlB50 E+f9M4GfPV0= =uGUA -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Adolf the Nazi
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Isn't Detweiler a German name? Herr Adolf Detweiler.

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