December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Message to the net (fwd)
by Jeremy R. Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This is a message a friend of mine wanted me to post on the 'Net. I figured the Cypherpunk list would be one of the best places to start. Jeremy Smith ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 20 Sep 93 02:02:13 EDT From: Ole Grunbaum, 75320,672 To: Jeremy Smith, >INTERNET:jersmit@eis.calstate.edu Date: , 22:47 Subject: I am a Danish journalist, stationed in the US, writing for a daily newspaper in Copenhagen, mostly about technology, but also gennerally about culture. I am particularly interested in the political and ethical questions that computers and networks pose, pa rticularly in regards to government and large corporations. I have covered a lot of hacker cases, and right now I am interested in the Kevin Poulsen, alias Dark Dante, case. I am looking for people who know Kevin. I can not understand why he has been 30 mo nths now in custody without a court case. If anyone can help me, and are willing to talk to me, please write to my compuserve account, 75320,672 or internet: ogrunba(a)eis.calstate.edu - my name is Ole Grunbaum, and my newspaper is Politiken.

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Re: What can we do in the next few days? (fwd)
by paul＠poboy.b17c.ingr.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> I wrote Grady Ward under separate cover about Bruce Schneier's > upcoming book, published by John Wiley & Sons.. Last I heard, its > title was "Practical Cryptography," and it's scheduled to hit the > streets around November 1st. > The book includes source code for DES, RSA, DH, IDEA, and several > others (Snefru and Lucifer?). IMHO its most salient feature is the > inclusion of that source code _on a floppy._ > This should probably be added to the reference list; I've emailed > Bruce to get the ISBN number and will post it when he responds. > Illegitimus nil carborundum, > -Paul -- Paul Robichaux, KD4JZG | "Change the world for a better tomorrow. But perobich(a)ingr.com | watch your ass today." - aaron(a)halcyon.com Intergraph Federal Systems | Be a cryptography user- ask me how.

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meaningless rumor
by L. Detweiler 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From a high-level source in contact with an *extremely* high level source: Rumor: Moby Crypto was targeted because G. Ward intended to include PGP on distribution disks. The investigation is primarily PGP oriented, and G. Ward is just a bystander who got caught up. PRZ & PGP is the essential target. Notes (1) phrasing of the subpoenas definitely confirms this -- PGP is mentioned in both. (2) can we find any Usenet postings where G. Ward announced intent to distribute PGP with Moby Crypto to help confirm this? (3) Current Underground Digest just came out -- it (contrarily) hypes the Moby Crypto `attack' as foremost, and *mislabels* PRZ's comments as `reaction to Moby Crypto attack' -- in fact, there is no indication that he knew of Moby Crypto when he wrote those.

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Re: meaningless rumor
by smb＠research.att.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Assuming that whoevever implemented PGP did not himself import the cipher, but based the implementation on the EUROCRYPT '90 paper that was 'imported' by Springer-Verlag, I don't understand what the basis would be for such a charge. Now an indictment against Springer for shipping the proceedings (which contained C source code for IDEA) into the US - that would be interesting... As you say, ``assuming''. The Feds can afford to lose that count because of the facts of this case; they can't afford to lose on a point of law. I don't know what the facts are, or what they can prove about them. They may not, either, at this point, pending the results of the grand jury probe.

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Re: KEY ESCROW PROCEDURES
by cme＠ellisun.sw.stratus.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From: Mike Godwin <mnemonic(a)eff.org> >Message-Id: <199309181851.AA05084(a)eff.org> >Subject: Re: KEY ESCROW PROCEDURES >Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1993 14:51:57 -0400 (EDT) > >Carl writes: > >> Meanwhile, where is the proof that the key being requested corresponds to >> a person on whom a wiretap has been ordered? > >The authorized key request will normally occur after law-enforcement >officials have snagged the chip serial number from the LEAF >(law-enforcement field) of the signal they captured with an authorized >wiretap. Mike, that's the theory but there is no proof that the signal was captured with an authorized wiretap. For that, the key registration agents have to trust the law enforcement agency. If the LE agency can be trusted, there's no need for the key registration agencies. Part of the reason for encryption of communications is to guard against illegal actions by law enforcement agencies. - Carl

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Re: meaningless rumor
by an5877＠anon.penet.fi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Assuming that whoevever implemented PGP did not himself import the cipher, but > based the implementation on the EUROCRYPT '90 paper that was 'imported' > by Springer-Verlag, According to idea.c in the PGP sources: * Algorithm developed by Xuejia Lai and James L. Massey, of ETH Zurich. * This implementation modified and derived from original C code * developed by Xuejia Lai. Of course, idea.c and PGP as a whole have been substantially improved by an international community; importing their warez may be as much of an "offense" as importing IDEA. (Certainly the prosecution of these actions is equal in absurdity.) DEADBEAT <na5877(a)anon.penet.fi> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3 iQBFAgUBLJ26yfFZTpBW/B35AQEOlQF/WiYCKSLEDU9XDL57YIHGIRxaBae3vIiA BkTK/sLzZKsVPM87Ol2qGRa4n5kttHfU =MCTV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help(a)anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin(a)anon.penet.fi.

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Newsgroup...
by gtoal＠an-teallach.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In article <Pine.3.05.9309192343.A161-9100000-9100000@netcom3> cvoid(a)netcom.com writes: > So, is there a specific reason why someone hasn't created an > <alt.cypherpunks> newsgroup? It seems appropriate, as most of the current > mass amounts of traffic are dedicated to paranoia and bickering... Erm... because this is the only place left we can have a sensible discussion without Sternlight bringing any argument down to the level of the absurd? G -- Personal mail to gtoal(a)gtoal.com (I read it in the evenings) Business mail to gtoal(a)an-teallach.com (Be careful with the spelling!) Faxes to An Teallach Limited: +44 31 662 4678 Voice: +44 31 668 1550 x212

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Encrypted logins?
by Forrest Aldrich 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Is there a way to set up an encrypted login session, whereby the calling program would need a 'key' in order to decrypt the connection to even see the 'login: ' prompt? I thought I saw something like this for the ham-radio enthusiasts. It uses plain-DES to do the work. But this would require that your calling program be some type of comm prog with the decryption/encryption abilities within. I understand that some gov logins use this type of scheme.

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Re: a quote
by lefty＠apple.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Sorry to add to the S/N ratio, but I can't resist passing on this >(unattributed) quote I saw in someone's .sig: > >> Giving power and money to the government is like giving whiskey and >> keys to a 17 year old. P. J. O'Rourke, _A_ _Parliament_ _of_ _Whores_ -- Lefty (lefty(a)apple.com) C:.M:.C:., D:.O:.D:.

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Re: a quote
by jrk＠sys.uea.ac.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lefty writes: >>Sorry to add to the S/N ratio, but I can't resist passing on this >>(unattributed) quote I saw in someone's .sig: >> >>> Giving power and money to the government is like giving whiskey and >>> keys to a 17 year old. > >P. J. O'Rourke, _A_ _Parliament_ _of_ _Whores_ He is American, I presume? Sorry to draw this tangent even further out, but I can't resist pointing out that in the UK it is perfectly legal to give whiskey and keys (car keys, I assume) to a 17 year old, and the heavens have not fallen. "Petrol and matches to a 5 year old" might be a better comparison. -- ____ Richard Kennaway __\_ / School of Information Systems Internet: jrk(a)sys.uea.ac.uk \ X/ University of East Anglia uucp: ...mcsun!ukc!uea-sys!jrk \/ Norwich NR4 7TJ, U.K.

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