December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Cats Out of Bags
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> "When I talk to other governments," [David L. Aaron] said, > "they still don't feel that the cat is out of the bag." Aaron's denying that the cat is out of the bag? He was fashionably dressed in a Lion Tamer's outfit, waving a whip, and trying to herd hundreds of small furry mammals to jump through a hoop and back into a clawed-up army duffel-bag! "Cats? Haven't seen any cats around here! Pay no attention to these,umm, Siberian Hamsters that I'm evaluating for export approval." > "Other governments were upset with the 56-bit export allowance. > They said it was going to undermine their national security." On this point, the other governments are correct. It really _is_ tougher to maintain a nation-state when your former subjects can have private conversations with each other and with other governments' former subjects...... And even 56 bits is a start. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Re: Cats Out of Bags
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

PJ wrote me in email: >A slight correction. The ``bernstein etc.'' cases are not about the >right to have strong crypto. There is no United States law forbidding >one from having or using crypto, hard, soft, or squishy. Those cases >challenge regulations that keep one from publishing information about >crypto including cryptographic software. Even if it were made illegal >to use hard crypto, it would still be a violation of the First >Amendment for the government to require a license before one is >allowed to publish information about crypto or anything else. I consider it a violation of free speech if the government made "hard crypto" illegal. yes, these cases are generally challenging the publishing aspects of crypto in the US, but this is not what I consider the most important constitutional ingredient in favor of crypto. crypto is essentially a kind of speech, or communication. hence restricting it would be like outlawing a certain foreign language that the government doesn't understand. in my opinion, this is the most important, root case to be made for the use of crypto in this country. publishing crypto algorithms is only a side issue compared to this, imho. so the bottom line is this: crypto regulations can be challenged under the idea that they are restricting freedom of the press, i.e. for academics to discuss algorithms, or it can be challenged under freedom of speech issues, i.e. everyone has the right to use codes for whatever purpose. currently because the regulations prohibit the "export" of crypto code, the first route is the basic challenge that makes the most sense. but I'd like to see the ITAR challenged on the second grounds as well, i.e. as a free speech issue. there's less reason when the gov't is not trying to regulate domestic crypto, but it might be a relevant angle in the export debate. BTW, I understand that there are cases being made by Karn, Junger, and Bernstein, is that correct? with Junger being the most recent? does anyone have web pages dedicated to each one of these? thanks;

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Quick question
by Chad Robinson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

How does the current Linux IPSEC release work? Is it a kernel patch or module? A daemon? I'd love to try this out on a local LAN here to see it in action, but don't have too much time these days. Best regards, Chad --------------------------[ Chad Robinson (Task) ]---------------------------- Senior Systems Analyst chadr(a)brttech.com BRT Technical Services Corporation http://www.brttech.com/~chadr -----------------[ Why is `abbreviation' such a long word? ]------------------

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RC5-12/32/5 contest solved. Who gets a credit?
by Yuri Sorkin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com Tue, 28 Jan 1997 21:37:57 -0800 At 09:55 PM 1/28/97 +0100, Germano Caronni <caronni(a)tik.ee.ethz.ch> wrote: >challenge: RC5-32/12/5 >time: from start of contest until Tue Jan 28 21:54:58 1997 >method: massive distributed coordinated keysearch, details later which was a bit slower than Ian Goldberg's crack, but pretty close. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Huh!? Goldbeg's announce states that he spent about 3.5 hours, i.e. a solution came not earlier than 12.30 PST, while Caronni got it at 11.55 am PST. Yuri Sorkin

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Re: PGPMail 4.5 Released!
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 06:29 AM 1/31/97 -0500, you wrote: >And what happened to the $29 discount price they proposed for 2.6.3 users and viuacrypt users!!!!!!!!!!!! > I just email PGP sales with that question. DCF -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.5 iQCVAgUBMvJBCIVO4r4sgSPhAQEZ4wP/RWERsyjzsVURKR5rBZx3DKoj6dDDRvIP vNGbE3UnI/hqiRaZSf6P/36MnM2dQ8yIbbmlvsWV3N4m9moBUnvY6hy3elbwFTkE P+cICHcm3S0uW68aZ/vKK4sasg+WJgd+YLBwdQWkZc8GBn8Ut6mJE7sVXEiJWNMC WgFjwMALh7A= =j4+j -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: PGPMail 4.5 Released!
by Alan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Fri, 31 Jan 1997, Duncan Frissell wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > At 06:29 AM 1/31/97 -0500, you wrote: > >And what happened to the $29 discount price they proposed for 2.6.3 users and viuacrypt users!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > I just email PGP sales with that question. I just got off the phone with PGP sales. Currently PGPMail is only available off if the web site for download. The version on disk will be available sometime mid February. So it looks like if you want it now it is going to cost you $149. If you wait until mid February, you can get it at the lower price (plus $10 shipping and handling). BTW, it does use SSL on the order form, though I have my doubts about the security of sending form data from an insecure page to a secure form cgi.

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Re: Cats Out of Bags
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

PJ wrote me in email: >A slight correction. The ``bernstein etc.'' cases are not about the >right to have strong crypto. There is no United States law forbidding >one from having or using crypto, hard, soft, or squishy. Those cases >challenge regulations that keep one from publishing information about >crypto including cryptographic software. Even if it were made illegal >to use hard crypto, it would still be a violation of the First >Amendment for the government to require a license before one is >allowed to publish information about crypto or anything else. I consider it a violation of free speech if the government made "hard crypto" illegal. yes, these cases are generally challenging the publishing aspects of crypto in the US, but this is not what I consider the most important constitutional ingredient in favor of crypto. crypto is essentially a kind of speech, or communication. hence restricting it would be like outlawing a certain foreign language that the government doesn't understand. in my opinion, this is the most important, root case to be made for the use of crypto in this country. publishing crypto algorithms is only a side issue compared to this, imho. so the bottom line is this: crypto regulations can be challenged under the idea that they are restricting freedom of the press, i.e. for academics to discuss algorithms, or it can be challenged under freedom of speech issues, i.e. everyone has the right to use codes for whatever purpose. currently because the regulations prohibit the "export" of crypto code, the first route is the basic challenge that makes the most sense. but I'd like to see the ITAR challenged on the second grounds as well, i.e. as a free speech issue. there's less reason when the gov't is not trying to regulate domestic crypto, but it might be a relevant angle in the export debate. BTW, I understand that there are cases being made by Karn, Junger, and Bernstein, is that correct? with Junger being the most recent? does anyone have web pages dedicated to each one of these? thanks;

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Re: Denial of service attack
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Fighting the cybercensor. (fwd)
by azur＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>> Its worth noting that the origin of property is theft. In the case of the > > BULLSHIT. BULL FUCKING SHIT. The origin of property is labor. Claiming >that _my_ property is the result of ME stealing, and hence what I OWN belongs >to the community IS theft. I work, and as the result of that work something is >created. That something is MINE to do with as I will. If I choose to sell that >work for money, that money is mine. If I trade that money for shoes, those >shoes are mine. THere is no theft involved. Tell this to the Native Americans. --Steve

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