December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by Nemesis 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have lost the address to the page to join cypherpunks can anyone help me A friend needs it .. thanx Nemesis

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Re: anonymous age credentials, sharing of
by gw 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 04:24 PM 2/15/96 -0500, you wrote: >On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, gw wrote: > >> the People, want to support permanently binding a traceable, non-anonymous >> identity to all certificate attributes that are used in electronic exchange >> (age, etc...) then there is going to be the potential for someone to >> deliberately allow their credential to be misused. >> >> IMO, to prevent this totally would require implanting a non-forgable i.d. >> chip in everyone at birth ..... not very appealing. > >And even then, what about the people that undergo surgery to swap chips? > Seems less likely ... you would need qualified surgeon, etc. ... my suspicion is that biometric devices are actually more susceptible to bypass . >The only REAL way of authentication is biometrics. Anything else can be >swapped. For that matter, if you can replace an amputated finger, how about transplanting a hand? <shrug> I think the distinction between an implanted device and a naturally occuring biometric is 1. not that important, 2. not all that large, anyway. My point is -and I think this pretty obvious- without the "something someone IS" as opposed ot "HAS" there is no stopping the exchange of credentials. And then as you go to "HAS", it's just a matter of how far you want to raise the bar. I like that idea of surgically swapping tokens ... where do I find the Dr.? Assuming s/he's illicit, then where do I get the $? And the person to swap with? What's in it for him/her? >But if you amputate someone's hand or retinas then they won't >work(check for things like blood flow, etc.) > >Ben. >____ >Ben Samman..............................................samman(a)cs.yale.edu >"If what Proust says is true, that happiness is the absence of fever, then >I will never know happiness. For I am possessed by a fever for knowledge, >experience, and creation." -Anais Nin >PGP Encrypted Mail Welcomed Finger samman(a)powered.cs.yale.edu for key >Want to give a soon-to-be college grad a job? Mail me for a resume > >

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Re: The Internet Party
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- jamesd(a)echeque.com wrote: > At 01:01 PM 2/14/96 -0800, Brian D Williams wrote: > >Why not form our own Party? > >The Internet party........ > > No matter how excellent the people and the goals of such a party: > such a party would be a first step to creating a world state. > > Good intentions, dreadful consequences. Bah. Instead we can have an Internet Party. No, not political party... I mean a nice world-wide baccanal... Hell of a lot more fun, anyway. Bread & circus. - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBMSP+aSoZzwIn1bdtAQEGiQF8C46cp1jU+1zSNGUWYYJHYq3L/K9O+Gzo IAYVTxL6ANiaebn+caUV4O8f5Er/gud3 =tJWO -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Some thoughts on the Chinese Net
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I haven't been watching this thread much, but has anyone checked out the appropriate Chinese culture/politics newsgroups on this? - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBMSP+pyoZzwIn1bdtAQHb7AGAyzWHyF23Gvt/i9Fbs9zQuPrck2fCEdK3 3BAT0lqJoquriMf1Ten4OhVQlJA4nzB9 =lWWG -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Remailers Pose Risk
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Computerworld, February 12, 1996, Front page: > > Stealth E-mail poses corporate security risk > > By Gary H. Anthes[..] > Anonymous remailers on the Internet are emerging as a > threat to national and corporate security, some experts > warn. FNORD! [..] > For corporate information systems managers, stealth E-mail > is especially troubling because it allows hackers to attack > systems, steal trade secrets and broadcast them worldwide > without leaving an audit trail for authorities to follow. Dumpster-diving the corporate offices and mailing the results to the media doesn't leave much of an audit trail either. Perhaps a problem lies in their own security... > "Anonymous remailers have a lot of nasty potential," said > Stephen T. Kent, chief scientist for security technology at So do kitchen knives or automobiles. [..] [..] > One snowy day last month, for example, about 25% of the > workforce at a defense contractor in Rockville, Md., went > home after they received a bogus E-mail message dismissing > them for the day. The message originated from an anonymous > remailer that allowed the user to impersonate a senior > company official. Was that a remailer or simply forged mail? > Last year, the U.S. Supreme Court struck down an Ohio law > that required the authors of political posters and > pamphlets to identify themselves. "In the case of political > speach, you can't make people tell you who they are," said > Patrick Sullivan, executive director of the Computer Ethics > Institute in Washington. BTW, "Docket 93-986 -- Decided April 19, 1995" from Cornell's Law site [..] > "As in the case of smallpox, yellow fever, flu epidemics, > AIDS or malaria, it will take disasters before the public > may accept that some forms of restrictions on the > electronic freedom of speech and that privacy may be > worthwhile."FNORD! [..] > Do's and don'tsAhem > Unethical or illegal uses of anonymous remailers:[..] > - To violate copyright lawsScientology... > - To encourage others to commit unethical or illegal > behaviorAhem. Illegal<>Unethical... it may be very ethical to violate some laws. And then again, so what about unethical? So what if an anonymous poster advocates adultury or pilfering paperclips from your employer... - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBMSQGzCoZzwIn1bdtAQFw8wF/Ta61GbzPyYQR9CZPl7TEa6gA3O32OyLS OqQeEA6k/Ehtd0TjCdMRRfsOOf6xfQ5w =zBHu -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Trolling for Muslims during Ramadan
by Charles Gimon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Has the list really sunk this far into trolling? Obviously we're starting to see dreck posted simply to draw people into fights. If I want a religious war, I'll hang out in soc.culture.pakistan, thank you. <Insert Perrygram here.> Oh, and for the still-clueless, posts like the following have about as much of a foundation in reality as your average Zundelsite. Don't even bother replying. *********************************************************************** --The Interview-- | gimonca(a)skypoint.com George Clinton: "Suck on my soul, | Minneapolis MN USA and I will lick your funky emotions!"| http://www.skypoint.com/~gimonca Dave Letterman: "Yuck!!" | A lean, mean meme machine. *********************************************************************** ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 20:03:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Sean Gabb <cea01sig(a)gold.ac.uk> To: Ashfaq Rasheed <ashfaq(a)corp.cirrus.com> Cc: tcmay(a)got.net, cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Re: Online Zakat Payment: Religious tithe. True, there are risks in generalising from the actions of one individual to the group as a whole. Nevertheless, where Islam is concerned, there are so many individuals behaving badly that we are justified in thinking the whole religion a force for bad. Doubtless, I shall be told that "true Islam" is "true tolerance", "true freedom", and even "true apple pie". I may be told that the horrors of actually existing Islam - remember this phrase, or something like it? - are all somehow the fault of the West. But the fact is that most Moslems venerate old men in beards, who think that anyone who disagrees with them about God should be put to death, that a woman with a clitoris is a kind of devil, and that Western classical music is evil. By my standards, these people are disgusting. My only dispute with Tim is in our manner of expressing our disgust.

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Re: Online Zakat Payment: Religious tithe.
by Joe Zychik 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:59 PM 2/15/96 -0500, you wrote: >On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, Sean Gabb wrote: > >> where Islam is concerned, there >> are so many individuals behaving badly that we are justified in thinking >> the whole religion a force for bad. > >> But the fact is that most Moslems >> venerate old men in beards, who think that anyone who disagrees >> with them about God should be put to death, that a woman with a >> clitoris is a kind of devil, and that Western classical music is evil. > > > And your travels in the Islamic world consist of? And you >personally know how many Muslims? And you have read how much Islamic >sources? Below is an article from today's Zychik Chronicle, that is very, very relevant to this post: (New York Times) "I didn't know enough Arabic to lead the prayer and was still a student of the Koran," said Isak-El M. Pasha. A plumber at the time, he was appointed the inman of the Malcolm Shabazz Mosque in Harlem. The appointment was given to him by the dying inman, Ali Rashid. He cried that night and "submitted to the 'will of Allah.'" The orthodox Sunni Muslim sect he was to lead had broken with Louis Farakhaan in the 70's. By 1993, when Mr. Pasha took over, membership had dwindled down to 700. At one time this had been the temple where Malcolm X had preached his most fiery sermons! But the break with Farakhaan almost caused the Mosque to be foreclosed on. Today the Mosque has 8,000 members and Mr. Pasha is "being called Harlem's new spokesman." Mr. Pasha's rise in the Black community establishes that most Blacks don't like racism. Here's a few quotes of his: "We have as much racism practiced among us as black people as any racism that has been practiced upon us by other groups." When he invited the white Mayor of New York City to speak at the mosque he was criticized by radical black racists. His response: "Sometimes leadership in Harlem treats African-Americans like children. . Like if some white man talks to us we're going to be lead back into slavery. We have a constituency and I'm obligated to bring those they elect to them." Finally, a comment that is sure to drive Bill-Racist-Clinton and Janet-makes-you-feel-sorry-for-Parkinson's-disease-Reno up the wall: "Islam won't accept racism and won't allow Muslims to practice it." Let's call Mr. Pasha a True Muslim. ----------------------- To subscribe to the Zychik Chronicle please reply by e-mail. jz

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Berkeley ftp site moved again?
by s1018954＠aix2.uottawa.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've been unable to get through to ftp.csua.berkeley.edu and www.csua.berkeley.edu for the past two days. Does anyone know if the site (and the cpunk archives with it) has moved or if it's just down? (I'd mail root, but what's the point if the machine's down?) Sorry if I've missed this being mentioned before.

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Re: Netscrape's Cookies
by jf_avon＠citenet.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Alex Strasheim <cp(a)proust.suba.com> said: >The best answer would probably be to use the kind of pop-up messages you >get when you're going to submit a secure or insecure form. "You're about >to send a cookie back to a web server, continue or abandon?" "You're >about to send mail from a web page, do you want to do that?" Give people >the ability to turn the messages off -- that way functionality isn't >impaired. I find that a very good solution providing that the browser say: >"You're about to send a cookie...." Here, I would add: "... that contain the following information:" (information list) "... back to a web server, continue or abandon?" Otherwise, it not as worse, but still in the same spirit as to sign a blank check to a stranger... ( I am telling you... it's been *at least* a million years that I did not exagerate! :) Regards to the vast majority of CPunk JFA **** NEW PGP 2.6.2 KEY ********* 2048 bits Key ID:24201BA1 1996/02/13 Jean-Francois Avon <jf_avon(a)citenet.net> Key fingerprint = 23 B6 24 31 86 67 FB 35 C7 A7 AF 12 A1 61 E9 3D **** OLD KEY: DO NOT USE ANYMORE UNLESS FOR VERIFYING SIGNATURES **** 1024 bits Key ID:57214AED 1995/10/04 Jean-Francois Avon <jf_avon(a)citenet.net> Key fingerprint = 84 96 76 AE EB 7C AB 15 88 47 87 B0 18 31 74 9F

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Re:
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:44 PM 2/14/96 -0800, anonymous-remailer(a)shell.portal.com wrote: >>Meanwhile >> WANTED, DEAD OR ALIVE >> JIM BELL >> REWARD 13 demo-cyberbucks > > Send your contributions to: > > James D. Bell > 7214 Corregidor Road > Vancouver, WA > (503) 696-3911 > (503) 737-0284 > (503) 737-0357 > >>An assassination-sponsoring society is _not_ a polite society. > >The first rule of not being seen is "Don't stand up". BTW, the last two telephone numbers are no longer active at my residence. I haven't tried them to see if they've already been assigned to other people. I would have hoped that anybody who went through the limited research (they well all listed telephone numbers, BTW; I've NEVER had an unlisted telephone number) to find them would have at least called to verify that they were no longer valid numbers.

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