December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

questions.
by sis2209＠sisvax.sis.port.ac.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date sent: 28-APR-1994 I am currently getting together resources for a research paper on the growth of encryption systems, from enigma to present day. Part of the paper will examine the direction taken by encryption schemes in the future (with particular reference to the likely acceleration of computing power, greater need for personal privacy, etc etc) The paper will be written from the viewpoint of an encryption-aware programmer, rather than that of an expert cryptanalyst! Plenty of example code and practical applications will form the backbone of this study, not pages of mathematics. Are there any papers currently circulating dealing with the future of encryption? Has anyone else on this list already investigated this area, I'd appreciate any information you can submit (ftp addrs?), via this mailing list or private email if you wish. Nick =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System Operator of Psycho BBS, +44 483 418467 HST/v32bis Archimedes and PC shareware sis2209(a)sisvax.sis.port.ac.uk 885Mb online huttonnc(a)axpvms.pa.dec.com

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ITAR and non-US citizens
by rishab＠dxm.ernet.in 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What's my legal position if I buy a 'munition' in NY and walk out of the US? What's my legal position if I ftp PGP from a US site? Who's violated ITAR? If I have, and it's proved, anything they can do? I don't suppose India, or any other government for that matter, will extradite someone for getting something out of the US that can't harm them. Can non-US citizens file CJ (or FOIA) requests? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rishab Aiyer Ghosh rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in Voicemail +91 11 3760335; Vox/Fax/Data 6853410 H-34C Saket New Delhi 110017 INDIA The National Short-Sleeved Shirt Association says: Support your right to bare arms! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Phil Z in the WSJ
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Get today's Wall Street Journal. Phil and PGP are profiled in the left hand "profile" column on page 1. Usual crypto errors. "PGP is more unbreakable than any code in history." They spelled our name wrong too. It's "cypherpunks" not cipherpunks. DCF

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ILF: Computers abort Titan launching
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Brought to you by the Information Liberation Front (Reuters) CAPE CANAVERAL - Computers detected potential trouble and aborted Tuesday's launch of a Titan rocket and its military cargo in the final seconds of countdown, the Air Force said. It was the second attempt in three days to get the powerful booster off the ground and into orbit with what is said to be the world's largest and most sophisticated eavesdropping satellite, called the Aquacade. Air Force officials said the rocket would not be ready for a third blastoff try before Thursday.

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Directory of 'punks
by Jim Sewell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

As another thought, would there be interest in compiling a list of cypherpunks who agreed to be included, their occupations, and any notable experiences such as "Served for 3 years on the Foreign Affairs Committee" or whatever. With tools like a "press kit" and a directory of members we will become viewed as a cross-section of America, citizens with a point of view shared by many, contributors to the general welfare of society rather than a bunch of fanatical computer geeks that haven't given anything to society. (well, maybe...it's a tough battle.) Jim -- Tantalus Inc. Jim Sewell Amateur Radio: KD4CKQ P.O. Box 2310 Programmer Internet: jims(a)mpgn.com Key West, FL 33045 C-Unix-PC Compu$erve: 71061,1027 (305)293-8100 PGP via email on request. 1K-bit Fingerprint: 8E 14 68 90 37 87 EF B3 C4 CF CD 9A 3E F9 4A 73

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AT&T, Clipper, & Saudi Arabia
by paul＠poboy.b17c.ingr.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Dear AT&T: If you'll roll over for us on Clipper, we will suitably incentivize you. /s/ The Clinton Administration I suppose most of us would consider a $4B contract a "suitable incentive." While there's probably no direct evidence of a quid pro quo, it strikes me as a bit odd that the President is personally intervening in a purely commercial deal. OTOH this is the second time Clinton has intervened in a deal with the Saudis. On the gripping hand, I don't recall anyone intervening to get business for Boeing (Peace Shield, the Saudi C3I network), McDonnell (F-15s), and so on. Thanks a lot, AT&T. - -Paul - -- Paul Robichaux, KD4JZG | Out the 10Base-T port, through the router, perobich(a)ingr.com | over the leased line, off the bridge, past Intergraph Federal Systems | the firewall... nothing but net. Of course I don't speak for Intergraph. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLb/JLCA78To+806NAQGPrwP+Jf+B7B/AXogJi/APH71KpgT1wGi8QahK Qn3rSx5baRxfpwlHafecV+3TV6OJt8L7je1VlSm3dIJp7vVDPmsKDvV8QD1/Skd9 u3eMIzpKsspje2hG9olS/6Dm6huPAPUHb+Lpx/jD5P2VuYcsiMhyO4shCZw9hMUU ZiiClgJuBf8= =XuPw -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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e-mail for WSJ
by habs＠warwick.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Here is the e-mail address that can be used to contact the author of the WSJ article on Philip Z. The author's name is William Bulkeley The e-mail address is 6095475(a)mcimail.com Let's not overload him... /hawk

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Re: AT&T, Clipper, & Saudi Arabia
by smb＠research.att.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Dear AT&T: If you'll roll over for us on Clipper, we will suitably incentivize yo u. /s/ The Clinton Administration I suppose most of us would consider a $4B contract a "suitable incentive." While there's probably no direct evidence of a quid pro quo, it strikes me as a bit odd that the President is personally intervening in a purely commercial deal. OTOH this is the second time Clinton has intervened in a deal with the Saudis. On the gripping hand, I don't recall anyone intervening to get business for Boeing (Peace Shield, the Saudi C3I network), McDonnell (F-15s), and so on. Can we please confine paranoia to reasonable areas -- like AT&T's sales of secure phones to the government? The U.S. government has a very long record of pushing American products against foreign competitors, such as Boeing versus Airbus. Of course, there is a quid pro quo here -- but it's Clinton reminding the Saudis about Desert Storm. --Steve Bellovin P.S. It goes without saying that I'm speaking for myself, not AT&T.

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Re: DId you ever think...
by jpp＠markv.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: uri(a)watson.ibm.com > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 1994 15:10:39 -0500 (EDT) > > jpp(a)markv.com says: > > Wasn't there some concern on IBM's part about liability -- > > Thus the US Governments participation, including the 'secret' changes > > to DES? > > Liabilities? To who and about what? Since it became a standard, the > US Gov't assumed the responsibility... Oh, for instance, say liability to the banks who's electronic fund transfers were stolen or forged. But yeah, my understanding was that IBM wouldn't release the cipher for general consumption unless some Gov't would 'standardize' it and take the liability heat. Even the smaller 56 bit key was IBM's idea? Why!??!? Weren't they in the business of making a _strong_ cipher? j'

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Re: AT&T, Clipper, & Saudi Arabia
by paul＠poboy.b17c.ingr.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Can we please confine paranoia to reasonable areas -- like AT&T's sales > of secure phones to the government? The U.S. government has a very long > record of pushing American products against foreign competitors, such as > Boeing versus Airbus. I have great respect for you, Steve, but in this case I must humbly disagree with you. The US government does have a very long record of promoting US products for foreign sales, but it is certainly rare for the President himself to get involved so publically. Do you really think that selling 50,000 secure phones would be _that_ attractive to AT&T? It would certainly be attractive to the particular business unit in charge of selling them, but not nearly as attractive as the promise of help in the future. > Of course, there is a quid pro quo here -- but it's Clinton reminding the > Saudis about Desert Storm. Considering that the Saudis paid for a large fraction of the monetary cost of Desert <foo>, and that they have made or attempted to make substantial FMS and civilian purchases from the US, they very well may feel that they have discharged their debt. I think it's reasonable to visualize a conversation in which the administration promised to "help AT&T in the future" in exchange for AT&T's adoption of Clipper. It certainly may not have been as blatant as my satirical letter, but that doesn't make it less plausible. - -Paul - -- Paul Robichaux, KD4JZG | Out the 10Base-T port, through the router, perobich(a)ingr.com | over the leased line, off the bridge, past Intergraph Federal Systems | the firewall... nothing but net. Of course I don't speak for Intergraph. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLb/UACA78To+806NAQFltgP+ILjjQTG2EOlnj9+csJHC5q8v2cwXwaUo Y5MMShgVShUB4xe3knS6UPShEW2YemGGzvfWWIO+O1hgiXLWKbxclnRB/UCgne4G J+0TJzwZGu6WxD/IEoOMvFkFisJauqpeL4uP7DgaWtAcV5LeBg4mKoTgxGvZaE7i r4nNBLkJdI4= =IB4g -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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