December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

CONTROL FREAKS
by Sandy Sandfort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C'punks, Alan Olsen still thinks totalitarians can succeed in industrial countries. He wrote: ... But it is also the case that industrial countries, when they fall on hard times tend to fall back on an authoritarian "bread and circuses" approach to governing. Examples, please. Fascism in 1930's Germany was certainly NOT one such government. National Socialism, of course, had its "bread" aspect, but their were no "circuses" in the Roman sense. While Bread and Circuses is one technique to keep a population in line, it is quite separate from the military/police state method chosen by the NAZIs. In any event, NAZI Germany supports the proposition that modern totalitarianism, by its nature, must be short lived. How long did the "Thousand Year Reich" last? ... We have the control freaks just wating to gain the power and more waiting in the wings. They have the money and they have the technology.... "They," again? I thought it might be "them." The Illuminati, right? Or is it the Trilateral Commission, the Jesuits, or the CIA? Who are these control freaks who "have the money and ... the technology"? Jeez, and some call me paranoid for being a privacy advocate. When I wrote, "There will be some temporary, local setbacks in the coming years, and have some mopping up to do, but we've already won." Alan responded: Don't be too smug yet... There are people in power who have not figured out that totalitarian states cannot survive.... Logic and reason have nothing to do with the "thought patterns" of these people. Roadrunner logic. Wiley Coyote runs over the edge of a cliff. Miraculously, he is suspended in the air until he makes the mistake of looking down. Only when he becomes aware of his predicament does he fall. My point still is, the totalitarians don't have to figure out anything; their "thought patterns" are irrelevant; reality still rules. They will not survive. Besides, it is not their money they are spending on this. It is yours. Are you sure they're spending *my* money? With each advance in privacy technology, they have less access to *anyone's* money. As far as I have been able to determine, the only thing that you can do with a control freak is to kill him before he obtains any position of power. (Or wrap him in duct tape and feed him lots of Thorazine(tm).) Or, with a little ingenuity, you could structure your life so you could just ignore him. Living well is the best revenge. S a n d y "Who finds he needs to spend far less time fighting the Great Enemy, than educating the nattering nabobs of negativism." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Need ride from SF
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I need a ride to the CP meeting. Can pay for gas. Send email or call my VM at (451) 435-7939 Thanks, -- Lucky Green <shamrock(a)netcom.com> PGP public key by finger

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Bumper Stickers
by David K. Merriman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I finally got around to calling the number that was posted along with the announcement of Williams and Macias' bumper sticker printer stock of a few weeks ago. They were quite willing to send me samples of it :-) When it shows up, I'll take it for a 'test drive' and let you all know how it turns out. Their number is 1-800-310-0890, if you want to play with it yourself. Dave Merriman - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Finger merriman(a)metronet.com for PGP/RIPEM public keys and fingerprints. Unencrypted Email may be ignored without notice to sender. PGP preferred. Remember: It is not enough to _obey_ Big Brother; you must also learn to *love* Big Brother.

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pgp key servers
by Tom Allard 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- What's up with the key servers now? My last request (to pgp-public-keys(a)io.com) was finally bounced after a week. I tried to finger @wasabi.io.com and was told "Connection timed out". - ------- Forwarded Message Date: Fri, 09 Sep 94 08:55:15 -0500 From: MAILER-DAEMON(a)io.com (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Subject: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 1 week The original message was received at Fri, 2 Sep 1994 08:37:02 -0500 from newfed.frb.gov [198.3.221.5] ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- pgpkeys(a)wasabi.io.com (unrecoverable error) (expanded from: <pgp-public-keys(a)io.com>) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- pgpkeys(a)wasabi.io.com... Deferred: Connection timed out with wasabi.io.com. Message could not be delivered for 1 week Message will be deleted from queue ----- Original message follows ----- Received: from newfed.FRB.GOV by pentagon.io.com (8.6.5/PERFORMIX-0.9/08-16-92) id IAA07205; Fri, 2 Sep 1994 08:37:02 -0500 From: m1tca00(a)FRB.GOV Received: from FRB.GOV by newfed.FRB.GOV (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA02381; Fri, 2 Sep 94 09:36:52 EDT Received: from mass6.FRB.GOV by frbgate.FRB.GOV (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA03293; Fri, 2 Sep 94 09:34:46 EDT Received: from localhost by mass6.FRB.GOV (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA14292; Fri, 2 Sep 94 09:34:44 EDT Message-Id: <9409021334.AA14292(a)mass6.FRB.GOV> To: pgp-public-keys(a)io.com Subject: get 0x8467D261 Date: Fri, 02 Sep 94 09:34:43 -0400 - ------- End of Forwarded Message rgds-- TA (tallard(a)frb.gov) I don't speak for the Federal Reserve Board, it doesn't speak for me. pgp fingerprint: 10 49 F5 24 F1 D9 A7 D6 DE 14 25 C8 C0 E2 57 9D -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQCVAwUBLnBvuKAudFplx0TNAQGJHwP+OqwSKkZeUMPCzXTJ0l0Qbv1MqxTIOlQP 4WkmtVXLd5f7BXrKwhQn97eGPu30Ghaq8IojpV1erRghAEeBYKmE6s82as4s/fAg ghyChlO6v52xsKM9UOophcY6pkAOWp128J8I8rwK0apinuzV0AE90sdtxssJWOrT SMNQ9PZAU68= =a/bq -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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FORWARD
by Sandy Sandfort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

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Quick item re cellular encryption
by NetSurfer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This was parsed off Edupage - anyone know what type of encryption they are using? -NetSurfer BEWARE CELLULAR CONFIDENCES Lawyers who use cellular phones to discuss private matters with clients are increasingly turning toward encryption technology to protect confidential information. Boston-based SafeCall, a company that guarantees secure cellular conversations by routing the calls through its scrambler, says its largest and fastest growing contingent of customers is lawyers. Meanwhile, a six-step set of how-to instructions for turning a Motorola flip-phone into a cellular call receiver was posted on the Internet. (Wall Street Journal 9/1/94 B1)

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Introduction: Telephone traffic analysis
by f_griffith＠TITAN.SFASU.EDU 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>They track and compare the frequency of calling patterns made by the targets. >Now they know the "calling circle" of the targets. They expand the tracking >pattern and start looking for cross overs. Tom Clancy in _Clear and Present Danger_ has a description of the CIA doing something like this to the Columbia drug cartel.

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Black Cryptoanarchy (KKK, monopolies, contract killing)
by kkk＠asc.bu.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>I am trying to understand the arguments for these points of view... I >consider myself to be extremely "liberal" in my political philosophy, and I >have a lot of respect for the arguments of libertarians. But I am >continually pulled back to the "test case" issue of racist employment >practices. This is the case where the argument is most difficult for me to >buy. I am not sure whether Blanc would hold that businesses should be free >to engage in racist hiring policies if that is their decision, but it seems >clear that Tim May does hold this position, and I understand that this is >in fact the classic libertarian position. The argument seems to be that in >a free society, natural cooperative processes will provide a form of >"autoregulation" to discourage the widespread development of oppression of >specific classes of individuals. So, what gives you the right to stick your nose into other peoples business practices. I believe that if I hire a person to do some task it should be my decision as to what sort of person I hire as it is my money that I am paying them and my business that suffers if I am forced into hiring someone based on something other than good business reasons. >Organizations such as the KKK could accrue the financial support of large >numbers of members to create strong social and economic pressures to >oppress segments of the population in specific areas, yet the source of >these pressures may be impossible to trace. The same could be said about the Democratic Party in the USA. >If there is a reason why these concerns are unfounded, I would very much >appreciate hearing refutations. I certainly don't want any of these >possibilities to materialize, but I don't see any way around them in a >completely "cryptoanarchic" society. I think that it would be a Healthy Change instead of the crap that you seem to perfer.

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Re: Black Cryptoanarchy (KKK, monopolies, contract killing)
by frissell＠panix.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:36 PM 9/9/94 -0700, Doug Cutrell wrote: >I am trying to understand the arguments for these points of view... I >consider myself to be extremely "liberal" in my political philosophy, and I >have a lot of respect for the arguments of libertarians. But I am >continually pulled back to the "test case" issue of racist employment >practices. This is the case where the argument is most difficult for me to >buy. Cypherpunks is becoming "horrors" libernet. The only legitimate hook for this issue is the fact that many would oppose crypto anarchy (if they knew it existed) because it makes things like anti-discrimination laws possible. To avoid too much damage to the list, I will try and restrain myself to two observations on the subject of laws against racial discrimination (which libertarians do oppose): 1) Laws are enforced by threat of (or by actual) violence. Supporters of outlawing racial discrimination are in the position of arguing that non-violent social disagreements (the decision by someone not to deal with someone else on *bad* grounds) should be "solved" by sending armed men out to punish the person deciding to refuse to hire -- say -- whites. And of course to kill him if he resists his punishment. I would rather see deadly force limited to situations in which there has at least been a breach of the peace of some kind. 2) I have never met a person (and don't believe that there ever has been a person) who has not discriminated on all of the "prohibited" bases frequently. Has there ever been anyone who selected -- say -- their friends and lovers *purely* using random selection. Never discriminating on the basis of race, creed, color, sex, age, alienage, previous condition of servitude, marital status, sexual or affectional preference, handicap, etc. It would be hard to imagine someone who didn't use these prohibited classifications in their personal sexual lives. I observe little use of RNGs (see -- a cypherpunks technical reference after all) in social intercourse. Since it is legal (and indeed considered OK) to discriminate on all these grounds in our personal lives, libertarians believe that discrimination should at least be legal. Freedom of Choice in *everything*. DCF ************************************************************************* ATMs, Contracting Out, Digital Switching, Downsizing, EDI, Fax, Fedex, Home Workers, Internet, Just In Time, Leasing, Mail Receiving, Phone Cards, Quants, Securitization, Temping, Voice Mail.

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Re: Title VII v. Liberty
by jamiel＠sybase.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 1:40 PM 9/9/94, Perry E. Metzger wrote: >Actually, as I recall these have mostly been marketing studies. For >whatever reason (perhaps the same "oppressed group syndrome" that >tends to make several other minorities work harder) gay men tend to be >higher up on the income scale. No, I can't find a reference in a >second -- but if you insist I'll dig one up. Those knowing my opinions If you happen across one, I'd like to see it, but don't go out of your way >closely enough will know that I loathe fundamentalist christians and >that I'm quite rabbid in attacking discrimination against homosexuals. I have at least a rough sketch of your political views in mind, Perry. I wasn't trying to attack you - I was trying to correct something that is a very common misconception. Just happens to be on a rather charged topic. Assuming it was a marketing survey, this makes a lot more sense. They are going to look places where people selling things have a good chance to sell, which tends not to be the blue collar sections (where due to violence and educational differences, people are also much more likely to be closeted, and results are skewed anyway) Also note that income brackets are, to my experience, extremely variant among gays depending on location, race and (here's the biggest, it seems) sex. >Let me note that Jews and Asians are not protected groups under Title >10 -- there are no affirmative action laws for us, and there *is* >discrimination against them -- sometimes even very violent >discrimination. Somehow, however, they have managed to do just fine in >society. Although I believe this is an apples/oranges situation on a number of grounds (no comments on discussing fruit, please :), I see your point. I still strongly disagree that such legislation isn't nessessary, but that's neither here nor there... >Perry -j -- "Blah Blah Blah" ___________________________________________________________________ Jamie Lawrence <jamiel(a)sybase.com>

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