December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: was an accurate description of movie...
by rjc＠gnu.ai.mit.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well, this is my last post in this thread since it is becoming quickly obvious that I may not be able to convince you and there isn't much relevance to cypherpunks except the "wiretap propaganda" of the movie, but you say that the original poster's "review" of the movie was an accurate description. If that is so, I challenge you to find the so-called "blow job" scene in this movie. I also challenge you to find the scene proving Omega had a "blanket order" to wiretap. Tom Arnold tells Arnie's character atleast twice that what he is doing (wiretapping his wife) is *illegal*. Secondly, the movie does not show that SIGINT was needed to stop the nuclear terrorists. It was HUMINT and the breakin in the beginning of the movie that was used to gather the intelligence neccessary. The entire movie was a comedy without a serious bone in it and I certainly don't think it was intended as pro-government wiretap. Finally, there is the subtle implication that making Arabs the enemy was a racist intention. There are a plethora of reasons why this was done other than racism. For 40 years, the enemy in our movies and culture was the USSR. Now that the USSR is gone, the only new enemies for Hollywood are either Columbian drug lords, corporations, or Islamic fundamentalists. It's not because they are Arabs, but because the middle east is the current hotbed of conflict, and Arab funded terrorists can and do plant bombs around the world. (one exploded the other day in South America) The PC crowd has a habit of jumping to conclusions before examining the facts. (did you know that the last four disney movies were racist pro-nazi propaganda? Check out the old threads in rec.arts.movies and rec.arts.animation. Or look at the hoopla over Basic Instinct) All I can say to people is go to the movie and judge for yourself. Just remember that Arnie is a libertarian leaning Republican (one of the few in Hollywood) and that James Cameron is known for making movies which are decidedly pro-women with characters like Ripley and Sarah Connor.

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no subject (file transmission)
by Anonymous User 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- This is a dumb question, but where can I get info on how key escro works? No, I am not championing clipper, just curious on this idea of key escrow. BTW: here is my PGP key, so that a tentacle or minion of SOMEBODY does not use my identity. ;-) - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6 mQCNAi4uAxoAAAEEAODNXIRJh7tu9MwBblaTxT2i1TRRn+HSxaVJ3IER4Yyl7aei 4pSt1anvxf0ZW+5tSdN6MFjUbYsioji8+DmXbnFoTTNtTIu5gE9TNYmF1pjpi8as HlvinbVbOUtZp8KENhfHOWkVtTqRmapTxXH0Ji6yxImo8jsb204+28KmzpWFAAUX tAlDeWJlcmR1bmU= =l+xa - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQCVAgUBLi4HQk4+28KmzpWFAQF49gP+Ms9+Hz71enBuA5Z4OCwbjcqcCCuyoIE4 AHqAKZeBPukqUdtrBZH3j8bdVP8i+8UKack3EnxfJXz+T8b010J52bIpP0deMw+l vtYXB1dSUIamIL9W7HP+V6ghbk1DKgyFmUTk0qWe0jad5RODW3IVquTCB6jMDSHX iwrzqiquY1U= =iaDb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------ To respond to the sender of this message, send mail to remailer(a)soda.berkeley.edu, starting your message with the following 8 lines: :: Response-Key: ideaclipper ====Encrypted-Sender-Begin==== MI@```%ES^P;+]AB?X9TW6\8WR:RP&2$59PH9(D5\+J5R.&*'OJ%/+7CSM):, MHR*%41?,$L`(2]NQW&5EF7*TTG"8=]"T<J0;JUR9_(()X7@4#8?5L+O$$:,\ $P#BH5P`` ====Encrypted-Sender-End====

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Who Detweiler is *really* posting as
by rjc＠gnu.ai.mit.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

No, no. You've got it all wrong. Perry is really the brother of Tom Metzger, publisher of W.A.R. or White Aryan Resistance. The whole organization is financed by Tim May and Perry is the W.A.R. liaison to Tim. They use cryptography to avoid FBI investigation of their organization. Detweiler is really a federal agent. His idiocy is really a cover for his crisp deductive ability which he uses to investigate people on cypherpunks. Proof of Tim May's racism is his use of the word "black" in his blacknet essay. Why not whitenet? Tim has also been caught attacking the government's AFDC program and we all know that's a sure sign of racism. Finally, if you're not convinced, look at Tim's pseudonym, "Klaus von Future Prime" That's proof of his pro-german-nazi attitude. I'm sending this message to you privately because if it ever got out that I told you all this, Tim May would take out a contract on my life. Hitnet really exists; Tim's satires on it are merely a cover just like the War of the Worlds broadcast! thguoht I naht tiwt reggib a era uoy siht fo yna eveileb uoy fi -information highway patrol, making the net safe from assault speech

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Clipper Chip retreat
by david d `zoo' zuhn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From the NY times reports The administration is willing to consider alternatives to Clipper that are based upon nonclassified algrithms, and where the escrow agents are not government agencies. They still insist on an escrow system, however. There's a quote from Marc Rotenberg saying that the escorw requirement is still unacceptable. Hmm. If the escrow agent isn't a government entity, then what sort of coercion will they have over that agent in order to get the keys in a timely fashion? The Cypherpunks Key Escrow Agency could volunteer to be one of the escrow agents, and upon receipt of a request for their part of an escrowed key, could act with all of the haste that the Feds seems to consider reasonable for the CJR and FOIA requests from the cypherpunks community. -- - david d `zoo' zuhn -| armadillo zoo software -- -- zoo(a)armadillo.com --| unix generalist (and occasional specialist) ------------------------+ send e-mail for more information pgp key upon request +----------------------------------------------------

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Jupiter, AC Clark, Ted Kennedy and the Moon
by pcw＠access.digex.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>(Like this, for example: >: Here's hoping the positive vibrations of the Jupiter-trumpet will beam into >: OUR lives and wreak a positive transformation. >) Did anyone else find it really weird that we were watching a comet hit Jupiter almost exactly 25 years after we set foot on the moon? Doesn't this bring memories of the movie/book _2001_? I can't remember what happened exactly (and I can't find my copy to refresh the cache) but didn't our moon base discover a slab on the moon that when uncovered triggered cool music _and_ a signal to outer space. Then we sent HAL and some human cargo out to Jupiter or Saturn were they encountered a weird, exponentially replicating slab of the same dimensions as the slab on the moon. Didn't this rendezvous happen some fixed amount of time after the discovery on the moon? Or is my brain just mapping everything together everywhich way. I.e. memories = g^{-1}(f(events)) where the kernal of f and g is their entire respective domains. What does this have to do with cyphers? Well, the slab on the moon was a cipher. It communicated to outer space in ciphers. The SETI project that listens to the outer space is essentially an exercise in cryptanalysis. Kubrick's film was a big cipher that left AC Clark the job of explaining. Okay, enough. But I couldn't find a better group to pose this question. P.S. Or was it 25 years after Chappaquidick?

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Cypherpunks in WIRED
by Brian D Williams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- There is a great article in the August (2.08) Wired on Satellite Pirates, we are mentioned as well as PGP... Exerpt from wired issue 2.08 August " Satellite Pirates" Lesson Number Four: Encryption protects little guys better then big guys. When a scrambled TV signal is sent to millions of decoder modules, that signal becomes easy pickings. When two individuals exchange a brief encrypted message, that message is relativly secure. Video pirates have started test running PGP (Pretty Good Privacy, the "peoples encryption software") to protect private messages that they exchange via their bulletin boards. This doesn't just put the pirates on equal terms with the programmers, it gives them an edge. Cypherpunks have promoted PGP as protection from a potential state, while the Clinton administration sees it as more of a threat to law and order. Evidently, both sides are correct, but there no point in arguing about it anymore. The genie is out of the bottle. This article is highly recommended! The two principles in the story operate out of the Bahamas, they distribute the "magic codes" through a nationwide series of BBS's. The "Chipped" decoders are set to dial there local BBS! reaching for my eyepatch and a bottle of rum! Brian Williams Extropian Cypherpatriot "Cryptocosmology: Sufficently advanced communication is indistinguishable from noise." --Steve Witham "Have you ever had your phones tapped by the government? YOU WILL and the company that'll bring it to you.... AT&T" --James Speth -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLi6A9tCcBnAsu2t1AQFdhAP6AwtUkFZJjZmDqotMs+GZuYWy5TspMOJ/ EBvitiLnSAiAfSIRK6JvBp8dUTmV1mIW6eDvBx/itGOTb/Ne3wChZYMB0bDaYTMb 1ajxbWX8w/ojthsnFZ++GmifB/EAJxHrHzgx6pQPRoPXieJSb15DYNat/OPmEArt s1dHe4uduHc= =E61m -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Computer snoopers
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The NY Times today has long Peter Lewis article on computer snooping at military sites. It makes an interesting counterpoint to the NY Times article today on Clipper's ostensible travails. Many klaxons tooted about lack of security on Internet: Quote: This is the place where the first information Chernobyl will happen. Quote: . . . raised the specter of information assassins, highly skilled programmers who work for foreign governments, rival corporations or organized crime, who exploit computer security weaknesses to manipulate the stock market, hide drug-money transactions, or destroy the data bases of financial instiutions. Quote: There are people coming onto the net who don't have the same high ideals and goals, and who are willing to abuse the rights of others. I have likened it to selling swamp land in Florida for vacation homes. And more on how lack of security relates to national encryption policy and issues.

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Re: *comeon
by gtoal＠an-teallach.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > We are sick of [...] > > We also do not like [...] > > We would be quite pleased by [...] > Thank you for speaking up for us. > Unfortunately you got it wrong. Unless you were using the archaic royal > "we". Or unless you just forgot to say what "we" you were talking about. Seconded. Gary Jeffers does not speak for me. Tim May does not speak for me. Roger Bryner most certainly does not speak for me. L.Detweiler not only doesn't speak for me, he doesn't even speak for himself :-) The only person who speaks for me here is me, and I'd like to keep it that way. Also (not related to the postings above) whenever anyone speaks to the press, *please* try to convey you're a member of this list speaking personally, and not speaking for the list. Even if the journalist deliberately ignores you when he writes it up, I'd like folks to make the effort first. G

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Clipper Chip retreat
by Hal Abelson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From tomorrow's NYT: type: NYT (Copyright 1994 The New York Times) priority: Urgent date: 07-20-94 2114EDT category: Financial subject: BC CLIPPER CHIP RETREAT title: ADMINISTRATION REVERSES ITSLEF ON WIRETAPPING TECHNOLOGY author: JOHN MARKOFF text: In an abrupt and significant reversal, the Clinton administration indicated Wednesday that it was willing to consider alternatives to its Clipper chip wiretapping technology, which has been widely criticized by industry executives and privacy-rights groups. ... I'll leave it to someone else to post the entire article, but the gist is that Gore sent a letter to Maria Cantwell saying that the administration is willing to consider alternatives to Clipper that are based upon nonclassified algrithms, and where the escrow agents are not government agencies. They still insist on an escrow system, however. There's a quote from Marc Rotenberg saying that the escorw requirement is still unacceptable.

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remailer list
by nate＠VIS.ColoState.EDU 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Where can I finger for a list of remailers? fingering ghio(a)andrew.cmu.edu says to finger remailer-list(a)chaos.bsu.edu and that account does not exist. -nate

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