December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Carol Anne Whoever
by jrochkin＠cs.oberlin.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I don't care very much about Carol Anne whoever. I don't care very much about her plight. I have received just enough information about her plight (via this list, oddly enough), to know that I don't have enough information to tell who I agree with in this dispute. I don't particularly want to get enough information to do that, because I don't care. If I did care, I would get the information through some other method then this list, because it seems completely inappropriate. The merits of netcom vs. smaller services seem irrelevant to this list, too, in my mind, and I don't care to see those either. If you were wondering. I also don't care to see 10 or 20 posts a day by Carol Anne Whoever which are resposes to random crypto-related posts wherein the whole post is quoted, and then Carol Anne adds "me too!", or "Does that remind you of a certain sysadmin? giggle, giggle.", or "Good point!" I am at a loss as to why Carol Anne thinks the details of her life, and her inane "me too"s are of interest to the cypherpunks list. I guess we can't stop Carol Anne from sending this stuff to the list anyways (but I can killfile her), but it would be nice if people would stop responding to her stuff. Obviously if you really feel it's an appropriate use of the list to do so anyway, I can't stop you. I'm just asking you to for purely selfish reasons, so I don't feel the need to killfile people who make otherwise intelligent posts, and miss those posts. [I'm beginning to suspect that Carol Anne, and her sysadmin too, are just tentacles of Detweiler.]

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Re: Outlawing Anonymity
by No Taxes through No Government 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

TC May writes: >I see no prospect whatsover that a ban on anonymous mail could be >implemented, enforced, or upheld in the courts. Never say never. Even coming from Tim, this surprises me just a little. Never think that government won't do something. The effectiveness of their 'solution' may be minimal, but billions can be wasted, and countless lives ruined, before it can be stopped (or more likely, dammed; once government achieves power, it is loath to relinquish it without a death struggle). Some nation's groups of 'leader'-thugs may be in a better position than others to go for such a power grab at this moment in time. But any and all of them should be constantly scrutinized for the inevitable slide down that slippery slope. The "article" by our pal Martha which the SF Chronicle had the poor judgment and atrociously swollen cojones to publish, is one of the most dramatically explicit warning signs of the year so far... and NOT because the year is yet so young. And to think, Tim used to be the pessimist on this list, saved only by the reassurances of Duncan and Sandy... :-S

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Too Much!
by Brian Lane 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Yet again I have un-subbed from the list because of the S/N ratio. And things were looking so good there for a while. Advice to Carol Ann: Take your crusade to e-mail. Brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Everyone is a prisoner holding their own key." | finger blane(a)seanet.com -- Journey | PGP 2.6 email accepted ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Files and mail
by Carol Anne Braddock 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear Mr. Horwath, A written reply will suffice. You have my permission to make all of my files world readable. You can put them in the ftp site. Upon receipt of notice, they will be removed within 24 hours, and you will recieve a signed PGP statement with the new key, stating that the files have been removed. Other Winternet users have already gone to my defense, and copied all of the world readable material anyway. And the whole account might as well be, too. Please do not forward any mail here. You will better serve yourself bouncing the letter back to the sender and informing them of my new address. If I find forwarded mail in my mailbox, I will print hard copies and visit the Attorney General's Office and file a complaint under the Stalking laws of the State of Minnesota. And please...deactivate my WWW pages. I was astounded to find out that during the suspension, they continued to remain active, as I learned in the office Wednesday. That was (and still is) stealing my net.web.goodwill, and creating a falsehood amongst other users. My WWW Pages have found a nice, new, warm sunny home in Austin, Texas. I spent six full hours making a personal appearance, at great personal expense, to the Winternet Office to resolve the situation. My original reply still sits in suspended composition in my mailer. I wasted not a nano-second in preparing my reply to the posting. In legal point of fact, the poster is violation of Minnesota State Law. He has no legal jurisdiction whatsoever. I did not take days to "investigate", nor cite that other things such as "my machines being hacked" and "I'll do it when I'm ready to do it,". I was a simple complaint. It had no validity. Crossposting an article to .1% of the Usenet News Groups does not by the very statistic constitute spam. (And I own two shares of Hormel Corp, so I do know what SPAM (tm) is. As was pointed out in alt.current-affairs.net-abuse The complainer didn't fully read said article. It was timely.(and still is) The crossposting wasn't wasting resources. It is of no one's concern the actual groups posted. They have the right and ability to respond. I asked for no money. I did not stand to profit by the posting. The person who started the whole thing was pretty heavily chastised, by the readers of his own news group. A fast "K" was all that any individual needed for this article. No, Mr. Horwath, you are "way out-of-bounds" this time. And as the time cronology unveils itself, I am sure that will be shown to be a very truthful, factual statement. Dangerous precedents were set here. I will not rest until the whole of the Internet knows and is aware of the situation. Signed Carol Anne Braddock Friday January 6th, 1995 9:40 A.M. On Fri, 6 Jan 1995, Mike Horwath wrote: > You are welcome to your files and mail, I will pack everything up for > you as you left it, including your FTP area. > > I expect you to try to reach me today in the afternoon at my office and > I will fully explain why your account was deleted, with full detail as > to why. > > I do appreciate the work you did on the shirts for Winternet. I don't > appreciate the harassment you have already tried to bring upon me. > > When we talk, I think you might understand why this was done. If you do > not, then I feel bad, as I must then not be making myself clear. But > no matter what, this was policy that you chose to break even after I > had talked to you about it. More on this when we talk. > > Good luck at your new provider, Larry Leone is an old user of mine and > seems to be a good guy, even if a little quiet on the newsgroups :) > > A copy of this letter is also going to your new admin so that he knows > what is going on. > > Larry, Carol Anne was using about 11.5MB of disk that will be moving > over from Winternet to MM. > > Also, how have you been anyway? Been awhile since I saw you. Oh, and > could you install identd on your system? Get back to me on anything, > or with questions. > > -- > Mike Horwath IRC: Drechsau LIFE: Lover drechsau(a)winternet.com > Winternet: info(a)winternet.com root(a)jacobs.mn.org <- Linux! > Twin Cities area Internet Access: 612-941-9177 for more info > Founding member of Minnesota Coalition for Internet Accessibility >

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procnail
by Nesta Stubbs 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

in response to the recent barrage of nonsensical bullshit here, I was wondering if anyone knew the archive site or procmail, the mail filtering program? I think this is a good time to school everyone in the basics of Killfiles. I have never wanted to killfile a person before, this is a big step for me. 8) i want to know everything http://www.mcs.com/~nesta/home.html i want to be everywhere Nesta's Home Page i want to fuck everyone in the world & i want to do something that matters /-/ a s t e zine

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Remailers, Linux, & Help ...
by root 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi all, Normaly I use(d) 'ravage(a)bga.com' to access this list but the times they are a changin' ... I have successfuly gotten my network at home on Internet via a ISDN link. We are interested in setting up a remailer which among other things supports anonymity. If anybody has experience or learned input on doing this under Linux please contact me. A reminder that RoboFest 6 in Austin, TX will occur this year on April 1 & 2. If there are any c-punks interested in giving a talk or doing demo's then please contact me. If any of you folks are in the area then stop by and say Hi. I will be working at the Wired Society booth. Take care!

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Re: Peter D. Lewis
by nissim＠acs.bu.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm unfamiliar with what it is people have against Kevin Kelly. Why "wanton scum"? people might want to send mail not cc:ed to cypherpunks to keep the list from experiencing too much of a burden here. -A

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Peter D. Lewis
by L. Todd Masco 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Culled from a columbia newsgroup: >WIRED magazine now has a "Peter Lewis Prize for Bad Internet >Reporting". Check out: http://www.hotwired.com/Signal/Flux/ where >they announce the prize each week. Also read the story how Reuters >muffed up the Microsoft/Catholic Church reporting. You know it's bad when WIRED accuses you of bad reporting. - -- Todd Masco | "life without caution/ the only worth living / love for a man/ cactus(a)hks.net | love for a woman/ love for the facts/ protectless" - A Rich Cactus' Homepage - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBLw3l5yoZzwIn1bdtAQHYmwGAmV97gzR8Tcl4b5iWMtRSbxUGKGFjEErS CNbc4fIyVrRnpUg55T8PSB9RktUn/I5K =OK63 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: sniff passwords on PC (DOS)
by pstemari＠erinet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:00 AM 1/6/95 CST, m00012(a)KANGA.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU wrote: > ... It does not work after starting windows. Not sure, but it seems obvious >that MS windows installs it's own keyboard interrupt. ... True, but it's fairly simple to write a program that loads itselfs in win.ini and also hooks the keyboard messages from Windows. --Paul J. Ste. Marie pstemari(a)well.sf.ca.us, pstemari(a)erinet.com

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Re: public vs. private replies
by cactus＠seabsd.hks.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In article <199501060807.DAA22166(a)bb.hks.net>, L. McCarthy <lmccarth(a)ducie.cs.umass.edu> wrote: >Tim May writes: >> In my opinion, having personal access >> to past posts is several orders of magnitude more important than >> having MIDI-MIME JPEG-II TeX players [...] > >It takes more disk space from one's personal quota, though (for those who >suffer under such restrictions). :[ All posts to cypherpunks since June '94 are available by ftp from ftp.hks.net:/cypherpunks/nntp/cypherpunks. They are also available via nntp from nntp.hks.net:hks.lists.cypherpunks. I'd be glad to put a search engine of some sort on them, either by Web or by mailserver, if someone can suggest a reasonable way to index the whole lot. - - -- Todd Masco | "life without caution/ the only worth living / love for a man/ cactus(a)hks.net | love for a woman/ love for the facts/ protectless" - A Rich Cactus' Homepage - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBLw2LTRNhgovrPB7dAQEDNwP/QTydu0Tp68ytNupes18WU+uv159GJJfE Wy+3iLxj+9rbPJwEKBZlXqhkfV7pf4nK9wNwiwNR4ZF13zpCAljWPhw3BEgNM4Xj Ity2GWLb8s7PBMplc+ggTQ4LowMYGqoO/e1pBWH3joFCuv11owkf+ZmbvTSZgU7h l07wq41l2L0= =Ao+S - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBLw3GJCoZzwIn1bdtAQFdVAF8DB7xxjzPgHNj2Eil0zEuLKj8SofCLFAs HBdXBN2fFjT5mNwnKh5a4T1R1Dv0Zp/c =6bFr -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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