December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

NSA Clipper Interview in WSJ
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Catch the great interview with Clinton Brooks, "the NSA scientist who led the so-called Clipper Chip project" which started in 1989. Page B1 of today's WSJ. DCF

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Re: CLIPPER CHIP ON LIMBAUGH
by gtoal＠an-teallach.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

: You obviously don't understand much of the "loud-mouthed ass's psychology." : Limbaugh is very anti-statist and if he had a position on the issue : there's a good change it would be anti-clipper. Last time I checked, : the clipper's biggest supporters were Clinton and Gore, who aren't exactly : Rush's favorite people. Oh, I just meant that by all reports he seems to be driven to disagree with anyone who tries to get him to espouse their favourite pet cause, and that perhaps some kindergarten reverse psychology might be more effective... G

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Profiles and DTII
by VACCINIA＠UNCVX1.OIT.UNC.EDU 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I would like to offer up a scenario which I have heard allusions to, but has not been concretely spelled out. It is admittedly farfetched, but not out of the realm of possibility. Imagine a room full of Cray XMP's running an AI program developed ala FinCen, NSA etc. This program can obtain "setup" information (because DTII has passed) without need for even a warrant. The program detects certain patterns of information transfer (phone, Net, whatever) that it deems suspicious. Suspects are then "explored" further. What kind of computing power would it take to implement complete survailence on say, Washington, D.C.? This system is very similar to how law enforcement agents now patrol the nations highways. People fitting a certain profile are detained by the police, and searched. Has it been determined if such search and seizures are legal? I recently wrote to NBC to inform them of what the detection of their calling patterns (in real time) could mean to the confidentiality of their sources. How many people would commit sensitive information to the media knowing that they could be easily monitered? It should be constantly pointed out to the media that they have a great deal to lose by passage of DTII, Clipper et al. The information exchange business could easily be coerced by Gov't in the near future. Just a few ramblings I wanted to get off my chest. Scott G. Morham !The First, Vaccinia(a)uncvx1.oit.unc.edu ! Second PGP Public Keys by Request ! and Third Levels ! of Information Storage and Retrieval !DNA, ! Biological Neural Nets, ! Cyberspace -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLY+olT2paOMjHHAhAQFDrAP/Qnok1TUHx06MG3oc72So39OkJyVCFph6 yMzeHWw65MfarOy12KcB2ASx0XCX5/q1xMocVKIsNMrqnwA018gzUuOzUUrcVp1I DKqHaBkfcfFkoJ+S3DJQnpXIKw2qjH27dKqsyPLEmH5cripaSSK5xswakwY6mJIu /cKMMXCMCvU= =Yaym -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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PGP for OS/2
by Stanton McCandlish 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Just got word there's a 32-bit OS/2 version of PGP in Compu$erve's OS/2 forum library. I'll leave it to the PGP archiving folks to go snag it. -- Stanton McCandlish * mech(a)eff.org * Electronic Frontier Found. OnlineActivist "In a Time/CNN poll of 1,000 Americans conducted last week by Yankelovich Partners, two-thirds said it was more important to protect the privacy of phone calls than to preserve the ability of police to conduct wiretaps. When informed about the Clipper Chip, 80% said they opposed it." - Philip Elmer-Dewitt, "Who Should Keep the Keys", TIME, Mar. 14 1994

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Re: FWD: RIPEM/SIG - Worldwide Digital Signature Software
by Christopher Allen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 9:23 PM 3/21/94 -0800, Christopher Allen wrote: >At 12:21 AM 3/19/94 -0700, mdbomber(a)w6yx.stanford.edu wrote: > >I tried turning RIPEM Mac loose on this message and it complains about a > >garbled Originator Certificate, then complains that it does not appear > >to be a PEM/RIPEM message. > > > >Did anyone else get this to work? > >I've tested this further - like you I can't seem to verify the press >release using RIPEM Mac. However, I did find someone with the RIPEM 1.2 >software installed and it does verify with that software. > >I've sent a copy to Ray Lau, the author of RIPEM Mac, as I know that he is >working on incorporating the features of RIPEM 1.2 in the next version of >RIPEM Mac. I did send a report to Ray Lau, the author of RIPEM Mac. This is his response: At 11:13 PM 3/22/94 -0500, raylau(a)MIT.EDU wrote: >I've figured out the problem. > >Jim did indeed change his keypair for RIPEM 1.2 so the forged msg. is >because the keypair in the pubkeys file on rpub.cl.msu.edu is outdated. > >Also, since RIPEM 1.2 now supports certificates, but because it is not >fully PEM compliant, it uses a certificate in a RIPEM 2001 (not PEM 4) >msg. proc-type. I have not had the chance to update RIPEM Mac to >recognize certificates within the 2001 proc type yet. > >So, that is the gist of it. > > -Ray ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ..Christopher Allen Consensus Development Corporation.. ..<consensus(a)netcom.com> 4104-24th Street #419.. .. San Francisco, CA 94114-3615.. .. o415/647-6383 f415/647-6384.. ..Mosaic/World-Wide-Web Front Door: .. ..ftp://netcom7.netcom.com/pub/consensus/www/ConsensusFrontDoor.html ..

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Re: Where to find RIPEM/SIG (an exportable version of RIPEM)
by wcs＠anchor.ho.att.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A slightly older version of ripem can also be found on rsa.com, with much less complicated access (you read a readme file which tells you the rules, and tells you to cd to a random-named directory); you don't need to get an account there or sign anything. It's also got RSAREF, of course, and does have the latest version of that. I assume they'll get current RIPEM there soon, and maybe RIPEM-SIG.

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How to control the Internet.
by Bradley W. Dolan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From: Blanc Weber <blancw(a)microsoft.com> >To: bdolan(a)well.sf.ca.us >Date: Mon, 21 Mar 94 09:49:56 PST >Subject: RE: How to control Internet? Buy it! >Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com >Status: R >>I'm having a nightmare about a Microsoft-like domination of global >>communications, complete with SPA police, etc. >>................................. >Unlike the government, Microsoft and McCaw Cellular both depend upon a >customer-driven market for their acceptance. They must convince their >customers that they are better than the competition in providing a >similar service; they must adjust this service to the customer's >requests & preferences or lose the account. >Blanc That's the way it's supposed to be. What happens in practice - not specifically with Microsoft or McCaw [I don't want to hear from the platoons of lawyers. ;-)] - is that the big guys run down to Washington, pull a few strings, make a few contributions, and ask the government to use its resources and force to ensure that the corporate-desired outcome results. I remember when patents and copyrights were _privileges_ granted to encourage creativity and there was no such thing as "intellectual _property_". I remember a time when the idea of a royalty-tax on blank tapes to pay for presumed copyright infringement was regarded as crazy. bdolan(a)well.sf.ca.us

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Re: CLIPPER CHIP ON LIMBAUGH
by wcs＠anchor.ho.att.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Limbaugh does occasionally think rather than just knee-jerking, though he does claim to broadcast with half his brain tied behind his back :-) He's not so much anti-statist overall as he is anti-Liberal; on positions where the rightwing is statist and the left is non-statist, he seems to run about 50-50. He's distinctly pro-military, and generally pro-police, so having him come out against Clipper is not a given (and would be less likely to have happened if Bush had still been President when it was announced...) But it's good that he's against it; having a bunch of dittoheads sending mail to the whitehouse telling them to drop this nonsense can't hurt. Bill

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Netcom's mail queue
by northrop＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: CLIPPER CHIP ON LIMBAUGH
by joshua geller 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Limbaugh does occasionally think rather than just knee-jerking, > though he does claim to broadcast with half his brain tied behind his back :-) > He's not so much anti-statist overall as he is anti-Liberal; > on positions where the rightwing is statist and the left is non-statist, > he seems to run about 50-50. he seems to toe the republican party line pretty closely, usually. there aren't too many actual conservatives out there, if you think about it. bill buckley. barry goldwater (but he's old). josh

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