December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: USENET on a tape
by Alexander Chislenko 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jeremy Porter writes: > ... Usenet traffic being rated at some 21gigabytes a year > (traffic through UUnet) considering the low information value > of the vast majority of it, no one will be interested in storing it. Wait a minute... How much would it cost to store all this info? a few hundred thousand dollars a year? This seems to be the cheapest (per byte) archiving opportunity in the history of civilization; storage cost is many orders of magnitude lower than the efforts spent creating this info. Many times as much is spent on archaeological/historical research projects that 1) can wait and 2) get much, much, much less information, while the hugest ever information traffic disappears without a trace. This is unbelievable! Apart from regular merits of any archive and far-fetching perspectives of Internet archives becoming a part of global intelligence, this traffic can be invaluable for studies of evolution of languages and subcultures, development of particular concepts, detailed biographical material (there are many historical figures whose biographical data collection took a lot more resources than is needed to store all net traffic), and so much more... In general, I would expect that if people spent a 1000 dollars worth of efforts to write messages, it should be worth it to spend another penny to store them forever... It's likely, though, that some agencies do keep full net archives; if even not, much of the traffic may be recoverable from partial archives scattered all over the world; the attempt will sure be made some day - but at what cost? > In usenet no one can hear you scream... :-( ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Alexander Chislenko | sasha(a)cs.umb.edu | Cambridge, MA | (617) 864-3382 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: USENET on a tape
by jon＠balder.us.dell.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Alexander Chislenko <sasha(a)cs.umb.edu> writes: > Jeremy Porter writes: > > > ... Usenet traffic being rated at some 21gigabytes a year > > (traffic through UUnet) considering the low information value > > of the vast majority of it, no one will be interested in storing it. > > Wait a minute... > How much would it cost to store all this info? > a few hundred thousand dollars a year? Exabyte is coming out with a 25gb 8mm drive, so storing all that traffic for a year will cost you about $8.95. :-) Jon -- ,,, (o o) Jon Boede ----ooO-(_)-Ooo---- jon(a)dell.com +1 512 728-4802 Engineering, Dell Computer Corp. Server OS Development Austin, TX "When I was 10, mean old man Miller's house burned down. We put home plate where his toilet once stood -- his garden became our center field... and in these ways the laws of karma were revealed."

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HoHoCon 93 : Final Update
by Drunkfux 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[Final Update - December 1, 1993] [Please see the Miscellaneous Notes section for new information] (Distribute Freely) dFx, Phrack Magazine and cDc - Cult Of The Dead Cow proudly present : The Fourth Annual H O H O C O N "Cliff Stoll My K0DEZ!@$#!" Who: All Hackers, Journalists, Security Personnel, Federal Agents, Lawyers, Authors, Cypherpunks, Virtual Realists, Modem Geeks, Telco Employees, and Other Interested Parties. Where: Austin North Hilton & Towers and Super 8 Motel 6000 Middle Fiskville Road Austin, Texas 78752 U.S.A. Hilton : (800) 347-0330 / (512) 451-5757 Super 8: (800) 800-8000 / (512) 467-8163 When: Friday December 17 through Sunday December 19, 1993 What is HoHoCon? ---------------- HoHoCon is the largest annual gathering of those in, related to, or wishing to know more about the computer underground. Attendees generally include some of the most notable members of the "hacking" and "telecom" community, journalists, authors, security professionals, lawyers, and a host of others. Previous speakers include John Draper (Cap'n Crunch), Ray Kaplan, Chris Goggans (Erik Bloodaxe), Bruce Sterling, and many more. The conference is also one of the very few that is completely open to the public and we encourage anyone who is interested to attend. Hotel Information ----------------- The Austin North Hilton recently split its complex into two seperate hotels; the Hilton and the newly added Super 8. HoHoCon guests have the choice of staying in either hotel. Group rates are as followed : Super 8: Single - $46.50, Double - $49.50, Triple - $52.50, Quad - $55.50 Hilton : Single - $69.00, Double - $79.00, Triple - $89.00, Quad - $99.00 Once again, the hotel has set aside a block of rooms for the conference and we recommend making your reservations as early as possible to guarantee a room within the block, if not to just guarantee a room period. Rooms for the handicapped are available upon request. To make your reservations, call the the number listed above that corresponds with where you are and where you want to stay and make sure you tell them you are with the HoHoCon conference or else you'll end up throwing more money away. The hotel accepts American Express, Visa, Master Card, Discover, Diner's Club, and Carte Blanche credit cards. Check-in is 3:00 p.m. and check-out is 12:00 noon. Earlier check-in is available if there are unoccupied rooms available. Please note that in order for the hotel to hold a room past 6:00 p.m. on the date of arrival, the individual reservation must be secured by a deposit or guaranteed with one of the credit cards listed above. Also, any cancellations of guaranteed reservations must be made prior to 6:00 p.m. on the date of arrival. You will be responsible for full payment of any guaranteed reservations which are not cancelled by this time. The hotel provides transportaton to and from the airport and will give you full information when you make your reservations. Directions ---------- For those of you who will be driving to the conference, the following is a list of directions provided by the hotel (so, if they're wrong, don't blame me): Dallas : Take IH 35 south to exit 238-B, the Houston exit. At the first stop light, turn right on to 2222. Turn off of 2222 onto Clayton Lane (by the Greyhound Station). At the stop sign, turn right onto Middle Fiskville, the hotel is on the left. San Antonio : Take IH 35 north to exit 238-B, the Houston exit. At the second stop light, turn left onto 2222. Turn off 2222 onto Clayton Lane (by the Greyhoud Station). At the stop sign, turn right onto Middle Fiskville, the hotel is on the left. Houston (on 290) : Take 290 west into Austin. Exit off of 290 at the IH35 exit (do not get on 35). Stay on the access road heading west, you will pass two stop lights. Turn off the access road onto Clayton Lane (by the Greyhound Station). At the stop sign, turn right onto Middle Fiskville, the hotel is on the left. Houston (on 71) : Take 71 west into Austin. Exit onto 183 north. Take 183 north to 290 west. Take 290 west to the IH 35 exit. Exit off of 290 at the IH 35 exit (do not get on 35). Stay on the access road heading west, you will pass two stop lights. Turn off the access road onto Clayton Lane (by the Greyhound Stattion). At the stop sign, turn right onto Middle Fiskville, the hotel in on the left. Airport : Exit the airport parking lot and turn right onto Manor Road. Take Manor Road to Airport Boulevard and turn right. Take Airport Boulevard to IH 35 north. Take IH 35 to exit 238-B. At the second stop light, turn left onto 2222. Turn off of 2222 onto Clayton Lane (by the Greyhound Station). At the stop sign, turn right onto Middle Fiskville, the hotel is on the left. Call the hotel if these directions aren't complete enough or if you need additional information. Conference Details __________________ HoHoCon will last 3 days, with the actual conference being held on Saturday, December 18 starting at 10:00 a.m. and continuing until 5 p.m. or earlier depending on the number of speakers. The following is a proposed time table and speaker/topic list : 10:00 - Introduction 10:15 - Ray Kaplan Implementation of an Intrusion Tracking and Vulnerability Reporting Database To Hack or not to Hack - This is NOT the question 11:00 - Bruce Sterling (*) 11:15 - Cryptography Panel : Jim McCoy, Doug Barnes, John Draper A general introduction to crypto, including methods and history Current crypto debates and discussions : Clipper, Exports, etc. The importance of cryptography/encryption Q&A : Legal notes provided by Steve Ryan and other lawyers. 12:00 - John Draper (Cap'n Crunch) Hacking and Phreaking in the USSR - Part 2 The Rave Scene / Draper's Dance Demonstration More interesting stories from the old days Exercise Tips / Fun with Towels 1:30 - Steve Jackson (We're not exactly sure what Steve will be speaking on, but my guess is that the SJG case and io.com will bth be covered) 2:00 - Intermission 2:30 - Raffle 2:45 - Chris Goggans (Erik Bloodaxe) Goggans' Guide to Gifs Where to find the good stuff : A introduction to FSP Why I love Germany and the Netherlands PoP/FoF : Purveyours of Porn / Followers of Filth (Actually, we have no earthly idea what he's speaking on) 3:30 - Lex Luthor The LoD Com project 3:45 - Darren McKeeman How to turn a computer conviction into a journalism career 4:15 - DJKC (*) Why printing out /etc/passwd can be a bad idea, aKa How I got kicked out of school 4:45 - Onkeld (Stefan) The European scene / Current happenings An intorduction to BlueBEEP 5:00 - Steve Ryan Legalities for 94 / Your rights EFH - Electronic Frontier Houston Legal Q&A 5:30 - Beavis & Butt-Head This conference sucks A (*) denotes that these speakers are not 100% confirmed as of yet, but there is a very good chance they will be speaking. There will also be more speakers added during the conference. We are still taking submissions, so if you would like to speak during the conference, please mail us as soon as possible and include a brief outline of what you would like to speak on and a rough estimate of how long you will need. We would like to have people bring interesting items and videos again this year. If you have anything you think people would enjoy having the chance to see, please let us know ahead of time, and tell us if you will need any help getting it to the conference. If all else fails, just bring it to the con and give it to us when you arrive. Any organization or individual that wants to bring flyers to distribute during the conference may do so. You may also send your flyers to us ahead of time if you can not make it to the conference and we will distribute them for you. Left over flyers are included with information packets and orders that we send out, so if you want to send extras, go ahead. Cost ---- Unlike smaller, less informative conferences, we do not ask you to shell out hundreds of dollars just to get in the door, nor do we take your money and then make you sleep in a tent. We are maintaining the motto of "give $5 if you can", but due to the incredibly high conference room rate this year, we may step up to "$5 minimum required donation" or "give us $5 or we'll smash your head in". Five dollars is an outrageously low price compared to the suit infested industry conferences or even the new "Cons are k00l and trendy, I gotta do one too!" conferences that are charging up to $50 for admission alone. To encourage people to donate, we will once again be having our wonderless "Raffle For The Elite" during the conference. Miscellaneous Notes ------------------- Video cameras will *NOT* be allowed inside the conference room, except for the people who have received prior consent to film. Still photos are fine as each speaker will announce whether he or she minds them being taken. The minimum required donation is $5. This basically means that there is a definite cover charge this year. Everyone who attends will receive one raffle ticket with more available for an additional cost. Anyone who whines about the door cost will be severly beaten with a bat. Raffle prizes include two computer systems (one is a brand new Packard Bell 486 and the other is a complete package with monitor and printer), one flip phone and one brick phone, an autographed copy of Guy Kawasaki's "Computer Curmudgeon", "Terminal Compromise" by Winn Schwartau, 6 tapes (36 hours) of poorly edited cheesy hotel porn, an autographed 'Dazed & Confused' velvet black-light poster, subscriptions to major and not so major computer/telecommunications magazines, assorted t-shirts and videos, and numerous other items including those we don't know of yet. Although nobody will ever believe this until they see it, one of the major prizes this year is a 4x4 Jeep used by Brandon and Brenda Walsh (Jason Priestly and Shannen Dougherty) of Beverly Hills 90210. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, we are giving away a BRAND NEW CAR. The starting time of the conference has changed from 11:00 a.m. to 10:00 a.m. Keep this in mind when pondering whether or not to down yet another bottle of Wild Turkey or Mad Dog 20/20 on Friday night. HoHoCon '93 shirts, as well as last year's video and a new version of the I Love Feds shirt, will be available during the conference. The shirts are $15 and the video is $20. We have also added XXL for all you big folks. If you are unable to attend the conference and wish to obtain any of these items, you may either mail us for more information or send a check or money order payable to O.I.S. to the address listed below. Include $3 per order (not per item) for shipping. For those who have been asking, I do not expect it to be too cold during the conference. The weather has been fairly nice as of late. Due to a major hard disk crash, Metalland Southwest (the HoHoCon BBS) is down until further notice. Please mail us if you would like information There will be a small, all female S&M/Bondage presentation on Saturday night in one of the hospitality suites. Please bring numerous one dollar bills. Also, keep this in mind when considering purchasing the HoHoCon 93 video. Peter Shipley and John Draper have expressed interest in exchanging PGP keys with other attendess this year. If you wish to partake in this activity, bring your key along with you, preferably on a IBM/MS-DOS floppy. Those of you driving from Houston that wish to join to HoHoConvoy which leaves for Austin on Friday morning should call the HoHoCon VMB and leave a message with a contact number. By attending the conference, you are consenting to being filmed and photographed and having your ugly likeness used in any fashion I deem appropriate. The HoHoCon sluggo mail address has changed slightly. Due to mail constantly being delivered to the wrong box or being returned because slight addressing mistakes, the box number has been removed and an attention line added. If you have had problems mailing us recently, try again with the new address listed below. Correspondence -------------- If anyone requires any additional information, needs to ask any questions, wants to RSVP, wants to order anything, or would like to be added to the mailing list to receive the HoHoCon updates, you may mail us at: hohocon(a)cypher.com drunkfux(a)cypher.com cDc(a)cypher.com drunkfux(a)crimelab.com dfx(a)nuchat.sccsi.com drunkfux@5285 (WWIV Net) or via sluggo mail at: O.I.S. ATTN: HoHoCon 1310 Tulane Houston, Texas 77008-4106 We also have a VMB which includes all the conference information and is probably the fastest way to get updated reports. The number is: 713-867-9544 Those of you with net access can ftp to cypher.com and find all the HoHoCon information available in /pub/hohocon. The .gifs from previous cons are *not* currently online. Same stupid ending statement from last year to make us look good ---------------------------------------------------------------- HoHoCon '93 will be a priceless learning experience for professionals and gives journalists a chance to gather information and ideas direct from the source. It is also one of the very few times when all the members of the computer underground can come together for a realistic purpose. We urge people not to miss out on an event of this caliber, which doesn't happen very often. If you've ever wanted to meet some of the most famous people from the hacking community, this may be your one and only chance. Don't wait to read about it in all the magazines and then wish you had been there, make your plans to attend now! Be a part of what we hope to be our largest and greatest conference ever.

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RSA's phone number
by norm＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Can someone give me RSA's Phone number?

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Cypherpunks-related Cartoons
by cfrye＠ciis.mitre.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A thought struck me yesterday (minimal damage as I saw it coming): we should collect references to/copies of Cypherpunks-related cartoons to have on hand as a tool for spreading the word about electronic privacy. For example, I saw a Calvin & Hobbes (last week?) where Calvin's dad bought a book by cash so the store couldn't track his purchasing habits; Hobbes' comment in the last frame was something like: "He's being dragged kicking and screaming into the information age, eh?" There's also the _New Yorker_ one with "On the Internet, no one knows you're a dog." and a few Bloom County's from 1987(???) that feature "secret writing". This set is perhaps best summed up by the following (paraphrased) exchange between Opus and Portenoy, the ground hog: Frame 1: Portenoy: Opus, you're an UKRL head. Opus: (Looks startled.) Frame 2: Portenoy: (Looks happy/relieved) I've always wanted to say that! Frame 3: Portenoy: This freedom to say what we want is the true meaning of the First Amendment! I for one love it! (Walks toward horizon) Frame 4: Opus: (Watches Portenoy depart, turns to address reader over left shoulder) That doesn't change the fact that I'm an UKRL head. Anyone else have references to other relevant cartoons? I'll keep a list and would be happy to post it whenever there is a significant number of new entries. -- Best regards, Curtis D. Frye cfrye(a)ciis.mitre.org "If you think I speak for MITRE, I'll tell you how much they pay me and make you feel foolish."

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Re: Cypherpunks-related Cartoons
by jim＠bilbo.suite.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Great idea! I'll keep an eye out. I have a "Calvin and Hobbes" taped to the wall next to my workstation that is perhaps remotely related to things Cypherpunk. It is more closely related to technology in general. Anyways, it goes something like this... [Calvin and Hobbes are walking through the woods] Calvin: "You know, Hobbes, it seems the only time most people go outside is to walk to their cars. "We have houses, electricity, plumbing, heat...Maybe we're so sheltered and comfortable that we've lost touch with the natural world and forgotten our place in it. Maybe we've lost our awe of nature. "That's why I want to ask you, as a tiger, a wild animal close to nature, what you think we're put on earth to do. What's our purpose in life? Why are we here?" Hobbes: [contemplates] "We're here to devour each other alive." Calvin: [stunned/blank look on his face, runs into his house] "Turn on the lights! Turn up the heat!" Jim_Miller(a)suite.com

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unsubscribe me please
by Peter H. B. Frelinghuysen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

After trying cypherpunks-request(a)toad.com without success, I ask: please unsubscribe me from this list. Thank You

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Unsubscribe
by Michael Ogden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

After numerous attempts at cypherpunks-request(a)toad.com (but to no avail) Please unsubscribe me from this list.... Its been a hoot!

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Re: Cypherpunks-related Cartoons
by jim＠bilbo.suite.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Here are a couple of software-related cartoons. They don't directly relate to things Cypherpunk, but Cypherpunks may still find them humorous. The origin of the first one is lost in the mist of time. My copy is a n-th generation photocopy of a photocopy. It goes like this: A woman and two children are standing beside a fresh grave site. It is pouring rain and they are huddled under an umbrella. A man standing next to them asks..."I know this may be an awkward time, but do you recall him ever mentioning source code?" The second cartoon is by Scott Adams and is dated 9-8-1992. It was distributed by United Feature Syndicate, Inc. I don't remember were I got my copy. It goes like this: [Three older-looking geeky engineer types are sitting at a table, presumably taking their lunch break.] Geek #1: When I started programming, we didn't have any of these sissy "Icons" and "Windows". All we had were zeros and ones -- and sometimes we didn't even have ones. I wrote an entire database program using only zeros. Geek #2 You had zeros? We had to use the letter "O". Jim_Miller(a)suite.com

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QUERY: source of info about nat'l. health ID card/number
by Stanton McCandlish 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Please respond by direct email, not list mail (or both if you dig): Anyone know the/a/some source(s) of info about this national health ID card and number plan I'm hearing about? We need info on this, but I'm not sure where the latest version of this stuff is, or what stage it's reached (Hillary's fancy? Legislative action? Development and implementation?) Any info appreciated. -- Stanton McCandlish mech(a)eff.org 1:109/1103 EFF Online Activist & SysOp O P E N P L A T F O R M C R Y P T O P O L I C Y O N L I N E R I G H T S N E T W O R K I N G V I R T U A L C U L T U R E I N F O : M E M B E R S H I P @ E F F . O R G

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