December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: distributed autonomous networks
by lazylion＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've thought about this a lot. Right now, there's an international (very low speed) sort-of internet based in Amateur Packet Radio. Everyone has a 2meter FM (range 5-10 miles over flat turrain; up to 300 to a tall mountain through a repeater) handi-talky on their belts and a 1200 (a little 2400) *half duplex* modem with which they check into whatever bbs is near by and get their mail from all over the world. There are 19.2 & I think 56kpbs backbones operating over satelittes & High Frequency. It works. It's intolerably slow. It's operating legally on ham frequencies which do not (legally) allow encryption. The main reason it's so slow is that the protocal was designed by these guys in Phoenix 10 years ago to use the radios popularly off the shelf then. Now, however, there are *FULL DUPLEX* radios available cheap ($400) off the shelf that use separate bands for tx & rx to make them cheap. (Most of these are 144 MHz <-> 440 MHz, Transmit on one, receive on the other, either way) I'm working on a new protocal which instead of using the current CSMA/CD, has local repeaters serving an area which do full duplex & pass a token around. Unfortunately, I'll probably only be able to increase bandwidth enough to bring the current 4-5 users per frequency up to 15 or 20. This is still nowhere near enough to do what you want, but it does still use off-the-shelf radios & modems you can build for $20 in parts & connect to your PC or Mac (Software will also be req'd- mods to current stuff will work) My roomate, tvr(a)cnmat.CNMAT.Berkeley.EDU (KD6PAG), is working on custome radios that raise that 2400 bps barrier to 19.2 or 38kpbs. I think that without my full duplex protocal, he'll still have to wait around dealing with transmit-receive turnover latency, but hey- if it works, wow! Anyone else with any cool ideas? +--------------------------- Ben Weiss ------------------------------+ ! Telephone: (510) 841-5709 voice Internet: LazyLion(a)Netcom.com ! ! (415) 325-9600 fax Ben_D._Weiss(a)bmug.org ! +-------------- Packet Radio: WB5QAL(a)N6EEG.#NOCAL.CA.US ---------------+

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List Protocol
by VACCINIA＠UNCVX1.OIT.UNC.EDU 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have been on the list for only 2 months now and I must say I enjoy the communication. Yes, there is alot of noise that comes thru the list but alot of it could be eliminated by not CC: to the list and communicating privately with those who have posted information of interest to you. I find alot of the back and forth communication annoying. Perhaps, if one notes something of interest to them from the list, they should communicate more with those who write them and evince interest in that subject and less with the list. I have found that when I see something I like on the list (it is usually a first posting) and contact that person directly they are very gracious and glad to help me out. I'm not particularly technisavvy yet, but when I have asked people directly for some pointer to information so that I can then go out and learn about it myself (rather then expecting them to educate me), they respond very positively. Also, those who do not think that there is a crypto-movement should hope that there is, otherwise they may soon find themselves outlaws of a much higher level. This is just my two cents, and sorry for the noise but I've seen a bit too much negativism posted lately to allow myself to remain silent. Scott G. Morham ! The First, Vaccinia(a)uncvx1.oit.unc.edu ! Second ! and Third ! Levels of ! Information Storage and Retrieval ! DNA, ! Biological Neural Nets, ! Cyberspace

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Re: distributed autonomous networks
by swc＠uc1.ucsu.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Meteor bounce is real. Ask anyone in military communications. It is not easy and it is not cheap (in present equipment volumes). The antennas tend to be bulky as well. But it is an option. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stuart W. Card, Consultant, Card & Associates -- Research & Development Box 153 RR 1 Newport Rd Utica NY 13502 315-735-1717 / FAX -8469 swc(a)uc1.ucsu.edu or cards(a)top.cis.syr.edu "Who is John Galt?"

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Re: distributed autonomous networks
by swc＠uc1.ucsu.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Don't try to forward messages to their destination. Instead, forward them to several sites distributed around the net, and folks can check their messages via the net from whatever site is closest to them. I would suggest using public keys in lieue of MAC addresses, and Shamir sharing really sensitive stuff. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stuart W. Card, Consultant, Card & Associates -- Research & Development Box 153 RR 1 Newport Rd Utica NY 13502 315-735-1717 / FAX -8469 swc(a)uc1.ucsu.edu or cards(a)top.cis.syr.edu "Who is John Galt?"

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Re: distributed autonomous networks
by swc＠uc1.ucsu.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At present, nobody knows how to RDF (radio direction find) the sources of meteor burst transmissions. But I know for a fact (from R&D proposal solicitations) that the military is trying to figure out how. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stuart W. Card, Consultant, Card & Associates -- Research & Development Box 153 RR 1 Newport Rd Utica NY 13502 315-735-1717 / FAX -8469 swc(a)uc1.ucsu.edu or cards(a)top.cis.syr.edu "Who is John Galt?"

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Re: Who`s Most Receptive
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

S >Also, I'm sending a note to Mitch. He was interviewed by NPR a few S >months ago about the National Information Infrastructure. I'll see if S >he can suggest a reporter. S >Shari I uploaded a transcript of NPR's report on the Clipper announcement to the list last April if anyone would like a copy. Dan Charles was the reporter and Whit Diffy was interviewed. It was favorable. I don't know why right wingers aren't as sympathetic to strong crypto. I used to be one and I am. Strong crypto protects us against the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderbergers. They can't put the number of the beast on us if we use it and crypto is obviously handy for financial privacy. After all would you want the dope smoking lesbian communist dominated Justice Department reading *your* mail, financial records, and medical records. Duncan Frissell "Nuke 'em 'till they glow then shoot them in the dark." --- WinQwk 2.0b#0

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Re: Spread-spectrum net (vulnerability of)
by swc＠uc1.ucsu.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I do not know of any way that the network can know where you are without there being a way that someone (net operators or authorities) can use that knowledge. I feel it is better to let the user go get his stuff via the net, versus have his stuff come to him. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stuart W. Card, Consultant, Card & Associates -- Research & Development Box 153 RR 1 Newport Rd Utica NY 13502 315-735-1717 / FAX -8469 swc(a)uc1.ucsu.edu or cards(a)top.cis.syr.edu "Who is John Galt?"

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Re: Safe and fun environment?
by jamie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[Cypherlings, excuse the bandwidth] Matthew, As a fresh newbie allow me to react for the record to your recent post. >a "safe and fun environment" to introduce new people to anything. I've never found a safe and fun environment anywhere, anytime if I looked closely enough to see what was going on; hence I never expect it anywhere, anytime. > And god forbid that a newcomer should ask a QUESTION! Dear lord no. >That newcomer will be flamed so totally that no burn unit around will be able >to save them. My questions have been answered graciously, thoroughly, and when I've been corrected, I should've been due to inattentive typing (e.g., author's names). > No one on this list is entirely to blame, nor is anyone entirely >blameless for this. Several of the top figures on the list (TC May and Eric >Hughes to name two) have recently adopted an inappropriately elitist attitude >toward the direction of the list, and the movement. Movement? Like in 'bowel'? I don't see the elitest approach; from my perspective it looks like people with knowledge being exasperated when others want private tutoring and don't RTFM. I'm pretty much the same way in my areas of expertise. >No one can stop Eric from >running the _list_ however he wants, but the _movement_ belongs to all of us, Let me get this straight -- you're claiming property rights to spontaneous behavior of other individuals? > Until we fix the serious problems in this list, it will never be an >appropriate environment for newcomers to learn about crypto-privacy, It's been good for me. Why do you think that might be? -- ................................ Jamie Dinkelacker Palo Alto CA Jamie(a)netcom.com 415.941.4782

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No Subject
by nobody＠soda.berkeley.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Covert Action article on Clipper/Skipjack by D. Sobel is out. I thought he was on this list? Did I miss mention of this? Looked good, but didnt have the $5.50, and they wouldnt accept my $100 DigiKash! Mr. Sobel, Can you post an electronic version of yer article please? [[Nonewsgroup, no cypherpunk cause/agenda, no leaders, no organization]] (There that didnt take up to much time now did it?) C. A. Informatik

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Re: EFF GIF file recall n
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com S >Child pornography is not protected speech, and challenging S >child pornography laws is not currently on EFF's agenda Didn't the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals decide that the transport and sale provisions (unknowing posession) of the federal kiddie porn law were unconstitutional? Wouldn't a warning like yours risk converting unknowing to knowing posession. Duncan Frissell --- WinQwk 2.0b#0

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