December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: gopher links
by strick -- henry strickland 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

<root> writes to me: # strick wrote: # > (Just for the halibut I tried "gopher gopher.uu.net" and # > "gopher ftp.uu.net" but no dice. If you were using WWW instead # > of gopher, you could link "ftp://ftp.uu.net/inet/rfc/rfc1321".) # # Gopher can link to ftp directly without the destination being served by a # gopher server. RT*M: (p.s. I have no idea why they call them "cool" links) Actually, I have RT*Protocols, but the original protocols, not the one you describe here. Come to think of it, it looks like this is executed by the gopher server, since it also has a "exec" option. Not so efficient for ftp, but the old client-server protocol would still work. Karl, if this works with your gopherd, you should abuse it ... strick # GOPHERD(8) # # # ADDING COOL LINKS # One cool thing you can do with .Links is to add neato ser- # vices to your gopher server. Adding a link like this: # # Name=Cool ftp directory # Type=1 # Path=ftp:hostname@path/ # Host=+ # Port=+ # # Name=Cool ftp file # Type=0 # Path=ftp:hostname@file # Host=+ # Port=+ # # Will allow you to link in any ftp site into your gopher. # Make sure that there is a /tmp directory to store the # files for the gateway. Note that if you're running with- # out the -c option, you must create a "tmp" directory at # the top level of the gopher-data directory. # # Another neat thing you can do is to execute shell scripts: # # Name=Execed command name # Type={a type} # Path=exec:"args":/scriptname # Host=+ # Port=+ # # This is usually used by other types of gateway scripts. # For instance, The first script might take a search and get # a few hits. It could then generate "exec" scripts that # would retrieve the actual document the hit referred to. # # Note that the scriptname *must* begin with the magic char- # acter "#!/". It also must be executable. #

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So. Calif. Cypherpunks Outreach
by jkhastings＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"State Evader" comes out of the Green Dragon Tavern BBS (213) 365-1132 pseudonym closet to shamelessly promote his upcoming speeches at the H.L. Mencken Forum and the Libertarian Party of CA Region 62 Los Angeles Westside: ------------------------------------------------------------ State Evader = J. Kent Hastings Assistant Director of the Agorist Institute, "Techtics" columnist for the Tactics of the Movement of the Libertarian Left newsletter, internet cypherpunk, and ham radio operator WA6ZFY. Both speeches will be on the topic: "Cyber Cash: Free Market Money Comes of Age" I will talk about untraceable digital cash, public-key cryptography, spread-spectrum radio, un manned vehicles, and the latest government actions that threaten everyone's privacy: The Clipper/ Skipjack key escrow agents and the subpoenas served to the Austin Code Works and ViaCrypt for all PGP, RSA export info. -------------------------------------------------------------- Mencken info: (310) 289-3234 (reserve now!) L.P. info: (310) 477-6491 -------------------------- Mencken location: The Old Spaghetti Factory 5939 Sunset Blvd near Hollywood Freeway in L.A. Wednesday September 22, 1993 6:30 Libatio ns, 7:00 Dinner, 8:00 Speaker, 10:00 Adjournment First time "virgins" reserved: $3 -------------------------------------------------- L.P. of CA Region 62 L.A. Westside: Chris's Italian Restaurant 10105 Venice Blvd. at Clarington Ave Thursday, September 23, 1993 Cocktails 6:30, Dinner 7:00, Talk 8:30 Not sure if admission is charged. ---------------------------------------------- Kent - <jkhastings(a)aol.com>

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more deranged lunatic ravings -- just delete 'em!
by L. Detweiler 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: "Perry E. Metzger" <pmetzger(a)lehman.com> >Why all this silly speculation? We will all know the complete answers >soon enough. There is no need for us to reach out and "investigate". ah yes, just like everyone 'soon enough' knew the 'complete answers' behind the Steve Jackson Games investigation. All we have to do is sit around and wait for it to be handed to us by everyone involved, including The Enemy. Look at that E911 investigation -- this was an example of *community* involvement. Laywers on *both* sides were unaware of the fact that E911 documents were publicly available, that they could even be *ordered* from Mountain Bell with no restriction, until someone 'out there' made the link and pointed it out -- and this was a *very* significant aspect of the defense case. >"We" need no information. We are not the attorneys. EFF and the rest >are involved and have fine lawyers and investigators. Anything "We" >uncover will be useful only for personal amusement. the situation *directly affects* us *now*. what is the scope of the grand jury investigation? could it potentially be *expanded* beyond this initial inquiry? what about sites that are currently distributing PGP outside the U.S.? what about the fact that cypherpunks have *always* been closely involved with PGP and its international distribution? >"We" don't even >have our facts right -- the "NSA" has not been directly harassing >ANYONE. say *what*?! Grady Ward has been posting for over a week on a bazillion Usenet groups that Agent X from the NSA has contacted him, with a phone number, fax, and identification standard for NSA employees (I forwarded one of his early messages here). A representative from Austin Code Works informed a Cypherpunk (who wasn't afraid to do a little poking around himself) they have been prodded by the NSA months prior over DES export. And "the NSA has not been directly harassing ANYONE." well, yes, I guess they haven't stuck anybody on the rack, if that's what you mean. >I'd calm down, Mr. Detweiler. Write some code -- its a productive >persuit. ah yes, I'm 'persuing' the sequels to PGP and Moby Crypt right now <g> you seem to be fundamentally averse to excitement. this is the Cryptographic Case of a decade, and we're all to just wait patiently for the bleached official reports prior to a proper, dainty discussion? not I. but in deference to you, Mr. Metzger, and others, I will not post any more speculation ... without some new juicy articles to speculate on :)

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GOPHER: misc
by Karl Lui Barrus 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thanks for the feedback about links - I didn't read that far in the server.doc! It looks like I could point to the EFF gopher for legislation and stuff, if they wouldn't mind...? But, stuff I link to has to be available from another gopher, right? I mean, I just can't point to a directory on some machine and have gopher retrieve the file for viewing? Or can I? Because I definitely would like to have the RFC's and message digest stuff viewable, or pointed to. Also, will gopher uncompress a file before displaying? I think I should read the gopher FAQ :-) And look at WWW when I have some time. Also, where is the "Digital Silk Road" paper? I'd like to put the text version in the "Digital Cash" section. I'd also like to put the two reports at cwi up, but those are postscript... gopher.wustl.edu has a TANTALIZING menu item for the ftp site, but I got a connection refused message. I need to talk to Chael to see exactly what kind of disk space we have to work with - it looks like to me an ftp option retrieves files to the gopher site (chaos). I put up some more stuff, including remailer public keys, but not much more on anonymous mail and still nothing on clipper. -- Karl L. Barrus: klbarrus(a)owlnet.rice.edu keyID: 5AD633 hash: D1 59 9D 48 72 E9 19 D5 3D F3 93 7E 81 B5 CC 32 "One man's mnemonic is another man's cryptography" - my compilers prof discussing file naming in public directories

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Re: Does this seem illegal to you?
by George A. Gleason 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sprint TeleMap: You've been after this woman who gives you the ultimate hard-on, but she won't play. Every night you write her another letter, pouring out your heart, begging for her hand, telling her all the lucious things you'll do with her once she comes to her senses and lets you into her life. Lately you've been getting your letters back,"return to sender, no such addressee" in purple Post Office ink. But no matter, you call her number, and get the recording with her new number. You've been getting angrier lately, as she's changed her number three times now. If only she would let you into her life, you'd make wonderful music together by the moonlight- but No!, she just won't play. The anger has been building, and lately you've been taking to leaving more and more desperate messages on her answering machine. She's really getting to you now, you want to teach her a lesson, a lesson she'll never forget. You've been trying to follow her car home from work, but for some reason she's not driving the same car or taking the same route; she might even have changed jobs. Boy oh boy, you'll teach *her* a lesson, teach *her* to say No to you! You feel inside your jacket, where your .38 is carefully tucked. Yeah, teach her a lesson for sure! And lo, a Sprint payphone! You dial the 1-800 number and ask for directions... give them her last known phone number... the seconds tick by, your head whirling with the things you're going to tell her and make her plead with you.... a second or two later, the operator comes back on the line. Go right at Harbor... left at Main... two blocks down to Third, second house on the left. Aha, there we go. Thank you, operator. A warm bulge rises in your pants as you contemplate your next move. Boy are you going to teach her a lesson! This special moment brought to you by Sprint TeleMap. ,

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Attn: P. Metzger and an36440, please delete this immediately
by L. Detweiler 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded from J. Bidzos. this actually *strengthens* the NSA theories. (go ahead, flame me some more. I've been called, culling from all the best, a ``screaming, ranting, hysterical, yammering lunatic running about like a headless barnyard fowl just adding noise and confusion'' -- can anyone top that?) I'm leaving out Bidzos' email address so he is not harassed any further than I've already done :) ------- Forwarded Message Date: Sun, 19 Sep 93 11:17:18 PDT Message-Id: <9309191817.AA10201(a)RSA.COM> To: ld231782(a)longs.lance.colostate.edu In-Reply-To: "L. Detweiler"'s message of Sat, 18 Sep 93 17:24:41 -0600 <9309182324.AA10638(a)longs.lance.colostate.edu> Subject: PGP & Moby Crypto investigation PKP, RSA, nor I have anything to do with this subpoena business. No complaint has been filed. This looks to be an investigation into violation of export laws, but I don't know. ------- End of Forwarded Message

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Re: Definition of "Zero Knowledge"
by doug＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: khijol!erc(a)apple.com (Ed Carp) >Thanks for the definition (but I knew that, anyway). Sorru I wasn't clear - >what I was looking for was examples of how zero-knowledge proof techniques >could make source code impenetrable. An arbitrary algorithm can be translated into a zero proof theory model that is intractable to functionally analyze. Its operations on inputs and outputs can take place within the realm of the intractable model, with the inputs and outputs being transformed from the encoding of the outside realm into an encoding useful to the realm of the model. The inputs and outputs are the queries and answers of zero proof theory. With such a thing, knowing every detail of the registers and instructions being executed at all times still wouldn't tell you what you really wanted to know. I'm unsure whether this has been published, let alone implemented; I just thought it was an obvious corollary back when ZPT itself was first published. It might have been discussed in the literature at the time, but if so, I've forgotten. I'm also not claiming this is necessarily a useful approach in practice, because the obvious ways of implementing such a thing would be more than a little slow. I suspect that it could be done efficiently with a little algorithmic cleverness, but I don't have evidence of that this instant. I'm currently designing something with very much the same flavor, but with somewhat different goals, and computational expense of the operators in the model is precisely the difficulty with that, too, so far. Doug -- Doug Merritt doug(a)netcom.com Professional Wild-eyed Visionary Member, Crusaders for a Better Tomorrow Unicode Novis Cypherpunks Gutenberg Wavelets Conlang Logli Alife HC_III Computational linguistics Fundamental physics Cogsci SF GA VR CASE TLAs

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Re: NIST proposes software key escrow development
by doug＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Brad Huntting <huntting(a)glarp.com> said: >> And even hardware solutions can be reverse engineered. In fact, it's > >Why? The easiest way to foil SlipJack is to simply run another >encryption mechanism on top of it. Because we weren't (just then) talking about foiling it, we were talking about whether it could be figured out. Unless I misunderstood the discussion from careless reading, the point seemed to be that they wanted to make the workings of the chip secret. I was furthmore assuming that there would be motivation for people to figure out such secrets because it would help them do their own illicit decryptions, but that's getting slightly off subject. >> I'm reasonably happy with what the NSA appears to be doing in regard to >> foreign intelligence gathering; it's their domestic agenda that threatens >> the constitution. But that's in the nature of spook organizations. > >I dont know about you, but many of my best friends are "foreigners", >and many of them live in riskier situations than I do (both in the >US and abroad). Their need for privacy is at least as pressing as >mine. The argument that "we" can abuse the rights of "foreigners" >is nationallistic at best and jingoistic at its worst. That's not what I said. The charter of the NSA isn't to abuse the rights of your foreign friends. Now that you've raised the subject, I wouldn't be happy with the NSA doing so, either. I have friends outside the U.S. too. I just meant that countries do intelligence gathering on each other all the time as a matter of course, and most of that isn't abusive in nature, it's just the usual game of politics and defense etc. But I suppose it's silly of me to say something like that on a list with so many rabid paranoids; how could I possibly imagine that not *every* act of the NSA is inherently ***EVIL***!? Sigh. Doug

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GOPHER: cpsr
by Karl Lui Barrus 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I just discovered the CPSR gopher (gopher.cpsr.org) mirrors the cypherpunk soda archive, including the clipper directory there. So I'll figure out how to create a link to it. I don't know about cool links though; the only gopher sever and client I could compile on chaos (net BSD some.version) was gopher1.12S, and I don't think is has that functionality. Later, I'll give the gopher2.06 a try again. Plus, I've noticed that sometimes the name resolver can find chaos.bsu.edu, sometimes not, for whatever reason. So maybe I'll talk to Chael and see if we can't make a gopher login for telnet access. -- Karl L. Barrus: klbarrus(a)owlnet.rice.edu keyID: 5AD633 hash: D1 59 9D 48 72 E9 19 D5 3D F3 93 7E 81 B5 CC 32 "One man's mnemonic is another man's cryptography" - my compilers prof discussing file naming in public directories

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Delete Me
by rwalters＠gtech.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, there... Please delete me from the cypherpunks mailing list. It's a little greater traffic than I expected... Sorry about the hassle, and thanks. R.

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