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ZDNet and ZDTV Forums Update
by ZDNet Announce 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ This is the second message from ZD to all the members of our message boards. It contains information and tips about a coming transition to new software. You will receive just one or two more of these messages in the coming week. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ When you go to the ZDNet or ZDTV forums on Tuesday, Dec. 8, you will find the new Deja News software in place. You will see some differences in the way the message boards operate, so you may need to experiment a little. If you are very familiar with our current forum features, it will take some time to become comfortable with the new system. We apologize for the inconvenience this causes and are trying to make the switch as painless as possible. We'll have dozens of sysops online answering your questions every day. We also will update the on-line help files frequently to highlight key differences between the current software, called Podium, and the new version. Below are some advance hints for everyone making the switch to Deja News. You can try these features out in now our Test Forum at http://f5.dejanews.com/frames/test.html ** Messages that you have not yet read appear in bold. ** That's how Deja News tells you which posts are new since you last visited. Once you open and read a message, the bolding goes away. You have the option to Mark Thread As Read, and an entire set of messages will lose their boldness. In addition, you can Mark All As Read, and every message in that forum will become un-bold. ** When you leave a forum and come back later, messages that you read previously are not displayed. ** You can see these already-read messages by clicking the Show All button. Here's the tricky part: If you read all the messages in a thread and then someone adds another, the entire thread will be displayed and most messages will not be bold. Just the new message that you have not yet read will appear with bolded text. (In our current message board software, messages that you had already read remain hidden when a new message is added.) ** On Tuesday, some messages that you have read will be marked as unread. ** We will migrate all the messages currently in Podium over to the new Deja News software. However, we cannot keep track of which messages every user has read. As a result, all messages will be marked initially as unread. You can easily take care of this by doing one of two things: 1) Use the Mark All As Read found at the top of the new message board. This approach is fastest, but it might make you overlook some messages you really do want to read. 2) Use the Mark Thread As Read text link found at the beginning of each thread. This approach is a more selective way to get up-to-date, but it takes a bit more time. ** You can Expand or Collapse the entire thread list. ** The thread list shows all the individual "conversations" happening in the message board. The default setting shows you just the starting topic in each thread. If you want to see a detailed list of all the replies to that initial message, just click the Expand button. To shrink your threads list again, click the Collapse button. Collapse and Expand are basically toggle buttons. Show All and Show Unread are also toggle buttons, and they oper- ated independently of the Collapse and Expand controls. ** Your browser's reload button works in the forums. ** In Podium, when you hit reload in your browser, your forum display settings would disappear. In the upcoming Deja News software, your settings are preserved. So go ahead and hit reload to see if new messages have been added while you are online -- it works! ** Give Search a try. ** The Deja News fast search capability will help you track down messages easily. You can look across all the forums or in just one, for any text in a message. If you choose Mark All As Read but want to locate an earlier message, use the Search function. Thanks for taking the time to read this note. I hope these tips give you some insight into the new software and make the switch smoother. We're adding user-suggested info to our help file with the launch of the new forums next week, so keep those comments and ideas coming! We look forward to seeing you in the new forums, and we are glad to have you as a part of the ZD Community. Wendy Frankwich ZD Community Central http://chkpt.zdnet.com/chkpt/zdn11204/www.zdnet.com http://chkpt.zdnet.com/chkpt/zdn11204/www.zdtv.com _______________________________________________________________________ To be removed from this list, simply reply to this message with "unsubscribe" as your subject.

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[Fwd: y2k/gary north delusions]
by Soren 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To: Igor Chudov <ichudov(a)algebra.com> Subject: Re: y2k/gary north delusions From: Soren <sorens(a)workmail.com> Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 08:29:23 -0500 References: <199812042341.RAA18742(a)manifold.algebra.com> Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > > > Well... The answer is that there is much less washing needed for > survival than it is needed for day to day civilized American life. > > For instance, I change my shirts every day. If shit hits the fan, > you can wear a shirt for two weeks. Similar story is with other > clothes. This is a good one. What about the other half of American life (the uncivilized?). You know, the americans who live in those old refrigerator cartons? The ones that nobody sees? I think they get more than 2 weeks out of their shirts. The sad fact is that city brats haven't got the faintest idea what survival is all about (you mean I have to *walk* to the supermarket?). It was in the 1890's when Queen Victoria issued an edict that forced all the english to 'bathe at least once a year'. Sit back and enjoy the carnival.

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Re: What was the quid pro quo for Wassenaar countries?
by HyperReal-Anon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Phillip Hallam-Baker" <hallam(a)ai.mit.edu> writes John Gilmore may be right, but remember folks that in Europe we have this thing the Greeks invented called democracy. One of the ideas of democracy is that decisions are not made in secret closed meetings. Yes, and people democratically demand government enforcement of the majority will, something made more difficult if the subjects have strong cryptography. As Donn Parker observed several years ago, strong cryptography is inconsistent with democracy. (Published in Scientific American --- reference on request.) John Gilmore <gnu(a)toad.com> writes Some countries actually seem to care what their citizens think about their crypto laws, unlike the shining example of democracy, the USSA. And when we educate the citizens, they tend to make the right choices. Let's keep trying. But don't educate them too much, or they will understand that cryptography can set people free, and if people were free there would be no political government, and if there were no political government their social security checks would stop coming, along with all their other government ``benefits''.

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by bill payne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > (Furthermore, most remailer structures still can't erase some other security > > concerns -- > > 1: remailers acutally can be hacked or physically compromised > > 2: clients really can be screwed > > 3: etc. > > > > To help solve the first, you'd want a two-box setup doing remailing, with the > > security-critical stuff loaded on a box not directly connected to the Net with > > something 140-1ish to make tampering harder, a secure OS, etc. -- or, of > > course, you can scrap all that to get really big remailer count. > > As long as you do not see the box and do not control its manufacture, > I see no reason why you should have ny more trust in it. Well, you shouldn't have complete trust -- a tamper-resistant net could be compromised, too -- but there's a good reason to have more trust in it than in the existing one. More on that after a parenthetical remark. (This brings up the "hardware web-of-trust" issue; you can set up such a web with trusted spot-checkers and statistical/cryptographic means of assuring the user that the box works as advertised, if your threat model demands it. There's more about it in the "Beyond Class (A1)" section of the Orange Book, although the section's use to Cypherpunk types is limited because it's written without any thought to, say, doing things cheaply or having a decentralized setup.) The tamper-resistance simply means that if the mailer was set up secure, it's not going to become compromised. Instead of having to trust that one of the remailer operators is currently honest and has always done all the necessary homework to ensure the system was safe, you have to trust that this entity was honest and diligent when the remailer was set up (unless, of course, you think the tamper-resistance was circumvented); if the operator is bribed after the remailer's set up and the public key is published, there's no way to suddenly and invisibly make messages traceable, as there is in a "normal" Mixmaster remailer. (This is because, given the normal assumptions about crypto strength, it takes the remailer's private key to process a Mixmaster-like packet and that key is generated by and stays within the tamper-resistant box) My predictions about the biggest attacks on a tamper-resistant remailer net: 1: traffic analysis. Until the net structure is overhauled, this will always be possible. 2: propagation and exploitation of faulty server software. Related to the whole web-of-trust issue. 3: direct attacks on specific clients. Again, no web of trust. 4: creation of bad remailers and attempts to shut down good ones. More messages could be traced in a world with 6 good and 47 bad remailers than in one with 9 good and 3 bad. 5: direct attacks on new remailers 6: attempts to make an operator feign a catastrophe and set up a new, compromised remailer. Users, however, would know that the new key not signed by an old one means that they must now trust that the remailer was not compromised before the publication of the new key. 7: attacks on tamper resistance ... n: attacks on crypto n+1: etc.

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sorry for all the questions but I've been away from crypto for a while and I'm looking for the best encryption program for exchanging email between Unix and Windows folks. I hope these questions are appropriate here. What do people generally think about S/MIME ? Is it well designed (strong and extendable) ? Is it convenient because its available in the popular email clients ? Is the most annoying thing about it that you have to pay for the keys ? Is there a way to self-sign keys ? SSLeay ? Are most people still using PGP ? If IDEA and MD5 (and PGP2.6.2) are not strong enough anymore, what are the Unix folks using ? Does the source for PGP5/6 compile to any target besides Windoze ? Thanks

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RE: What was the quid pro quo for Wassenaar countries?
by Vivek Vaidya 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>John Gilmore may be right, but remember folks that in Europe we have >this thing the Greeks invented called democracy. One of the ideas of >democracy is that decisions are not made in secret closed meetings. Would you really call the EU protocols a democracy? rule by the unelected technocrats? And Europes history of not making decisions in secret closed meetings is hardly commendable. Excepting perhaps the swiss. >The interpretation of the US ambassador appears to be based on the >assumption that the governmental proceedures of democratic countries >are like those of his home country. In fact European governments >cannot make law simply by telling the national police force to >arrest folk who engage in particular behaviour. Now my understanding of european law is, of course, limited. But in France wasn't there that case of some rapper been arrested for insulting the police? And in Germany you can strip the constitutional rights of citizens who engage in treasonous behaviour ( could this include cryptography? if connected with neo-nazis almost certainly right? ) >The system of checks and balances may be described in the US >constitution but it is entrenched in the European polity. The UK >does not have a national police force precisely to stop Hooverism. > >Even directives of the European Commission do not have legal force >until the national parliaments enact legislation to implement the >directive. What about those airline accords where the EU took its member states to court over cabotage agreements. I'm sure there are ways to sneak these things through. >One should also remember that the government of the Netherlands has agreed >to control the sale and use of narcotics. If their efforts to control >cryptography are as dilligent we have nothing to worry about. > >In addition under the single European act the entire country of Europe is >one export zone for crypto control purposes. I fail to see that stopping >Brits from exporting crypto to the US changes the equation a great deal. > > >There once was an English king called Canute who attempted to demonstrate >to his courtiers that he was fallible and could not order the tide to >turn. Perhaps Clinton's courtiers need to learn that they suffer the same >limmitation. I'm afraid that that may not be the point. The primary objective of the arms control laws ( which are the ones being used as references in this case ) is to prevent advanced weapons technology from spreading to the third world. Now Europe, America, Japan, and other first world countries are all capable of developing high level crypto indiginously. The less advanced countries on the earth are forced to import it from these countries. What the passage of this law will do is prevent this export ( example: the Netherlands, as you pointed out has not cracked down on its internal narcotics trade. However it doesn't permit exporting narcotics. Similarly this agreement will probably freeze exports of high level crypto by all the signatory countries, in the same way that america no longer permits high level crypto exports. ) The end result being the NSA should able to read India and Chinas communications without irritations. Vivek Vaidya ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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