September 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

SUPER KICTEN HELPER
by fmacd＠dbis.ns.ca 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

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Re: RE: Crypto-anonymity greases HUMINT intelligence flows
by Jim Choate 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote: > Have there ever been any large-scale terroristic attacks where profit was > the only motive? terrorism <> economics. Economics as a direct goal isn't the issue in terrorism. You're 'mixing your metaphors'... -- ____________________________________________________________________ Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it. George Santyana The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Apfn
by Jim Choate 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

Unbelievable horror? What a fucking idiot. Hiroshima Nagasaki Warsaw Finland Dresden Leningrad Moscow Perl Harbor Tokyo London Lubiyanka Prison/KGB/... Treblinka Innumerable Communist Gulag's Tiannimin Square ... On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Lance Tomlyn wrote: > APFN > David Icke > pass this on > Fri Sep 14 10:29:49 2001 > > > ALICE IN WONDERLAND AND THE WTC DISASTER > IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR THE FORCE > BEHIND THE U.S. ATROCITIES > JUST ASK: WHO BENEFITS? > "Nothing would be what it is, Because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary-wise -what it is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?" - Alice in Wonderland. > By David Icke > > The force that seeks to control this world and introduce its global fascist state, the network I call the Illuminati, is nothing if not predictable. > > The unbelievable horror perpetrated on the cities of New York and Washington is a problem-reaction-solution sting on the collective mind of all humanity and I have been expecting an event of this magnitude for some years. I thought it could be a war or a nuclear "terrorist" device, but something fantastic was always going to happen during the years of the Bush presidency when, as I wrote on inauguration day, the agenda would be pressed forward with a gathering pace. -- ____________________________________________________________________ Those who don't understand history are doomed to repeat it. George Santyana The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Crypto-anonymity greases HUMINT intelligence flows
by Nomen Nescio 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

Sandfort: > I have NO IDEA what this strange post has to do with the original question. > I'm a libertarian. As such, I see no problem in doing well by doing good. > Just because I would jump at $5 million (plus Witness Relocation) to finger > Bin Laden does not mean I would do something evil for that amount or more. And fingering bin Laden wouldn't be just as evil? It would be for one of his followers, now wouldn't it? Evil is relative. Would you become Judas Iscariot -- for how many shekels? And if you say that as someone close to bin Laden, you would rat on him for money, how about us, how about your friends and family here in the US? What's the price for them?

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Please make stable NON-US homes for strong crypto projects (fwd)
by Jim Choate 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 00:32:12 -0700 From: John Gilmore <gnu(a)toad.com> To: cryptography(a)wasabisystems.com, gnu(a)toad.com Subject: Please make stable NON-US homes for strong crypto projects It's clear that the US administration is putting out feelers to again ban publication of strong encryption. See: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,46816,00.html The evil gnomes who keep advancing unconstitutional US anti-crypto policies know that the current hysteria in Congress and the Administration will not last forever. So they will probably move very quickly -- within a week is my guess -- to re-control encryption, either by a unilateral action of the Administration (by amending the Export Administration Regulations), or by stuffing a rider onto some so-called "emergency" bill in Congress. They maneuvered very carefully in the Bernstein case such that there is no outstanding injunction against violating the Constitution this way -- and even no binding 9th-Circuit precedent that tells them it's unconstitutional to do so. They know in their hearts that numerous judges have found it unconstitutional, but they have proven throughout the seven-year history of the case that they don't give a damn about the Constitution. Which means it may take weeks, months or years for civil liberties workers to get a judge to roll back any such action. Not just days. We won the case, but they squirmed out of any permanent restrictions -- so far. The US government has a new mania for wiretapping everyone in case they might be a terrorist. There's already two bills in Congress to make it trivial for them to wiretap anybody on flimsy excuses, and to retroactively justify their precipitous act of rolling Carnivore boxes into major ISPs this week and demanding, without legal authority, that they be put at the heart of the networks. See: http://www.politechbot.com/docs/cta.091401.html Even more than before, we will need good encryption tools, merely to maintain privacy for law-abiding citizens, political activists, and human rights workers. (In the current hysteria, mere messages advocating peace or Constitutional rights might best be encrypted.) The European Parliament also recently recommended that European communications be routinely encrypted to protect them from pervasive US Echelon wiretaps. Some US developers, who thought such a reversal would never happen, have built or maintained a number of good open source encryption tools in the United States, and may not have lined up solid foreign maintainers or home sites. LET'S FIX THAT! We need volunteers in many countries to mirror current distributions, CVS trees, etc. We need volunteers to also act as maintainers, accepting patches and integrating them into solid releases. (Note that too many countries have pledged to stand toe-to-toe with the US while they march off to make war on somebody they can't figure out who it is yet. If you live in one of those countries, you may suddenly find that your own crypto regs have been sneakily altered. Take care that each useful package has maintainers and distribution points in diverse countries.) I haven't kept close track of which packages are in danger. I suggest that people nominate packages on this mailing list, and that others immediately grab mirror copies of them as they are nominated. And that some of those who mirror them keep quiet, in case hysterical governments make a concerted effort to stamp out all copies and/or all major distribution sites. If you aren't the quiet type, then *AFTER* IMMEDIATELY PULLING A COPY OF THE CODE OUTSIDE US JURISDICTION, announce your mirror on this mailing list. We freedom-loving US citizens have had to rely on the freedom-loving citizens of saner countries, to do the work of making strong encryption, for many years. We had a brief respite, which we will eventually resume for good. In the meantime, please let me apologize for my countrymen and for my government, for asking you to shoulder most of the burden again. Thank you so much. John Gilmore PS: Companies with proprietary encryption packages might consider immediately open-sourcing and exporting their encryption add-ins, so their customers can still get them from overseas archives. Or taking other actions to safeguard the privacy and integrity of their customers' data and their society's infrastructure. I also advise that they lobby like hell to keep privacy and integrity legal in the US. --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo(a)wasabisystems.com

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resend(SORRY! left out %$#@% subj) RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps,
by citizenq＠hushmail.com 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

You missed the irony, I guess I should have put in the irony-smiley. Given the overall context of the bill, the debate on the floor, and it's conclusion your report is shrill and Chicken-littleish, which does nothing for creating credible support of resistance to eroding civil liberty. Do your job, support your position, and do it clearly please. Right now I have no patience for Wired-generation smugness. >On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 04:11:53PM -0700, citizenQ wrote: > Please >indicate the wider circumstances, particularly the warrantless >>circumstances, that this amendment allows cybertapping under, for >those of us without your time or acumen in editing the existing Title >III language. > >To achieve enlightement, you must consider how this bill amends existing >wiretap law. This will take some time, it is true, but it is The Path. > >-Declan

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DCSB: Jean Camp; Trust and Risk in Digital Commerce (fwd)
by Jim Choate 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 12:31:07 -0400 From: "R. A. Hettinga" <rah(a)shipwright.com> To: cryptography(a)wasabisystems.com, coderpunks(a)toad.com, e$(a)vmeng.com, mac-crypto(a)vmeng.com Subject: DCSB: Jean Camp; Trust and Risk in Digital Commerce --- begin forwarded text

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Re: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carn ivoreus e (fwd)
by Aimee Farr 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

> >From: "Baker, Stewart" <SBaker(a)steptoe.com> > >To: "'Declan McCullagh'" <declan(a)well.com>, farber(a)cis.upenn.edu, > > ip-sub-1(a)majordomo.pobox.com > >cc: "Albertazzie, Sally" <SAlbertazzie(a)steptoe.com>, > > "Baker, Stewart" <SBaker(a)steptoe.com> > > > > > >Declan, > > > >I ignored the first two points because I don't think they're > that important. > >These "warrantless searches" are emergency orders that have to > be followed > >by a court order in 48 hours. Sometimes courts are closed and > the cops need > >data right away. Tuesday evening would be a good example. This > is not some > >out-of-control police authority. > > > >The people who can ask for emergency orders have to be > designated by one of > >several officials at Main Justice. That's to make sure someone > responsible > >ends up with the authority to declare an emergency. So an assistant US > >attorney could be designated by Main Justice in each district right now. > >What's the big deal with letting the US Attorney for the district do the > >designating instead of Main Justice? Seems to me that the US Attorney > >probably knows more about staff changeovers than Main Justice, > so it makes > >sense for the US Attorney to do the designating locally. > > > >Stewart > See the following portion of a recent TX bill, proposed in June. Offered for comparative purposes against the "new and improved" 3125. http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlo/billsrch/subject/77r/S1087.HTM Sec. 8A. EMERGENCY INSTALLATION AND USE OF INTERCEPTING 4-6 DEVICE. (a) The prosecutor in a county in which an electronic, 4-7 mechanical, or other device is to be installed or used to intercept 4-8 wire, oral, or electronic communications shall designate in writing 4-9 each peace officer in the county, other than a commissioned officer 4-10 of the Department of Public Safety, who: 4-11 (1) is a member of a law enforcement unit specially 4-12 trained to respond to and deal with life-threatening situations; 4-13 and 4-14 (2) is authorized to possess such a device and 4-15 responsible for the installation, operation, and monitoring of the 4-16 device in an immediate life-threatening situation. 4-17 (b) A peace officer designated under Subsection (a) or 4-18 under Section 5(b) may possess, install, operate, or monitor an 4-19 electronic, mechanical, or other device to intercept wire, oral, or 4-20 electronic communications if the officer: 4-21 (1) reasonably believes an immediate life-threatening 4-22 situation exists that: 4-23 (A) is within the territorial jurisdiction of 4-24 the officer or another officer the officer is assisting; and 4-25 (B) requires interception of communications 4-26 before an order authorizing the interception can, with due 5-1 diligence, be obtained under this section; 5-2 (2) reasonably believes there are sufficient grounds 5-3 under this section on which to obtain an order authorizing the 5-4 interception; and 5-5 (3) obtains from a magistrate oral or written consent 5-6 to the interception before beginning the interception. 5-7 (c) A magistrate may give oral or written consent to the 5-8 interception of communications under this section. 5-9 (d) If an officer installs or uses a device under Subsection 5-10 (b), the officer shall: 5-11 (1) promptly report the installation or use to the 5-12 prosecutor in the county in which the device is installed or used; 5-13 and 5-14 (2) within 48 hours after the installation is complete 5-15 or the interception begins, whichever occurs first, obtain a 5-16 written order from a judge of competent jurisdiction authorizing 5-17 the interception. 5-18 (e) A judge may issue an order authorizing interception of 5-19 communications under this section during the 48-hour period 5-20 prescribed by Subsection (d)(2). If an order is denied or is not 5-21 issued within the 48-hour period, the officer shall terminate use 5-22 of and remove the device promptly on the earlier of the denial or 5-23 the expiration of 48 hours. 5-24 (f) The state may not use as evidence in a criminal 5-25 proceeding any information gained through the use of a device 5-26 installed under this section if authorization for the device is not 6-1 sought or is sought but not obtained. ============================================================================ ~Aimee

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[광고] cypherpunks님 안녕하십니까?
by 권오준 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

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Please make stable NON-US homes for strong crypto projects
by Eugene Leitl 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

I'm usually not forwarding messages from cryptography@ here, but this one is an exception. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 00:32:12 -0700 From: John Gilmore <gnu(a)toad.com> To: cryptography(a)wasabisystems.com, gnu(a)toad.com Subject: Please make stable NON-US homes for strong crypto projects It's clear that the US administration is putting out feelers to again ban publication of strong encryption. See: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,46816,00.html The evil gnomes who keep advancing unconstitutional US anti-crypto policies know that the current hysteria in Congress and the Administration will not last forever. So they will probably move very quickly -- within a week is my guess -- to re-control encryption, either by a unilateral action of the Administration (by amending the Export Administration Regulations), or by stuffing a rider onto some so-called "emergency" bill in Congress. They maneuvered very carefully in the Bernstein case such that there is no outstanding injunction against violating the Constitution this way -- and even no binding 9th-Circuit precedent that tells them it's unconstitutional to do so. They know in their hearts that numerous judges have found it unconstitutional, but they have proven throughout the seven-year history of the case that they don't give a damn about the Constitution. Which means it may take weeks, months or years for civil liberties workers to get a judge to roll back any such action. Not just days. We won the case, but they squirmed out of any permanent restrictions -- so far. The US government has a new mania for wiretapping everyone in case they might be a terrorist. There's already two bills in Congress to make it trivial for them to wiretap anybody on flimsy excuses, and to retroactively justify their precipitous act of rolling Carnivore boxes into major ISPs this week and demanding, without legal authority, that they be put at the heart of the networks. See: http://www.politechbot.com/docs/cta.091401.html Even more than before, we will need good encryption tools, merely to maintain privacy for law-abiding citizens, political activists, and human rights workers. (In the current hysteria, mere messages advocating peace or Constitutional rights might best be encrypted.) The European Parliament also recently recommended that European communications be routinely encrypted to protect them from pervasive US Echelon wiretaps. Some US developers, who thought such a reversal would never happen, have built or maintained a number of good open source encryption tools in the United States, and may not have lined up solid foreign maintainers or home sites. LET'S FIX THAT! We need volunteers in many countries to mirror current distributions, CVS trees, etc. We need volunteers to also act as maintainers, accepting patches and integrating them into solid releases. (Note that too many countries have pledged to stand toe-to-toe with the US while they march off to make war on somebody they can't figure out who it is yet. If you live in one of those countries, you may suddenly find that your own crypto regs have been sneakily altered. Take care that each useful package has maintainers and distribution points in diverse countries.) I haven't kept close track of which packages are in danger. I suggest that people nominate packages on this mailing list, and that others immediately grab mirror copies of them as they are nominated. And that some of those who mirror them keep quiet, in case hysterical governments make a concerted effort to stamp out all copies and/or all major distribution sites. If you aren't the quiet type, then *AFTER* IMMEDIATELY PULLING A COPY OF THE CODE OUTSIDE US JURISDICTION, announce your mirror on this mailing list. We freedom-loving US citizens have had to rely on the freedom-loving citizens of saner countries, to do the work of making strong encryption, for many years. We had a brief respite, which we will eventually resume for good. In the meantime, please let me apologize for my countrymen and for my government, for asking you to shoulder most of the burden again. Thank you so much. John Gilmore PS: Companies with proprietary encryption packages might consider immediately open-sourcing and exporting their encryption add-ins, so their customers can still get them from overseas archives. Or taking other actions to safeguard the privacy and integrity of their customers' data and their society's infrastructure. I also advise that they lobby like hell to keep privacy and integrity legal in the US. --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo(a)wasabisystems.com

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