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Re: Comparing Cryptographic Key Sizes
by Peter Trei 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Back <aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk> writes. > Below is a explanation of the meaning of cryptographic key sizes which > started as an explanation I wrote for a journalist friend of mine, on > being asked about how relatively secure a system using DES and RSA > (SET) was as compared to netscapes export version of SSL. > It could use some criticism. If you are not that crypto aware, does > it make sense to you? If you are crypto aware, what do you think of > my off the cuff estimates of hardness? > > > 56 bit DES is probably roughly similar to 512 bit RSA in hardness to > break. This is way off. We used ~457,000 MIPS years to search half of the DES keyspace. Factoring a 512 bit modulus using the General Number Field Sieve (GNFS) would take about 28,000 MIPS years (see Schneier for the exact number - I don't have AC2 at hand) Lenstra has estimated that with 500,000 MIPS years, you should be able to factor a 600 bit modulus using GNFS, if your workstations had enough memory. [...] > About 10 years ago now Michael Wiener made a design for such a DES > breaking machine. He estimated it would cost $10,000,000 to build a > machine which would break a 56 bit DES encrypted message a few hours. > His machine was scalable, pay more money, break the key faster, pay > less take longer. The estimate was that could build one with enough > DES key searching units to break it in a day for $1,000,000. That was > 10 years ago. 10 years is a long time in the computer industry. > Nowadays you build the machine more cheaply as chip technology has > progressed, and computers are much faster per $. Estimates are around > $100,000 to build the machine (neglecting hardware engineers > consultancy fees). Go back and check the numbers - if you don't the journalists will. (I don't have this paper to hand either :-( ) The Wiener paper is much more recent (93?) , and the cost much lower (I think it was about $1M for HW and $500K for development costs, for a 3.5 hour machine). Peter Trei trei(a)process.com

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Comparing Cryptographic Key Sizes II
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I got quite a few useful comments on the key comparison summary I posted earlier. Even some people said they found it useful. Mark Grant improved the readability, plus other suggestions. Peter Trei urged me to actually re-read the Wiener paper to quote the figures correctly rather than from memory. Also Peter raised issues to do with how to compare hardness to break DES against 512 bit RSA. There is now an aside more technical note explaining the issues. I think I stand by my original comparison of "roughly equal", because depending on how you view it, it'll come out 10x cheaper, or 10x harder. (Memory being one hurdle each participating workstation needing of the order of 128 Mb; the other hurdle being the existance of a machine large enough to reduce the matrix which results from all the relations). I don't think we can explain it any more technically and expect it to be useful to a journalist. We need a gross generalisation: is it approx as hard, is it 100x harder. They don't want to hear about space complexity, the matrix reduction phase (RSA) nor known plaintext memory trade offs (DES). If we don't supply the gross generalisation, they will do it themselves to make it palatable for their readers. With less understanding of the subject, their generalisation is likely to be even wildly inaccurate than the generous error bars on ours. This is not an insult to journalists. Crypto is a technical, complicated field. I wouldn't contemplate making estimates in other peoples fields. Further discussion of course still sought (rip it apart pessimists on crypto estimates). Here's the new improved version. Adam -- Have *you* exported RSA today? --> http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc` ====================================================================== Comparing Cryptographic Key Sizes There are two types of cryptographic keys; public keys -- sometimes called asymmetric key -- and symmetric keys. RSA and Diffie-Hellman are common public key algorithms and RC4, DES and IDEA common symmetric key algorithms. You cannot directly compare public key lengths (for example RSA keys) with symmetric key lengths (DES, RC4); this is an important point which confuses many people. For example, 40 bit RC4 (a symmetric key cipher) can be broken in a few hours with a few hundred workstations but 40 bit RSA (a public key cipher) can be broken in a fraction of a second on one PC. A 350 bit RSA key is roughly equivalent in strength to 40 bit RC4, and 512 bit RSA key is thought to cost roughly the same to break as a 56 bit DES key. (That last comparison (DES vs 512 bit RSA) glosses over many issues. Here's a summary if you're interested: no one's broken a 512 RSA bit key yet, and you need lots of memory to break RSA at that key size, a PC with 128 Mb would be required to participate. In contrast, you need hardly any memory to break DES, any PC will do. The internet based breaking of a DES key in answer to RSA DSI's challenge involved many participants, and included some participants with low end 486 PCs with 1Mb of memory. Theoretically 512 bit RSA could be broken more quickly than DES, but, as you need more memory than typical workstations have, a distributed internet attack with the same group of participants as for the DES break would clearly take longer. There are a number of other factors also.) Symmetric keys sizes are easy to understand; for any particular algorithm, adding one bit to the key length doubles the difficulty. Estimating the difficulty of breaking a public key (say RSA) is harder because the increase in strength is not straightforward, but typically adding ten bits to the size of an RSA key doubles the strength. This is why public key systems require longer keys to provide the same security. Most systems use a mixture of public and symmetric key ciphers, because public key ciphers are _slow_ but dramatically simplify key management. Symmetric key ciphers are fast, so they are used in conjunction with public key systems to speed up the combined system. Such a system using two ciphers -- one public key and one symmetric key -- is only as strong as the weakest link. For example, consider the export version of SSL, as shipped in the export version of Netscape browsers and servers; it uses 512 bit RSA, and 40 bit RC4. Cracking 40 bit RC4 is easier than cracking 512 bit RSA, so export SSL can be broken by breaking the 40 bit RC4 component. Ian Goldberg recently broke a 40 bit RC5 key himself with Berkeley univ machines in 3.5 hours. 40 bit RC4 could be broken in a similar time. 512 bits RSA is not enough either, and you can rest assured that the NSA, other governments' secret services, and any corporation or organised crime group with sufficient funds can break it. 512 bits is likely within reach of a distributed internet effort, or soon will be. There is a further problem. Each session uses a different, randomly chosen, RC4 key, so breaking one RC4 key only allows you to read a single message. However, every message is encrypted with the _same_ 512 bit RSA key, so if you can break that key you can immediately read any message sent to or from the server. As a consequence, the public key size should be chosen to be much harder to break than the symmetric key. In this case although the key is thousands of times harder to break it would be worth attacking if the server is processing thousands or millions of transactions. 56 bit DES is harder to break than 40 bit RC4 (SSL); you would expect that the extra sixteen bits would increase the difficulty 65536 times, but DES is faster than RC4. In software it's about 5 times faster, so breaking DES in software is about 10000 times harder than breaking 40 bit RC4 (as used in export SSL). But if the Russian Mafia or a corporation involved in industrial espionage wanted to break 56 bit DES they would not use software but would build a special purpose piece of hardware which was designed only to break DES. DES was designed to be fast in hardware, and is a relatively slow cipher in software. In 1993 Michael Wiener designed such a DES breaking machine. His estimated cost for a machine capable of breaking 56 bit DES in a 3.5 hours hours was $1,000,000. The machine was scalable, so that by spending more or less money you could reduce or increase the time taken to break the key. He estimated that building a machine to break DES in 21 minutes would cost $10,000,000. That was 10 years ago; 10 years is a long time in the computer industry. Today the machine would be much cheaper because chip technology has progressed and computers are much faster per $. Estimates are around $20,000 to build a machine to break a DES key within a day (neglecting hardware engineers consultancy fees). When you consider the sorts of uses DES is being used for by banks, ATM card PINs, wire transfers, interbank exchanges, DES is clearly out-of-date. Everyone expects that NSA, GCHQ, SCSSI have built one or more machines for $20,000+; this is considered obvious because the NSA and SCSSI allow export of 56 bit DES. $20,000 is not much money for a secret service, or for many less scrupulous individuals. Algorithms using 40 bit keys are insecure against all but trivial cracking attempts. Systems using DES (such as SET) are only secure against organisations who can't raise $20,000 and can't find people who know lots about crypto and hardware design; $20,000 is not much money for the Rusian Mafia either. Even worse, once you have built such a machine the cost of cracking each key is only a few hundreds or thousands of dollars, so any DES key protecting information of greater value is a tempting target. US export controls used to restrict exports to 40 bit RC4. When the cypherpunks broke several 40 bit RC4 systems the rules were relaxed to 56 bits. Now that a distributed internet group has broken 56 bit DES, the US government's claim that 56 bit is "good enough" is being demonstrated to be patently false. The US government's other ploy has been to allow larger key lengths, but to keep a master key to all communications for themselves. When full strength encryption systems with 128 bit symmetric keys are widely available from foreign competitors, this firstly makes no sense: why can't the US software industry export when every one has strong crypto anway. And secondly the US software industry is losing billions each year in lost sales to their european competitors. 128 bit encryption is unbreakable for all practical purposes. You will recall in the discussion above that each bit of key size doubles the work required to break a symmetric cipher. A 128 bit cipher is 4,722,366,482,869,645,213,696 times harder to break than DES. That is a very large number. Messages encrypted with such keys aren't likely to be breakable for 30-100 years from now. Similarly 1024, to 4096 bit public key systems are in use, and available outside the US. These systems are of roughly comparable hardness to break to 128 bit symmetric keys, the larger the key, the more secure. One final point: things are getting better for cryptography. The attackers job is getting harder. With each doubling of machine speed it is possible to use larger keys, and still encrypt and decrypt instantly when you have the key. When PGP was first released back in 1991, 1024 bit RSA keys were slow to use on the state of the art PC then, a lowly '286. Nowadays an entry level PC, a Pentium 133 whistles through 4096 bit keys. If we say that a P133 is 50x faster than a 20Mhz '286 you can see that the same person using encryption now can use key sizes which before were too slow. I can assure you that in moving from a 1024 bit key to a 4096 bit key, the attackers job is well in excess of 50x harder. Greatly in excess of a trillion trillion times harder.

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Re: Comparing Cryptographic Key Sizes
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Peter Trei <trei(a)process.com> writes: > Adam Back <aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk> writes. > > 56 bit DES is probably roughly similar to 512 bit RSA in hardness to > > break. > > This is way off. We used ~457,000 MIPS years to search half of the > DES keyspace. Factoring a 512 bit modulus using the General Number > Field Sieve (GNFS) would take about 28,000 MIPS years (see Schneier > for the exact number - I don't have AC2 at hand) > > Lenstra has estimated that with 500,000 MIPS years, you should be > able to factor a 600 bit modulus using GNFS, if your workstations > had enough memory. Ah yes. Well I did read your post on coderpunks where you described the results of asking Lenstra and looking for ideas for what to break next, how hard 512 bits was etc. So... 28,000 MIPs years you say... but that neglects memory. Lenstra's conclusion was that even 512 bits couldn't be done, from your post. So by that measure it is harder (due to memory overhead) than DES even though theoretically taking less MIPS with 64 mb workstations. Also he was unsure about the availability of a large enough supercomputer to reduce the final matrix. So any suggestetions of how to summarise the "hardness" of a problem when it includes memory and cpu costs in as simple terms as possible. (Bearing in mind the reader in most cases hasn't grasped the difference between public key crypto and symmetric key, and is comparing 1024 bit keys to 56 bit keys and probably thinks that it is 1024/56 times harder.) > > About 10 years ago now Michael Wiener made a design for such a DES > > breaking machine. He estimated it would cost $10,000,000 to build a > > machine which would break a 56 bit DES encrypted message a few hours. > > His machine was scalable, pay more money, break the key faster, pay > > less take longer. The estimate was that could build one with enough > > DES key searching units to break it in a day for $1,000,000. That was > > 10 years ago. 10 years is a long time in the computer industry. > > Nowadays you build the machine more cheaply as chip technology has > > progressed, and computers are much faster per $. Estimates are around > > $100,000 to build the machine (neglecting hardware engineers > > consultancy fees). > > Go back and check the numbers - if you don't the journalists will. > (I don't have this paper to hand either :-( ) The Wiener paper is > much more recent (93?) , and the cost much lower (I think it was > about $1M for HW and $500K for development costs, for a 3.5 hour > machine). I think I have his paper as a postscript file, will look. But what do you think of the extrapolation to todays prices? $100k? (Ignoring consultancy fees). Thanks for the criticisms, more please on readability and understandability to neophytes! Adam -- Have *you* exported RSA today? --> http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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Child Pornography [JPEG]
by TruthMailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This email contains child pornography encrypted with strong cryptography using the public key of a federal prisoner. It is being sent via a chain of anonymous remailers using strong cryptography to Senators, Congressmen, and Media. It is originating from a hacked account which was protected by weak encryption. What can you do about it? Nothing! You can pass legislation violating the constitutional rights of millions of citizens to safeguard their privacy and freedom of speech--laws against strong encryption--laws against using anonymity in communications--laws against citizens putting an anti-government cork in their butt-hole (Government Access to Korks--GAK) but you can't stop myself and others from routing around the damage you do to freedom and liberty. Perhaps you can use the seized computer of the federal prisoner to decrypt the enclosed child pornography but you will not be able to decrypt the stego hidden inside this message which reveals my identity. The reason for this is simple--the stego technology I am using leaves the original graphics file unchanged. It is a technology that law enforcement does not have access to. There is an inner circle within society and the government that does have access to the technology, however, and they are using it to fight government and corporate fascism. What can you do? Pass another law--pass a law which imprisons anyone who has a thought or technology which is inaccessible to the scrutiny of government agencies. "Everything not permitted is forbidden." What can you do? Take away all rights and freedoms--imprison everyone. The constitutional rights and freedoms of the citizens have been trashed under the pretext of protecting society from drugs and pornography and numerous other horsemen of the apocalypse, yet I can drive ten minutes in any direction and find drugs to purchase and I can find and send pornography freely over a variety of medium. 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Child Pornography [JPEG]
by TruthMailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This email contains child pornography encrypted with strong cryptography using the public key of a federal prisoner. It is being sent via a chain of anonymous remailers using strong cryptography to Senators, Congressmen, and Media. It is originating from a hacked account which was protected by weak encryption. What can you do about it? Nothing! You can pass legislation violating the constitutional rights of millions of citizens to safeguard their privacy and freedom of speech--laws against strong encryption--laws against using anonymity in communications--laws against citizens putting an anti-government cork in their butt-hole (Government Access to Korks--GAK) but you can't stop myself and others from routing around the damage you do to freedom and liberty. Perhaps you can use the seized computer of the federal prisoner to decrypt the enclosed child pornography but you will not be able to decrypt the stego hidden inside this message which reveals my identity. The reason for this is simple--the stego technology I am using leaves the original graphics file unchanged. It is a technology that law enforcement does not have access to. There is an inner circle within society and the government that does have access to the technology, however, and they are using it to fight government and corporate fascism. What can you do? Pass another law--pass a law which imprisons anyone who has a thought or technology which is inaccessible to the scrutiny of government agencies. "Everything not permitted is forbidden." What can you do? Take away all rights and freedoms--imprison everyone. The constitutional rights and freedoms of the citizens have been trashed under the pretext of protecting society from drugs and pornography and numerous other horsemen of the apocalypse, yet I can drive ten minutes in any direction and find drugs to purchase and I can find and send pornography freely over a variety of medium. 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[ PGP 2.6.3 ]
by bull＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Can someone give me a site where I can get a compiled copy of PGP 2.6.3?

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Dr. Netscape / Re: More about Netscape Bug finder
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lynne L. Harrison wrote: > This reminded me to ask if anyone knows if, per their statement, Netscape > intends to u/l a patch for the 3.x versions. When I checked yesterday, I > didn't see any reference to it. Why would you expect Netscape to make reference to the fact that use of their browser leaves you open to violation of your privacy and security? Corporations are not expected to show concern about keeping their customers well-informed in regard to problems that arise with their product--they are expected to pretend, as much as possible, that problems don't exist (even if it may result in disastrous consequences for the customers who foolishly trust the company to act with integrity and professionalism). Netscape software is my browser of choice. I like the product, I like the company, and I like what I know of the people involved in the company. Despite these facts, however, I recognize that reality is merely a shallow reflection of classic Hollywood movies, and "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" is currently playing at the Netscape cinema complex. You may have already seen this movie, at your own corporate cinema, so you know how the plot goes... You wake up one morning and realize that behind the glazed eyes of your formerly human co-workers, lurks the alien energy of a communal corporate soul. The company spokesperson (who has two cute kids and a dog that are always a hit at the company picnic) has turned into an alien life-form which is telling the press and public that the chemical spill near the high-school has nothing to do with the hands that are now growing out of the students' foreheads. The company president (who risked his job to support a decent employee health-plan against the investor's wishes) begins to speak about a "ten year study" to determine why 20% of the company employees develop a rare form of cancer every year. Your best friend at the company changes the subject when you mention the growing number of the company's customers who seem to have an extra ear growing on their forearm. You can tell that your best friend is looking into your eyes and trying to discern if you are one of "them." A twenty-dollar street hooker will sometimes have time to join you for coffee and a burger at the conclusion of a business transaction, but a high-priced call-girl invariably recognizes the danger of true personal contact adversely affecting future cash flow. For the same reason, the corporate legal team would rather discuss the responsibility for your failing health in a sterile boardroom, than during dinner at your house with the whole family present. It is probably in Netscape's best short-term financial interest to downplay the full implications of the "bug" in their software, as well as avoiding revealing the true reasons for this "bug" existing in the first place. However, I would much rather visit their website and see a big, red "Warning!!!" sign flashing at the top, with a pointer to full information about the nature and effect of the "bug," as well as disclosure of facts that would allow me to judge what level of trust I should use in the future in regard to the company and their products. After all, in terms of security, we can consider ourself to be "sleeping" with those whose software we use. If it appears that they are avoiding being fully honest about whether or not they are practicing "safe software" in the best interests of both themself and their "Johns," then perhaps we should think about changing our "sleeping" habits. The bottom line is that it does not reflect well on Netscape to have their customers and/or software users checking with the members of mailing lists (and the checkout clerk at the local QuickMart) to find out if there is any chance that they may be able to use Netscape's product safely in the future. I did a quick review of the Netscape documentation and found it gives no indication that users should inquire at the local QuickMart for information about problems and bug fixes for their products. TruthMonger ~.~.~.~.~.~ DISCLAIMER: I am not your hooker; you are not my John. Accordingly, the above is *NOT* illegal advice.

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17 Dec '03

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Re: White House admits censoring Chinese dissident
by Phillip M. Hallam-Baker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> The Clinton administration was in the middle of a firestorm yesterday >after officials admitted blocking a global broadcast of a Wei Jingsheng >interview for fear of annoying China. > Officials tried in vain to stop the government radio station, Voice of >America (VOA), from broadcasting the interview, but succeeded in blocking >it from Worldnet. Both are propaganda arms of the US government. For better or worse the idea is to allow the US President to promote his political agenda across the world. If the US president decides not to allow a person access to his propaganda machine thats not censorship, its an editorial decision. There is a great new history of both agencies called 'Warriors of disinformation' written by Wick's second in command. I am not opposed in principle to governments having a propaganda agency but VoA and Worldnet should be shut down completely. Unlike the BBC they have entirely failed to gain credibility, the propaganda they broadcast is as obvious and transparent as radio Moscow, and about as interesting. To appreciate the subtlty of World service propaganda you have to listen very hard. For example during a refuge crisis there is a long piece about the ex-pat Kurd communities in Australia and Toronto. The propaganda objective being to make refugees make those places their destinations of choice. CNN has made VoA entirely obsolete. The best thing the US could do would be to give them the VoA shortwave transmitters and retire. The only place where Worldnet has had a measurable impact is in the West generally and the US in particular. Worldnet spin allowed the Russian shooting down of KAL 007 over Russian Airspace to be presented as an act of unconsionable perfidy while the Vincent's shooting down of an Iranian civilian airplane in international airspace was presented as 'an unfortunate accident'. The piece de resistance of US propaganda efforts is TV Marti which costs the US millions of dollars each year to broadcast from a blimp moored in Florida. It costs Castro a few thousand dollars to jam it using cheap transmitters. Television is much easier to jam than radio, both because of the frequencies used and the need for a clear timing signal. Ironically the Cubans have said that they are quite happy to have US TV, they just can't resist an opportunity for a cheap propaganda victory of their own. The idea that Cubans can keep the Imperialist Americans at bay by being smarter is the big idea keeping Castro in power. ABC, NBC and CNN signals are quite wellcome. There is good reason to believe them since in Dresden the East German authorities errected a relay station to broadcast west german TV. They were finding it difficult to persuade people to work in Dresden which is out of range of the West German TV signal. The best propaganda a democratic government can create is that outside its control. Political change in South Africa came partly as a result of US TV shows which showed Blacks in positions of authority. The Web will effect political change through person to person interactions, on USEnet, IRC and mailing lists. I don't think it is a good idea for a democratic government to spend money propagandising to its own people. I don't think that the US has the subtlety to propagandise effectively to others. Ergo it should get out of the propaganda business entirely. Phill

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Political Prisoner of Intel
by Mike Duvos 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.rahul.net/jeffrey/ovs -- Mike Duvos $ PGP 2.6 Public Key available $ enoch(a)zipcon.com $ via Finger $

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