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Re: My messages not appearing on either of the lists?
by Sandy Sandfort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C'punks, On Thu, 6 Feb 1997, Timothy C. May wrote: > My posting seem to be going into Limbo, being sent neither to > the Cypherpunks Heaven Sandy administers nor to the flames of > the Cypherpunks Hell. At least this is how things now appear. It doesn't look familiar. I don't have any idea what happened. Can anyone tell me if they saw it on the unedited list? That's where I would have read it. S a n d y ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Re: a new idea: stocks == currency
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 18:22 12/26/95 -0800, Vladimir Z. Nuri wrote: >...An I believe that future company >stock will be considered a kind of currency issued by the company. when >you are buying and selling stocks, what you are really doing is buying >and selling currencies backed by different corporate entities. Here are some differences between stocks and currencies. I don't know how they effect your arguments, but I do invite comment: Stocks Curriences (1) Voting Most stock Based on residency inplies voting not net worth (2) Reputation availability Many stocks, Few curriencies, reputations hard to reputations well known find (3) Legal backing Based on government same (4) Dividends Commonly payed never heard of it ----------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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(no subject)
by Javier Rivera 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sandy Sandfort wrote: > > On Tue, 3 Dec 1996, Javier Rivera wrote: > > > unsuscribe cypherpunks > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > SANDY SANDFORT > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > Friend, > > It is impolite and counter-productive to spam a list asking > or demanding how to get unsubscribed. In the future, if you > do not know how to get off a list, ask ONE person on the > list for help. > > To get off Cypherpunks: > > 1) Address an e-mail message to: majordomo(a)toad.com > > 2) In the message body write: unsubscribe cypherpunks > > You will be removed soon thereafter. > > S a n d y > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Friend: Thank's for your asnswer but I already do that. The server say that I'm not in the list but I still reacive the messages. Thankx again!

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Re: Anyone considered adding crypto into Microsoft Outlook?
by Rick Osborne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:44 PM 12/3/96 -0500, Phillip M. Hallam-Baker wrote: [[It just struck me that it would probably make the most convenient platform for integrating cryptography. After all MAPI is an open, extensible API allowing ready access to the email "hooks" necessary. The integration of an address book with the email system makes it very easy to add public key information into a person's entry. ]] It's already been done with MS Exchange. I assume that this new version ("Outlook", did you call it?) is backwards compatible with Exchange plugins. Take a look at: http://homepage.interaccess.com/~jon/ [[The main problem so far seems to be the impenetrability of the MAPI documentation. Does anyone know of a usable reference or which of the gazillion Microsoft Developer network CDs one can find more information?]] Well, the MAPI SDK used to me on the MS FTP server, but I don't know where it is since they did their reorganization. Rick Osborne / osborne(a)gateway.grumman.com / Northrop Grumman Corporation ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A few memory locations short of an address space."

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No Subject
by logos 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Blanc Weber wrote: >Statements like these, with which cpunks retort to each >other all the time, are examples of the ever-continuing >exercise of logic which goes on the list - even if not >formally delineated nor announced as being of such intent >(LOGOS). > >I am glad for the points which "Sir Galahad" brought up, >because they point out the difference between essential vs >non-essential elements in arguments like this one. My warmest thanks to Blanc Weber for 'beating me to the punch' about 'Sir Galahad's' thoughtful analysis. His post is the sort of give and take which focuses debate and raises the level of intellectual discourse. Thank you, 'Sir Galahad' and Blanc Weber. I hope other posters to this list can emulate your examples. Logos out

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To Repeat: Credentials Not Considered Necessary
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 1:03 AM 11/5/95, Simon Spero wrote: >On Sat, 4 Nov 1995, Timothy C. May wrote: > >> Therefore, there are few ways that citizenship can be "checked." Period. A >> foreigner who wishes to "prove" his non-U.S. status could, of course, show >> his green card. But this is different from proving citizenship. >> > >And here we have the rub. People with permanent residency (i.e. green >cards) are fully entitled to access to strong crypto. Most foreign >students are on J-1 visas, which do not grant permanent residency. Irrelevant. J-1 persons are still accorded the basic rights of citizens, save for a few things like voting, holding certain offices, and perhaps jury duty (not sure about this, as my recent jury summons was apparently based on my Calif. Driver's License and required no form of identification whatsoever). My basic point was that "J-1," "permanent resident," "citizen," "undocumented," and "completely and totally without proper papers" are, for the purposes being discussed here, all essentially identical. Any sysadmin who expects to have papers proving "citizenship" or any other status will have a tough time. Saying "People with permanent residency (i.e. green cards) are fully entitled to access to strong crypto." and--presumably--implying that J-1 visa holders are _not_ entitled to use strong crypto within the U.S. (or, for that matter, in their own countries, but this is another issue), is misleading. The laws about "showing a foreign national" certain items do not differentiate, so far as I have seen, between various kinds of visas. In any case, sysadmins generally do not ask for any kind of ID or proof of citizenship, morality, residency, etc. (On my many computer accounts over the years, as but one example, _never_ have I have been asked for credentials of any kind. Never. Not even a driver's license, let alone a passport or birth certificate or whatever. My current Internet Service Providers, netcom.com and got.net, are blithely uncaring about the fact that I am technically a citizen of Ruritania, and am not in the U.S. legally.) --Tim May Views here are not the views of my Internet Service Provider or Government. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Credentials Without Identity
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Rich Graves makes some very good points, but he said something I want to riff on. (And as a measure of how apologetic some folks are getting about discussing anything not on Perry's List of Approved Topics, Rich unfortunately labeled his post "[ID point semi-off-topic]..." In fact, the issue of credentials and identity is NOT off-topic, not even semi-off-topic. It is central to the themes of our list. I urge all to read Chaum's seminal work on "credentials without identity.") At 1:05 AM 11/5/95, Rich Graves wrote: >Proving legal residency requires a combination of two documents, one each >from specified lists. Most commonly a driver's license, green card (which >is actually pink), or birth certificate from list A, and a social >security card from list B. > >Chris Hibbert's SSN FAQ talks a little bit about how this works, and why >it's a Good Thing. Basically, for privacy and security reasons, it is a >very good idea to separate the issues of identity and authorization. > >I don't care how securely you can authenticate who I am -- by PGP, retinal >scan, whatever. I do not want a single digitizable token to be the key to >my identity. Even if that identity cannot be forged (and everything can be >forged), it can be used to track me, by the government, by the Direct >Marketing Association, by the private investigators of certain wacky .... Chris's (or Chris') points are admirable, but getting more and more irrelevant by the day. The notion of unlinking identity and authorization by separate pieces of identification is another form of "security through obscurity." The two forms of credentials can be linked in data bases. Just because one piece of ID has citizenship or voting status and another has other stuff is meaningless, provided the ID forms can be linked. As they can, in multiple ways. The credit tracking agencies can do this trivially, with names, social security numbers, driver's license numbers, addresses, phone numbers, etc. All are pointers into the cloud of numbers that constitutes one's dossier. Happily, Chaum's work on "credentials without identity," based essentially on the kind of "blinding" used in digital cash (with some differences, of course), allows for one to display a credential showing one is old enough to enter a bar or library (in 2005), without revealing a name (which is just another credential). --Tim May Views here are not the views of my Internet Service Provider or Government. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Angel and Javier can't unsubscribe!
by Timothy C. May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:46 PM -0400 12/3/96, Angel Luis Ortiz Ruiz wrote: > > Friend: Thank's for your asnswer but I already do that. The server say >that I'm not in the list but I still reacive the messages. Thankx And then there was another message: At 6:00 PM -0400 12/3/96, Javier Rivera wrote: > Friend: Thank's for your asnswer but I already do that. The >server say that I'm not in the list but I still reacive the messages. >Thankx again! Both seemed to come from "zeen(a)caribe.net". One under the Ruiz name, the other under the Rivera name. And similar messages, both in broken English. I suggest Angel and Javier get together and decide which one of them is the name they or it subscribed under, and use that. Oh, and I have a sneaking suspicion they sent in the increasingly-canonical "unsuscribe" or "unscribe" misspelling. I'm beginning to think that Cypherpunks appeals especially to morons. --Tim May To subscribe to the Cypherpunks mailing list: -send a message to: majordomo(a)toad.com -body message of: subscribe cypherpunks To unsubscribe from the Cypherpunks mailing list: -send a message to: majordomo(a)toad.com -body message of: unsubscribe cypherpunks

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Re: [reply to anonymous] Re: rsaref
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:06 AM 12/29/95 +0100, Alex de Joode <usura(a)utopia.hacktic.nl> wrote: >to whom it may concern: > >rsaref20 is available on ftp.hacktic.nl since may 1995 in > > /pub/replay/pub/crypto/LIBS/rsaref20.zip If the RSA folks want to get picky, this may be violating their copyright, which is enforceable in Europe (unlike their patents.) There's also an RSAEURO clone of RSAREF which is available on ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto, and presumably at many other fine sites. #-- # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com, Pager/Voicemail 1-408-787-1281 # # "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance" used to mean us watching # the government, not the other way around....

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Re: speeding detected by civilians
by stewarts＠ix.netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:01 PM 7/13/95 -0700, Vladimir Z. Nuri wrote: >Vernon Hills, Illinois, a Chicago suburb, has passed legislation allowing >citizens to check out radar guns from the local police department to >catch speeders in their community. The radar guns are combined with >cameras in order to instantaneously capture the car, license number, and the >rate of speed. The citizens can check out the units for a week at a time. The >police have stated that they, at this time, will use the data to issue >warning letters to the violaters. I wonder how they'll feel if citizens start tracking the speeds of police cars and reporting them..... :-) # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, Freelance Information Architect, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com

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